So, I was just curious, what happens to blind people that are kicked out of their parent's homes at 18? Does capitalism kill them off?(self.Blind)
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thatawkwardcosplayer4 points3y ago
I basically just went to a local community support office and asked them for help. They hooked me up with GED services, medicaid etc and made sure I had a place to stay and so on.
(I lived in south TX at that time.)
KindEar32 points3y ago
Did this happen to you?
thatawkwardcosplayer3 points3y ago
I had to leave more so due to abusive family but they were going to kick me out if I didn't get "good grades" which with no IEP was impossible. So I simply chose to exit like maybe a couple months before they forced me.
KindEar31 points3y ago
How did you find your way to the local community support office without any help? And did they provide you with all living services you need? Also, what do you work as now? Are you married? Are you fairly well-off now?
thatawkwardcosplayer3 points3y ago
I googled "help to get GED TX" and CIS (communities in school) popped up. It's a program for underprivileged and at risk students in Texas.
They helped me call and do paperwork for housing while I stayed at a (now ex friends) house for a few months.
I am getting married in Oct to my wife! :>
I would not say I'm well off. I make maybe 100 a week working retail in a mall & rent is 250 a month. It enough to make ends meet with my food card.
I'm looking into housing assistance though with the DVR (Disability Vocational Rehabilitation aka the ppl who help if you're disabled.)
MRXGray4 points3y ago
Well I'll give you two answers. First's as broad as your question. And the second's as specific as the niche of this sub ...
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Surviving any form of society, at any age, primarily depends on the person; his or her immediate environment; and available resources.
For example, as a 14-year old guy (wasn't blind yet then) with a 6-year old sibling to support after both our parents needed to suddenly vanish because of the political climate here at that time — We survived the rough, 3rd world urban city (most populous in the Philippines) with me running errands for our neighbors like groceries and bills, and re-selling things like stereos, amplifiers, musical instruments, and so on from guys in our neighborhood willing to part with their stuff for a quick fix, just to pay rent, keep the lights on sometimes, and put food on the table.
And when someone gunned me down and left me completely blind at 23 years old with a wife and 4-month old child to support — I went on to be recognized by our national government as the 2008 Most Inspiring Entrepreneur of the Philippines, five years later ...
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Now for a more specific answer.
I've met some blind people here who, at 18 years old without parents to support them, mostly end up staying with their relatives, most likely because of the close-knit extended family culture here.
But a few fought to establish themselves on their own, with or without parents.
Some of them went on to study abroad, mostly in the US and Australia, through *\[ EDITED to specify type of scholarship \]* academic scholarships, which they worked hard for, while working as masseurs and transcribers / transcriptionists ...
KindEar31 points3y ago
Dude, I am so sorry for you :((. I can't believe how someone shot you down. And it's terribly sad how capitalistic society gives no fucks about people who can't help themselves. You either can contribute to the tribe, with whatever you got, or you die. And that shits so sad. thats why I am a socialist.
MRXGray2 points3y ago
Both my parents are socialists.
And yes, we don't have similar government-sponsored welfare programs and activities here, as what they have in the West. Not even close. :(
That's why I've been building open source, do-it-yourself assistive devices for the blind, especially in developing countries, so they can increase their chances of accessing more significant opportunities, especially with our transition to the Fourth Industrial Revolution.
Depends where you live and how admin-literate you are.
I live in a welfare state kind of country (France, so still a capitalist nation in essence), since I left my parents’ house when I was 18, I’ve been getting 1004€ worth of welfare (that’s $1146 USD) every month, free public transportation, free university tuition and an appartment in Paris for 260€ ($300 USD or sum), rent and utilities included. If you try hard enough, the government will pay for some stuff for you if you deem it necessary. I got O&M classes for a year and a macbook air for university.
It’s all about knowing how to work the bureaucracy and being born in the right country.
rp-turtle1 points3y ago
“ it’s all about knowing how to work the bureaucracy and being born in the right country”
This
noaimpara1 points3y ago
Being born in the right place at the right time is the way to go. Everyone should try it. /s
rp-turtle1 points3y ago
I’m glad someone else finally gets it. /s
FamiliarEnemy2 points3y ago
You sound disingenuous, shallow and unable to embrace the suck. You come off as a spoiled little shit.
You have said multiple times in this thread that you would simply off yourself if you were in that other persons shoes.
If I were your daddy, you'd lose you're internet privileges and need to write 5 page paper on the accomplishments of blind people throughout the world over the last 100 years in order to get you're internet privledges back.
KindEar31 points3y ago
If you were my daddy, Id probably finesse you and turn the internet back on without you noticing LOL. No but in all seriousness, sorry if it offended you. I wanted to show how bad I feel for blind people. Sure there are blind famous people, but there are much more sighted famous people. If we took the proportion of all the blind people who are famous, out of the total number of blind people and compared it too the proportion of sighted people who are famous out of the total number of sighted people, you will realize that the sighted proportion is much bigger. It is because it is extremely hard to succeed and survive in capitalistic society alone if you are blind.
FamiliarEnemy1 points3y ago
There's multiple jobs available to handicapped individuals but not many have life handed to them on a silver platter. You have to wake up everyday and take on the world like any other person.
Feeling sorry for someone else does nothing to help, feeling sorry for your self accomplishes nothing.
Get on the phone and talk to people about what you need. Get on with a temp agency that can hook you up with jobs that are a fit for your abilities. Find groups to participate in of similar folks. Lean on people that are willing to help you.
Life takes perserverance and problem solving. You must embrace the suck. If you go out to the street and start screaming that you have no food, eventually someone will give you some food but you have the start scraming first.
Stop feeling sorry and do something.
KindEar31 points3y ago
Why are you telling me to do something though? You realize that Im not blind right? And sorry if that offended you. Like seriously sorry. Blind people have it so much worse off, I personally am so sorry for you guys.
FamiliarEnemy1 points3y ago
My uncle is blind. I am not. Stop feeling sorry for others and go do something to help someone else out.
Telling people that you would off your self if you were in their situation is disrespectful and does nothing other than make you look bad. Go help someone.
Danielle0822 points3y ago
Are you talking about the US?
KindEar30 points3y ago
Yeah the capitalistic shithole of US
-shacklebolt-1 points3y ago
Having read more of the comments, I'm gonna go ahead and shut this dumpster fire down.
I'm not sure why you would decide to join r/blind for the sole purpose of telling blind people you'd kill yourself if you were blind and that blindness must be so terrible.
Drunken_Idaho1 points3y ago
Well, capitalism didn't kill me. In fact, I am doing quite well. If you don't realize how patronizing and ridiculous this question is, I don't know what to tell ya. Editing this post: I see from your post history that you're 18 years old, seem to fetishize suicide and misery, and are into activisty sjw stuff. Sell your crazy some place else, believe me we're all stocked up here. We don't want your pity or your teen aged political rants. Its easy to be a communist or whatever when you have nothing to lose and no stake in the economy.
KindEar30 points3y ago
Actually, also, if you mean to pull up one of your capitalistic flexes on me, then I shall do the same. Welcome. I am an 18 year old, attending a top tech school, and majoring in software engineering. I'm pretty damn bright, and assuming I finish school and learn well, Ill become a software engineer in the Bay Area and earn 6 figures quite quickly. Im not a socialist, because I personally am being harmed by capitalism. Rather, I can see so many people are being unfairly penalized by this corrupt system, and I have empathy and can feel for them. But, if you don't then, fine. You, as a blind person, despite you being quite disabled because of your loss of vision, are expected in a capitalistic society to contribute. Contribute, or live in poverty, while barely making ends meet, or perish. So, now if you end up poor (through, no fault of your own of course, because you were blind, and thus severely limited in your capacity to contribute), I'm going to come and laugh at you and rub your capitalistic ideologies in your face, because you deserve it. You deserve to be poor, because you so strongly supported such a corrupt system, that pins people who are unfortunate down, while helping the super wealthy get even wealthier.
Drunken_Idaho1 points3y ago
Well, I certainly don't agree with your ideology, and I know no low effort post on reddit from me will ever change your mind. That said, I'm glad we live in America, where no matter how bad it is, we are both entitled to our opinions and can speak them freely. I do agree that repression is possible under capitalism, as with any system. I feel certain, though, any repression we face in our country is going to be far worse under the kind of system most of the socialists and communists I know espouse. Either way, cheers and best of luck with your schooling and career.
KindEar30 points3y ago
Rather creepy of you to stalk my profile and strawman all of my arguments. But, this is reddit, where trolls thrive.
quanin2 points3y ago
> Rather creepy of you to stalk my profile and strawman all of my arguments.
I mean, all one has to do is read this thread. You're all blindness == suicide all over the place here. *That's*, quite frankly, creepy as hell.
Just for the record, the socialists are a large part of why if you're not working, you don't matter. Find me a country where the disabled who are unable to work (note: blindness does not necessarily mean unable to work) are actually treated any better than subhuman garbage. You won't, because it doesn't exist. Medical assistance in dying is a socialist idea. And guess what? If you actually did go blind, some places like Oregon will actually $1. Just mutter some BS about how you're too much of a burden on your family or some shit. Boom, that's your problem solved. Doesn't necessarily solve it for anyone who can actually function as a blind person, mind, but socialists don't actually give a damn about that.
Well, if you are a hardcore capitalist, then sorry, but I probably will be making more money then you lol. Check out my reply down below. I dont believe in pure communism, because that would crash society, but I think a communistic safety net should be available when people need it.
quanin1 points3y ago
> Well, if you are a hardcore capitalist, then sorry, but I probably will be making more money then you lol.
That's assuming we're not working in the same or related fields. given your intention to go into software development, I've got bad news for you. We are. But to answer your question/correct your false assumption, I hate labels, personally. There are good socialist ideas, and there are good capitalist ideas. Capitalism isn't currently advocating for my death, so at the moment, they're a little bit higher on my priority list. That being said, if the socialists put nearly as much effort into strengthening the safety net for when the capitalists decide not to hire me as they do into trying to kill me, that might change. But at the moment, capitalism is putting food on my table. The social safety net is not. And if the capitalist currently paying me decides to change his mind, I will, to put it politely, be fucked. Given the choice between the system that would rather I starve and the system that wants to execute me outright for the crime of being disabled, I'll vote for the former every day of the week. there's at least a chance I can do something under that system.
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mantolwen0 points3y ago
Well your question is rather loaded. But I'll try and answer. First, it's not "capitalism" that kills people off. Capitalism, and socialism, dont kill people. They are economic systems. And there is no "pure" capitalist or socialist system in action anywhere in the world, even if it sometimes feels like that.
Most countries have some sort of organisation to support those who are struggling in society. Call it socialist or whatever, when people need help they have something to reach out to. And there are charities that are also available for support. How well these support systems work is another matter for discussion elsewhere. Usually the government will provide housing or financial support if needed.
There is nothing inherent in a "capitalist" system that prevents support services from existing. Your economy can be designed around buying and selling goods and services, but that doesn't mean that you couldnt have a welfare state or free healthcare. We also have charities funded both privately and through government donations that would offer support that might be done through the government directly in other countries.
Personally, I prefer a less socialist system as governments are notoriously bad at running things anyway, so expanding their remit just gives them more things to run badly. You could also end up with the situation which the UK was in during the 70s, where many people were employed to do nothing, and the government was struggling to afford anything because the companies they owned werent able to make any money. In a capitalist system, companies are actively seeking to make a profit, to pay their staff and shareholders, to make better and more interesting things. And yes, profit is the motivation, but it encourages development and discovery too. The vast majority of business owners arent Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. They are running small businesses with a handful of staff. They dont make a lot of money. They just had an idea and want to make it work.
KindEar30 points3y ago
You still never answered my question. you just went off and ranted on the differences between capitalism and communism, and pointed out on how you prefer free market capitalism, over communism, where people who contribute to the tribe with what they have live and propagate; rest die (And yes, they do die. Tell me how your supposed to live without an income as a blind person.)
mantolwen1 points3y ago
Sorry if it came across as a rant. That wasn't intentional. I would say that in a society with no government or charitable support system, where human beings dont care about other human beings and people only care about getting themselves money, then everyone with no income dies. But that society doesn't exist. Because humans care about other humans. A modern capitalist society is one where people who make money are able to support charities and pay taxes to help support those who need it.
Rokwind0 points3y ago
blind man here:
I wasn't kicked out at 18 but I left for college 6 days after i graduated HS. I was still pretty mad at my folks for sending me to a blind private school for a few years. So when I got accepted into University I left just as quickly as possible. Helicopter parents are what I was cursed with and I love my independence. I have not done well in the real world, i live off of SSI a grand 733 dollars a month. I refuse to be that blind guy whoms mother takes care of them. I refuse to walk others paths and I refuse to live under any others rules under the roof of the house i live in.
has it been diffucult? hell fucking yes its like playing the game of life on legendary mode. Do i regret leaving my parents welcoming embrace? Hell the fuck no, helicopter parents are the worst type for the blind. blind people have to be independent because we either have it or not. There is no middle ground, at least for me.
so I got my BS degree and then have not found a job thats worth the effort. trust me, blind people have to put like 200 percent more effort into everything. Do you even know how much concentration it takes for me to fill up my coffee cup without spilling a drop?
Rokwind1 points3y ago
it is tough and i admit in those first few weeks my thoughts went to dark places. My parents didn't understand but I am lucky to have a large and diverse group of friends that each helped in their own ways. I keep going because I refuse to die there are so many stories I have yet to hear. I wish I had more money because then I could afford an uber from time to time but I am not homeless and starving. So its a win in my book.
bonus my hermit life since the surgery has prepared me mentally for covid lockdown. now i help my friends by teaching them how to handle boredom. lolz
Rokwind1 points3y ago
I afforded college through my parents helping a bit, scholarships and Fafsa as well as DBS. I basically had to work the bureaucracy like a madman. I did have some vision when i went to college but as a graduation gift I went for surgery to fix my blindness. Well you know when they say there is a chance it wont work and a smaller chance that it will get worse? Well i am the luckiest son of a bitch because I hit the smallest chance possible and not only did my vision go almost compleatly but i got the best gift ever, charlse bonnett syndrome. I basically hallucinate 24-7 even when i close my eyes. I no longer know what darkness is because of all the floating abstract shapes that always seem to get my attention. sleeping has been a pain in the ass.
i got my degree in public relations. and use it to do stand up comedy. I also dont work because i have severe insomnia, cronic migranes and occasionally i suffer from sea-sickness while walking. Funny thing is that I could drive a boat and went scuba diving many times and never got sea-sick even on the roughest of seas. lol life is funny that way huh
I live by comedy and find the brightest part of everything.
KindEar3-1 points3y ago
Im so sorry for everything man. Im at a total loss of words, honestly. If I were in your place, i don't even know if I would have the courage to continue living.
KindEar3-1 points3y ago
Wait, so how were you able to afford college on your own? And dude, i feel so bad for you. I personally know what helicopter parents feel like, and i'm not blind, and I know I would die on the streets if I was kicked out at 18 (I am 18 here). I can only imagine how bad it must be for you. What was your college degree in and what do you work as? Yeah, man I really feel so bad for you. I wish blind people were never born, this really sucks man. going blind is my worst nightmare. As much as it would suck on an everyday basis, I feel like the inhumane, immoral, capitalistic fuck that America is, would basically destroy me and evolution by natural selection would weed me out.
ybs900120 points3y ago
It actually depends on the person, if a blind person is more streetwise then they will have a higher chance of surviving on their own but the biggest problem they will face is getting a job as employers don't feel comfortable hiring blind people. Personally I would say that most people would be ok but the biggest hurdle they'll face is getting a job.
In developed countries such as the UK the government may provide free accommodation however most of these properties are in a terrible condition.
I hope this answers your question and if you want to know anything else then feel free to ask.
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