Does anyone have that mentality that asking for help makes you feel like you are being way to dependent on people? So you just do everything yourself
rp-turtle3 points3y ago
Personally, no. I think that mentality shows up every now and again for blind people. In a psychology course I took during undergrad, we talked about how a lot of theories of development go through three stages. First being dependence, second being independence, and the third being interdependence. I feel like blind people usually follow that pattern upon losing sight. First they’re overly dependent on the people around them. Next, they try to be ultra independent and do literally everything on their own no matter how much harder it makes their lives. Lastly, they settle into a inter-dependent mindset where they do most things independently but rely on others for certain things. I think a similar pattern may emerge for those who were born blind but I’m not sure. I notice that most people who’ve been blind for a long time have the more inter-dependent mindset. When I ask them why they don’t force themselves to be ultra independent, they usually say they have nothing to prove lol.
I think everyone relies on others for something. I do think it’s important for blind people to maintain their independence but I think they should try to do so within reason. Maybe some people love the super independent lifestyle. If so, good for them lol. I consider myself independent but that doesn’t mean I have to do every single thing on my own. That seems silly to me. Most sighted people don’t even do that so I don’t think I should either.
CloudyBeep2 points3y ago
Kenneth Jernigan, who to my knowledge never studied psychology, characterised these stages as "fear and insecurity", "rebellious independence" and "normal independence".
vwlsmssng2 points3y ago
I can get to see these "stages" in someone in the course of one day.
rp-turtle2 points3y ago
I’ve never heard that name before but those characterizations makes sense. Like I said, those three stages are indicative of a number of developmental theories across contacts. The specific theories that managed to fall into that three stage pattern have plenty of theories specific titles for each phase. Lots of theories also further breakdown each of those three large faces in the smaller sub faces. Did that person develop those three phases from specifically looking at blind and visually impaired people?
CloudyBeep3 points3y ago
Yes. He redesigned some residential blindness training centers based on the philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind. The book Freedom For The Blind, which used to be on the NFB website but no longer seems to be available, explains his interpretation of this philosophy in more detail.
rp-turtle2 points3y ago
Oh interesting. Thank you for the information!
SirJektive2 points3y ago
Can confirm, having been born blind. I went through a viciously independent streek during my late teenage years, because I felt like I always had something to prove. I'm a lot more relaxed about things these days, now that I've matured into a stronger sense of my place in the world.
DrillInstructorJan1 points3y ago
I wish I had your zen sometimes. The difference is I wasn't born like this which seems to really changes people's thinking.
rp-turtle1 points3y ago
Noted! Thanks for your feedback too! I really only know one person who was born blind so I don’t know much about that experience.
achromatic_032 points3y ago
Living in the USA, it is hard because we have a culture of independence. However, I always think about how there are people who struggle a lot with being elderly because they can't let go of their independence, and it is so painful to watch. I think learning this skill of asking for help now is great, taking advantage of that foresight, and then we will probably handle aging better!
DrillInstructorJan2 points3y ago
Yes. What particularly sucks is when you've gone somewhere and someone has done something asshatty like forgetting you were coming even though you called them ten minutes before arriving, so you end up standing on the street in the rain or whatever desperately calling a number that nobody picks up for half an hour. Then you have to ask them for a guide to the room you're heading to and be nice as pie to them.
But yeah, in general. Every time I have to specifically ask someone for help because I can't see, I feel like I've failed, which is stupid and probably makes me a bad person, but I guess I'd rather that than drift through life in total denial.
bradley221 points3y ago
You haven’t failed.
Apps don’t always work so asking for help is sometimes your only option.
BenandGracie2 points3y ago
I went blind very early in life, and my parents taught me that I could do almost anything if I put my mind to it. I used to hate asking for help, but I have gotten better over time. I realized at one point, that I generally don't need help doing day to day things, but sometimes I need to ask someone for directions or help finding a room in a building. I don't always like it, but I have to be practical. Braille isn't available in every building, and sometimes I need to get in and out of somewhere quickly. I generally think people should try to be as indipendent as they can. Each person has to decide how much help they want for themselves.
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TheRedColorQueen [OP]2 points3y ago
I have a cataract in my right eye that I am getting surgery on in a few days. As a kid I was super independent and wanted to do something’s by myself. As soon as I needed help with something people would always say “figure it out” so I always found a way did so I got used to it and I’m afraid to ask for help sometimes because If I do they’ll just say do it yourself or figure it out on your own.
OvateWolf1 points1y ago
I definitely went through the hyper independent stage as a teenager and honestly I think I’m still wrestling with this now. Context I was born blind.
Everyone relies on other people at some point, whether they have a diagnosed disability or not.
Sometimes that reliance might not be the most healthy or consensual, so that is something to keep in mind.
However in general terms humans just need humans and the way I look at it is that blind people just might need to ask for help with slightly different things to the sighted counterparts.
Also I do suffer with anxiety and depression, and I know that if I don’t push myself to a certain extent to get out of my comfort zone and do all of the box things then there are certain situations where I don’t ask for help a lot and then the idea of help asking becomes more anxiety inducing and it needs to be.
Sometimes the way sighted people react can be offputting, for example if you ask for directions to the bathrooms and everyone flips about and makes a big deal out of the fact that like everyone else you need to pee.
When stuff like that happens I just keep in mind that it’s them who are struggling with the embarrassment or whatever, and it’s not my fault and it’s nothing I need to be ashamed or uncomfortable about.
ukifrit1 points3y ago
no. I know I won't be able to do everything, just like everyone. We all depend on others at some level.
Ant54771 points3y ago
I think that there should be no problem asking for help if you really really need it
Ant54771 points3y ago
I think that there should be no problem asking for help if you really really need it
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