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Weird question who has deaf friends who can't lip read you because your blind. (self.Blind)
submitted by Cptn_dropbear
As title say weird question to ask but as I am doing refresher course on ASL.
I am noticing when I talk with blind family members and their blind friends.
If they they went blind later in life or as teens I can 85 to 95 percent lip read.
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Born blind then I can only lip read 10 to 30 percent.
And I have noticed this when talking to random blind people i meet as well.
I am noticing when I talk with blind family members and their blind friends.
If they they went blind later in life or as teens I can 85 to 95 percent lip read.
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Born blind then I can only lip read 10 to 30 percent.
And I have noticed this when talking to random blind people i meet as well.
changeneverhappens 4 points 3y ago
Its not weird. Its likely due to part to concept development.
Early concept development is largely visual, even communication. We tend to exaggerate facial motions when showing kids how to make sounds and provide visual supports.
It doesn't surprise me at all that people who are born blind may be difficult to lip read. There are so many other concepts that infants may be behind the curve on and not all of them have access to an LSP, let alone one who knows how to work with kids with visual impairments.
Early concept development is largely visual, even communication. We tend to exaggerate facial motions when showing kids how to make sounds and provide visual supports.
It doesn't surprise me at all that people who are born blind may be difficult to lip read. There are so many other concepts that infants may be behind the curve on and not all of them have access to an LSP, let alone one who knows how to work with kids with visual impairments.
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bscross32 3 points 3y ago
It doesn't really surprise me, because deaf people I once knew had trouble lipreading me. I never really had enough vision to recognize faces or facial expressions.
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I just remember trying to find a way to communicate with the deaf kids at my school was almost impossible. I couldn't see to sign and they couldn't lipread me. The ones who had hearing aids, I could just yell louder, but otherwise, we had to use their interpreter.
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I just remember trying to find a way to communicate with the deaf kids at my school was almost impossible. I couldn't see to sign and they couldn't lipread me. The ones who had hearing aids, I could just yell louder, but otherwise, we had to use their interpreter.
FrankenGretchen 3 points 3y ago
You don't need to see to learn to sign. I had a blind friend in college who learned ASL for her teaching MA. She was my example when I discovered my hearing loss and decided to relearn and add to my long-neglected signing. You DO need a patient teacher and regular refresher, tho. It's hard to maintain accuracy without visual reinforcement. The receiving side is harder, obviously, but again, if your speaker is willing, you can use fingerspelling in hand or hand contact signing. Over time, you develop an even shorter-hand ASL as familiarity builds. I don't have anyone like that in my life, so my communication among deaf folks is limited to interpreters and my extensive curse vocabulary. (not applicable in most situations.)
I have limited vision and my mother was totally blind so very little initial facial interaction. No idea where I picked it up from as I never had anyone work with me later but my deaf friends haven't said anything about lip reading limitations. I'll have to ask. I will have something else to work on during the Q depending on what they say. I don't want them missing anything.
I have limited vision and my mother was totally blind so very little initial facial interaction. No idea where I picked it up from as I never had anyone work with me later but my deaf friends haven't said anything about lip reading limitations. I'll have to ask. I will have something else to work on during the Q depending on what they say. I don't want them missing anything.
bscross32 3 points 3y ago
Oh OK. This was before cell phones were mainstream, so no being able to text back and forth. We had these machines in school where you could take a phone receiver and set it on the machine, then you would type into it and it would send the text to the other machine. I could read that thing as the text was large enough. I had to learn though that it wasn't like a smooth scrolling thing, and if I typed too fast, they couldn't keep up.
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We had a few deaf counselors at the summer camp I went to. Again, no communication.
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The one I wanted to play air hockey with because the other blind people sucked and this one guy kept hitting the puck entirely too hard and slamming it into my hand. I tried to find a way to ask the question, and resorted to just grabbing and running with her in tow into the building and the room with the table then putting her hand on the table then stepping back and seeing what she did. That's so cringy now to think back on because of how people grab blind people and think they can just drag them about.
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The one time I could have used some actual assistance from a counselor was the time one of the deaf counselors came in the room. These other kids tried to get me in a locker. I finally did, and they did what I thought they were going to do and trapped me in, all four of them standing against it. I'm banging and screaming and this guy comes in and I can tell immediately I'm not gonna get help. He just goes to the counselor's station and gets something and leaves, and you can't see the lockers without looking around a corner, so... Luckily enough I just sort of balled myself up, then burst at the door with all my demon strength and sent them flying back against the bunks.
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Also, whoever served the food would go around and be like, OK you want this, this, this, this, etc. Then they'd put it on your plate. When the deaf counselor came around, she just blooped stuff onto the plate and went to the next table. I mean, not her fault, she can't really communicate with us, but still.
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The camp was for people with all disabilities, but I never understood why they sometimes assigned the deaf counselors to be around the blind people. There was a barrier in communication there. That's not to say deaf and blind people shouldn't comingle or try to work together, but you kind of have to solve a problem for that to happen.
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We had a few deaf counselors at the summer camp I went to. Again, no communication.
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The one I wanted to play air hockey with because the other blind people sucked and this one guy kept hitting the puck entirely too hard and slamming it into my hand. I tried to find a way to ask the question, and resorted to just grabbing and running with her in tow into the building and the room with the table then putting her hand on the table then stepping back and seeing what she did. That's so cringy now to think back on because of how people grab blind people and think they can just drag them about.
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The one time I could have used some actual assistance from a counselor was the time one of the deaf counselors came in the room. These other kids tried to get me in a locker. I finally did, and they did what I thought they were going to do and trapped me in, all four of them standing against it. I'm banging and screaming and this guy comes in and I can tell immediately I'm not gonna get help. He just goes to the counselor's station and gets something and leaves, and you can't see the lockers without looking around a corner, so... Luckily enough I just sort of balled myself up, then burst at the door with all my demon strength and sent them flying back against the bunks.
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Also, whoever served the food would go around and be like, OK you want this, this, this, this, etc. Then they'd put it on your plate. When the deaf counselor came around, she just blooped stuff onto the plate and went to the next table. I mean, not her fault, she can't really communicate with us, but still.
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The camp was for people with all disabilities, but I never understood why they sometimes assigned the deaf counselors to be around the blind people. There was a barrier in communication there. That's not to say deaf and blind people shouldn't comingle or try to work together, but you kind of have to solve a problem for that to happen.
Cptn_dropbear [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Thanks everyone thought it was just me. I thought I was either extremely rusty or forgotten everything I learned as a kid.
I have interesting family half are deaf the others blind. So it normally end up me being interpreter at family gatherings.
Doing refresher course as we have 10 year entire extended family reunion coming up that I will be flying into for.
Yes I do have distant relatives ask am I deaf or blind so my deaf uncle who has a very dry humour tells everyone I am Deaf in my left eye and blind in my right ear, it saves on why did it skip me and are my kids and grandkids blind/deaf. Or the oh your the adopted one talks.
I have interesting family half are deaf the others blind. So it normally end up me being interpreter at family gatherings.
Doing refresher course as we have 10 year entire extended family reunion coming up that I will be flying into for.
Yes I do have distant relatives ask am I deaf or blind so my deaf uncle who has a very dry humour tells everyone I am Deaf in my left eye and blind in my right ear, it saves on why did it skip me and are my kids and grandkids blind/deaf. Or the oh your the adopted one talks.
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