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Are blind people offended by the use of “blind” to refer to someone who is closed-minded or ignorant? (self.Blind)
submitted by MajMin5
I’ve seen a post going around on Twitter of a list of ableist language, and as someone who is not afflicted with any of these conditions I suppose I may just be uneducated, but among those terms was “blind”, saying that it’s offensive to refer to someone ignorant as blind. Now, my perception of the term is that they are unable to see your point of view, which felt like an appropriate application of the term? But if this is something blind people are actually offended by, and not just someone on twitter being offended by terms that they claim are demeaning to a group they themselves are not part of, ill have to adjust my vocabulary to filter it out. I’m open to change, i just hesitate to take the word of a sighted person on what blind people are offended by and wanted to get the input of the group that would actually be offended. Please let me know if I’ve said anything offensive.
bradley22 13 points 3y ago
It doesn’t bother me at all.
vwlsmssng 12 points 3y ago
I know blind people who have great *vision* when they make plans.

They can offer critical *insight* into complex situations.

They are able to *foresee* risks and opportunities.

They are open to a range of *views*.

They can anticipate the *optics* of the situation.

Their perception in all matters is second to none.

> The reason I speak to them in parables is that ‘seeing they do not perceive, and hearing they do not listen, nor do they understand.’
SecTrono 11 points 3y ago
I would bet money that this list you speak of was written by someone without a disability. In my experience, the disabled community is pretty chill about this stuff. We are smart enough to see that this is all about context. Use whatever words you want so long as you are making an effort to be respectful and understanding.
devinprater 7 points 3y ago
Don't you love how that works? These people without disabilities have to be our hero and speak for us because the poor widdle blind people they can't speak for themselves because they have such an offliction! People should let us speak for ourselves with these "lists" of things not to do or say, and articles they write about accessibility and features for the blind and such.
Pickleweede 6 points 3y ago
I work at a majority blind company. Was talking to someone explaining something and they said "oh, I see". To which I replied (being blind also) "really? That's a first then, you blind bastard!" and we both thought it was hilarious, and wasted lots of office time laughing about it. Meanwhile, the sighted person that overheard us was absolutely horrified.
BlindAvenger 8 points 3y ago
I’m 38 years old now and I’ve been blind for almost 19 years of my life. I just wanted to put my answer in context and let everyone know that I could see at one time. With that being said, I don’t consider it to be insulting when someone uses the term in that way. I view it as someone not being able to see true facts or the entire picture. The only time I would get offended is if someone is substituting the word stupid with blind, as if someone who can’t see is somehow unable to be as intelligent as someone who can. I usually don’t find that to be the case when the word is being used in a different context though.
Nandflash 7 points 3y ago
No.
rp-turtle 6 points 3y ago
Personally, I just swap the word blind for unaware. It is surprisingly not that hard. If someone uses blind in the context you mentioned, I probably wouldn’t be very offended by it. I don’t really like what blind in that context connotes so I don’t use it myself but I also don’t police others. However, if someone uses blind to indicate stupidity, I will make some sarcastic remark or try to educate them because blind people have a long history of being portrayed as fools which is an inaccurate stereotype that the community has to deal with sometimes. I think there’s certainly some adjustments to be made regarding ableist language and blindness such as the whole using blind to indicate stupidity or foolishness stuff.

Now, compared to others on here, it sounds like I care a bit more about political correctness so take that for what you will. Also, that is to say our community is not a monolith so some blind people may be offended by your use of the word blind and some may not.
MajMin5 [OP] 4 points 3y ago
I really don’t know of the history of blindness being portrayed as foolishness, although I can imagine how as a society we would be so unaware as to believe that.
rp-turtle 3 points 3y ago
As a society, we are usually unaware of all the hidden negative stereotypes we collectively perpetuate through things such as language and the media so I totally agree.
bjayernaeiy 6 points 3y ago
Nah, people should stop shoving social issues on everyone
honestduane 5 points 3y ago
Are sighted people offended by being called "sighties"?
MajMin5 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
That would just make me giggle. It sounds funny.
xXLosingItXx 5 points 3y ago
No....like how deaf people aren’t offended by the phrase “falls on deaf ears”. It’s a play on words
MajMin5 [OP] 6 points 3y ago
So I can continue saying these people on Twitter are blind to actual ableist issues and are focusing too much on what other people are supposedly offended by?
DrillInstructorJan 10 points 3y ago
Yes. Yes you can. From me. With a baseball bat.

I have way way way bigger things to worry about. If some asshole is going to be an asshole, which in my experience is incredibly rare, trying to ban certain specific words isn't going to help. If someone's being normal, them using some specific word doesn't change their intent.

We need to concentrate on people's intended meaning, not trying to find reasons to be all pissed off. And the only people who even do that are obese, blue-haired social justice warriors.
devinprater 1 points 3y ago
Why would they choose blue?
DrillInstructorJan 2 points 3y ago
I think it's some sort of tradition. I'm not really the right person to ask, you know!
xXLosingItXx 8 points 3y ago
Yes! Those people are creating drama for the sake of it without any knowledge of the communities behind them.
MajMin5 [OP] 7 points 3y ago
Should have known they were full of it when they claimed “dumb” is ableist because it used to refer to mute people... thanks for the clarification as to what’s actually offensive.
CloudyBeep 3 points 3y ago
That's what the word "dumb" meant in the past. The meaning of "stupid" is more recent, so they're not actually incorrect. Some schools for the deaf (which teach sign language) used to be called schools for the "deaf and dumb" since some mute people also use sign language.
noaimpara 4 points 3y ago
No. I fucking hate when twitter people get offended on our behalf.
paneulo 2 points 3y ago
Wait, isn't that what Twitter is for?
Laser_Lens_4 4 points 3y ago
No, and I really wish random assholes on Twitter would stop getting offended for me.
bscross32 4 points 3y ago
We get this question a lot on this sub. Suffice it to say that no, most blind people wouldn't find this offensive.
LexieDream 4 points 3y ago
I’m not sensitive to the word “blind”. It describes my condition, and that’s just the way it is.
I wouldn’t change my habits, because you’ll always find a person who’s offended by something someone else does (intentionally or unintentionally).
CAHWY17 3 points 3y ago
Not at all, I use it myself to ease conversations and often get asked if Visually Impaired is better! I say impaired to me means ability to return to a normal state( you define that one ). I was impaired visually by the quart of Tequila I drank reading Reddit is not Blind Drunk... So no it's all what you make of it....
grinchnight14 3 points 3y ago
I just find it uncreative.
Nuno_Nuno 2 points 3y ago
This is the language thing imo. In polish, for instance we have got terms for physical blindness and mental blindness. English has no such terms, hence the thing.
AlexDalcourt 2 points 3y ago
There are more than one definition for words.
This use of blind is the metaphorical not physical
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Pickleweede 1 points 3y ago
No. Not offensive at all.
RJHand 1 points 3y ago
Don't give a fuck.
I do hate the terms ableism, and ableist, though. Just sound weird to me. Though I guess they do have there plaices..
nowwerecooking 1 points 3y ago
I’m not “afflicted” by being visually impaired so I would encourage you to stop using that word unless you’re using it in a case of a chronic illness or something. Just like hundreds of other words in the English language the word blind has multiple meanings. It can mean “blinded by love”, blind like ignorance, etc. And, it can also be the actual physical state of not being able to see. People need to stop intentionally going out of their way to find words to take out of the their vocabulary because the words might be “offensive”. It’s tedious for you, and patronizing for us. None of us are victims. This is an extreme example of political correctness and it needs to stop. Anyone can be offended by literally anything, so there’s no reason to keep doing that. Being self-aware and being open to honest discussion is enough.
devinprater 1 points 3y ago
I don't find it offensive. I call those kind of people "more blind than I am," lol.
jmosen 0 points 3y ago
First, I feel I should start with a comment on your use of the term “afflicted”. I don’t consider myself “afflicted” by being blind in the same way I don’t consider myself afflicted by being shorter than average or by being male. It’s one particular characteristic and because of the way society is constructed it can be frustrating, but it isn’t an affliction, at least, not for me.
Second, yes, every blind person is of course different but I personally do object to blindness being used as a synonym for ignorance or stupidity.
I understand why some people feel there are more important issues, but in my opinion this sort of ableist language is actually linked to those important issues. Blind people face exceptionally high unemployment, far far higher than any racial minority. Blindness is such a low-incidence characteristic, and vision is such a dominant sense when people possess it, that people genuinely don’t understand how a blind person can function, not just hold down a job but even dress themselves and use a computer.
When we allow the term “blind” to be a synonym for “stupid”, “ignorant” and “ill-informed”, we play right into those stereotypes.
So my advice to you would be simply to ask yourself when you’re going to use the word “blind”, would the sentence still work if you substituted another word like “ignorant” or “stupid”. If the answer is yes, then please use a different word.
It is true that the word “blind” has been used in this way for centuries. Even if the book of Matthew in the Bible, you will see the verse that says “when the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch”, which I find profoundly offensive. But there were also racial slurs that were acceptable for centuries as well, and thankfully we are moving on and being more inclusive. Language around disability mustn’t be in a time warp either.
SLJ7 3 points 3y ago
I wonder why this got downvoted. I thought it was very well said. While I don't personally take offense, I often wonder if this is a small piece of the overwhelmingly negative view of blindness that still persists. For God's sake, I posted about a laptop recommendation for a blind person and the only comment was "why do you need a laptop if ur blind?" This person couldn't even entertain the thought that we could use computers long enough to do basic research: I trolled him by saying we use guide dogs to transcribe our emails. Apparently it's easier to believe that than it is to believe that we'd have access to something as critically life-changing as technology. Obviously this is an extreme example, but it's not an isolated incident. At this point, I'm ready to advocate for just about anything that will bring about some change.
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