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For jaws uses, is there any new software out there that’s better than this product? It’s frustrating Lee complicated and expensive. Just wondering if anyone out there such as a blind engineer created something better. This is for windows. (self.Blind)
submitted by kchyde87
codeofdusk 11 points 3y ago
As in a screen reader? $1.
Alien_Chick 5 points 3y ago
Second this NVDA is my favorite and free!!
kchyde87 [OP] -1 points 3y ago
NVDA is the same as jaws no difference to advancing navigating with a screen reader in Windows. Just thought there must be other products out in the atmosphere.
IronDominion 7 points 3y ago
There’s other stuff out there, but it’s usually unstable, or is even more confusing when reading things like images and tables, and doesn’t have the support available the NVDA and Jaws do. I’ve tested Windows Eyes when it was a thing, but that’s kinda outdated now, and Supernova is behind a paywall like JAWS. Truly, (and this is slight self promotion here) you may want to actually get someone to teach you NVDA orJAWS. Depending on how you obtain it, it can be free to get training if your getting it through your state government (in the US at least, in other countries it’s different) but government programs usually require you to claim it’s for employment purposes, even if used at home. Otherwise, you can look for courses online or try and find a trainer who will teach you and charges within a reasonable price point.
kchyde87 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I’m using a database called SAP. It’s not accessible with a screen reader such as jaws.. I am a pretty good user, but this program has no instructions. And it’s frustrating to spend so much time navigating the database. Just thought there might be something out there that can help me. Thanks so much for the opinion.
hljoorbrandr 1 points 3y ago
You may want to consider a Mac then, the built in VoiceOver feature is amazing.
CloudyBeep 1 points 3y ago
Then your employer needs to pay for JAWS scripts to be created for it.
IronDominion 1 points 3y ago
Yeah. NVDA has used-made scripts for that kinda thing, but I don’t know enough to be able to say much
vwlsmssng 2 points 3y ago
$1 does offer a 30-day trial.

Training can make a big difference.
IronDominion 2 points 3y ago
Ah, good point.
autistictechgirl1990 5 points 3y ago
NVDA is what I use it’s free and takes up less resources than jaws and doesn’t have us many conflicts
guitarandbooks 3 points 3y ago
On windows, NVDA is free and is fantastic. On the Mac and iOS devices, voiceover is included with every computer/device even if you buy it second hand.
Sagar5786 3 points 3y ago
Nvda is out there which is being kept up to date the good thing is, it is open source meaning anyone can contribute towards the project, not like Jaws in most cases it is falling behind
bradley22 1 points 3y ago
As others have said; it’s not the software but the app its self.

I take it you can’t tab through the program or use the ald key to access the menus?

I’d message the company and see what they say. It’s not nvda or jaws, as for it being old; both programs are updated eatch year and nvda is free.
kchyde87 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I agree because it is a government software platform that I’m using. I don’t think he gets updated. This is my problem. Working with limited software and technology. Thanks for the opinion.
bradley22 1 points 3y ago
Can you use another databass program? There’s one program from microsoft for databases that should work fine. I can’t remember its name though.
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Talan1177 1 points 3y ago
Try windows narrator
bjayernaeiy 3 points 3y ago
From my perspective it sucks sooo bad but they might like it if they're looking for something more simple, since they disregard NVDA on grounds that it's same as JAWS.
ErtaySh 2 points 3y ago
Narrator has been receiving some decent updates lately and it is not as bad as people think it is.
bjayernaeiy 1 points 3y ago
It doesn't have screen review and document review like NVDA, there are no addons like remote control or the countless others that are very helpful along the lines of switch synth, resource monitor or speech history, etc, etc. It's not open source, you can't make your own addons, there's no easy web navigation like with NVDA or JAWS with headings, buttons, forms, edit fields, and the countless other elements that NVDA effordlessly navigates.
I'm sorry to say but it's not on that level yet. It feels awqward and clunky to use.
Superfreq2 2 points 3y ago
You make some valid points, but you are missing important information.
As the other user said, it can navigate by elements just fine either with a router style method or quick nav keys like other screen readers.
Also, scan mode is probably what your thinking of for screen review, but it also has an object nav mode and a document mode.
I encourage you to skim this manual.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22798/windows-10-complete-guide-to-narrator
ErtaySh 2 points 3y ago
There definitely is shortcuts for navigating with headings, buttons and more. Not as advanced as NVDA but still not as bad as you make it out to be. As I said, you should try the new version first before providing false information. You need to update windows to to get access to it.

To clarify, I am using NVDA myself, and would not use narrator unless I have to.
Ross2503 0 points 3y ago
Just get a Chromebook and use Chromevox, it's a great simple screen reader but it's quite unknown amongst the community I find
kchyde87 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
It’s a great idea thanks so much for exposing this software program. My problem is that I have to use a desktop computer with windows for my job. I have to use Internet Explorer and Jaws isn’t only option . Due to a secured computer as it’s a government job. I just thought maybe reaching out to the community to see what there is to suggest to my employer.
bradley22 1 points 3y ago
You have to use internet explorer in this time?

Can you explain to your employer that this software doesn’t work with jaws?

Try the microsoft databass program, it should work fine with jaws.
Ross2503 1 points 3y ago
That's a shame, yeah if you have to have downloaded software on your computer than a Chromebook isn't right at all, but if everything is cloud based through a web browser then the potential of a Chromebook is limitless really
kchyde87 [OP] 0 points 3y ago
I have tried this product and it’s still like jaws
JAWS is such a old product. Just thought in 2020 there might be something out there in the world that’s better.
bjayernaeiy 1 points 3y ago
What's your gripe with either one of them? What do you feel makes them complicated?
kchyde87 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Progression with access to Windows, that’s all. Some databases don’t have the best accessibility with scripting and coding the databases. I’m struggling to access my job due to the accessibility wasn’t thought first. Just thought there might be a program that’s more current and progressive.

Everything has updates and I just think that these navigating accessing programs need to stay up with the technology. I’m using dictation and typing this message. Sorry if I sound like I’m grumpy, I think my dictation makes me sound a bit blunt.
bjayernaeiy 7 points 3y ago
The accessibility for certain programs is not on JAWS or NVDA, it's on the programs themselves. The devs need to be aware that blind users use their software and consequently that they should improve their accessibility. Which software in particularly are you talking about?
I'm using NVDA myself and I have no problem coding. And sorry if I sound insensitive, but why do you need to voice-dictate? Aren't you able to type?
kchyde87 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
SAP Database. It takes ages to type with voice over. Especially when you’re lying in bed looking at your iPhone. Dictation so much easier. I work for the government, the accessibility is so slow with progression. Just looking for a solution to my problem.
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