Blind college student here! Honestly, I have been trying to work out how to make all of my documents accessible. Vocational rehab won’t help me and there’s not much that my professors can do. I’m having so much trouble that I honestly don’t want to do college after all(self.Blind)
submitted by Shyanneabriana
So I am trying to use a laptop with nvda to read math equations. Only trouble is, I am a very physical learner which means that feeling the braille makes me remember things more. So I am trying to use a braille note in combination with a laptop in order to do my work. But what’s happening is both the braille device and the laptop are unable to read fractions or graphs which leaves me with a hole because neither of my devices work. Honestly, I’m thinking about just giving up because it’s it’s a struggle already and I haven’t even started yet and I’m just tired of dealing with this shit.
Literally my whole entire life has been one fight after the next for the simplest of things. I’m hoping somebody has some positivity because I sure can’t find any.$1
CloudyBeep16 points2y ago
Why aren't you asking for hardcopy braille or for BRF files if that's what you need? Accessible documents are not an unreasonable request, and if your school is refusing to help you, you need to apply some legal pressure.
Shyanneabriana [OP]12 points2y ago
I tried to ask for braille copies but they said that they didn’t have the ability to do that. And nobody knows what BRF files are. I’ve been having to educate everyone about everything. So done! This isn’t the first time that people have advised me to take legal action. In high school, I actually failed a math class twice because the school district didn’t provide me with the right materials. It’s been a constant struggle
carolineecouture13 points2y ago
This not only wrong it's not legal.
tangela193 points2y ago
this is going to sound crazy, but I am 100 percent serious. First, at absolute minimum, you need to check with a college before you go there to make sure they have a robust disability service department, and ideally that they have some experience with blind people. This is not just ideal, it is something that should be as high a priority as their general accreditation. My second thought is perhaps more radical- you should consider moving, at least for the durration of your college, to a place where blind people are more common. Support from other blind people kept me in college a good year longer than I otherwise would have been. They provide sources of support, venting, and just general, not feeling like the only one with your needs. But genuinely, even if there are no blind people there currently, a disability department should be accustomed to providing you with the resources you need, mediating between you and your professors, and generally being a resource. The needs you have are not crazy, they absolutely are needs which can be accommodated and if that college can't manage it, then you need to withdraw whatever financial support they are getting from you, because you are, or someone, is paying them to help you, and if they aren't doing that, you need to find another place that will. Inform them, politely but firmly of this and take your time and money elsewhere. ,
GoobKit50008 points2y ago
Have you heard of Learning Ally? They have a college success program that you can sign up for and gain a mentor with low vision that has already finished college. If you are having trouble navigating disability resources on your own they are great at coaching you through it and providing alternatives. I am a current college student with low vision and have found my mentor to be incredibly helpful. Here is a link: https://learningally.org/College-Success/Join
Shyanneabriana [OP]3 points2y ago
Thanks that is very helpful
GoobKit50002 points2y ago
Glad I can help! it’s a tough time right now and I hope you get the support you need. Don’t give up either!! You got this!! If you have any further questions don’t hesitate to reply or message me.
Versaill5 points2y ago
What is the format the files are in? Is it PDF or something else?
Shyanneabriana [OP]3 points2y ago
Microsoft word. The fractions are coming up as images the graphs are nonexistent. My screen reader just keeps saying embedded object. And then, if the fractions are there because they are in some files, they are missing the slash mark. It is so case-by-case.
Versaill2 points2y ago
Could you post an example document with those issues? Here or private message. If those are embedded dynamic math formulas in Microsoft Office, it should be possible to make NVDA read them.
carolineecouture4 points2y ago
Are you in college here in the US? Your school should have disability services for you. I know this is hard especially with covid but please don't give up.
Shyanneabriana [OP]4 points2y ago
Thanks I appreciate it Yeah, I’m going to school here in the US but it is a very small college. The disability resource center doesn’t really know anything about blindness. I have to tell them everything. Coronavirus has really messed everything up for me as I probably would have done a little bit better if I could have went to the campus in person.
ryan51614 points2y ago
Realistically, you need to tell your Disability resource center to buckle up and figure it out, or press charges. This is illegal as all fuck, and they are REQUIRED to provide these services for you, no matter how small they are.
Shyanneabriana [OP]2 points2y ago
Yeah it’s just hard when it’s been happening for so long!
gumbygirly10 points2y ago
Hey - I work in IT at a US University as an Accessibility Specialist. My job title and classification do not fall under SDS, but my role is to help the university be accessible in every way. The people in student disability services even at my larger school are clueless about accessible documents - you need to write an email explaining your situation and the barriers and email it to a group of people. That group should include someone IT who handles academic computing, the director of disability services, the university’s general counsel, someone from the Equal Opportunity & Regulatory Compliance office, and your academic advisor. All of this should be available of their website, but I’m betting their site isn’t accessible for a screen reader. If you want to send me a private message, I am more than happy to help.
Revenant6247 points2y ago
Contact the national Federation of the blind. See what they can do for you. Don’t give up on college don’t let this obstacle beat you
RJHand2 points2y ago
Tuns of people here have already recommended a bunch of good stuff. However one thing you may be able to try also is asciimath, which NVDA should read in word. Bit of a learning curv to it, though. Plus if you prefer braille for math it may not translate well to that format, but its an option for speech anyway. Just google asciimath to have the symbols listing come up, its all over the web as far as how to do it correctly. Its essentially another way of writing out equations, different symbols for divide, multiply etc.
BlindPolyglot1 points2y ago
I actually work for a university and help with accessibility and digital accessibility for the blind. If you would ever like to private message me and talk, maybe we could find a way that we could speak and I could help you a little bit more directly. I would be happy to try!
BooksDogsMaps1 points2y ago
This sucks. Do you know what the formulas were originally written in? Often times the source is LaTeX and as so I use the source code to display the equations in an accessible way for blind students. I would encourage you to ask your professor and the publisher of the used textbook(s) for that. I can‘t promise it will work, but if OCR and stuff don‘t work... Talking more long-term you should get informed about your rights, because I‘m rather sure this lack of assistance is not legal.
I‘m a legally blind uni student myself and also work in the intersection of course development and e-accessibility, so I can kinda double-confirm how much of a pain educating lecturers can be. Feel free to contact me if I can further help you.
Shyanneabriana [OP]1 points2y ago
Thanks No, I’m not sure what software my worksheets are in. I appreciate your information!
BooksDogsMaps1 points2y ago
Can you share one with me? I‘m relatively optimistic that if NVDA can read it, I can figure it out and tell you the trick.
YerpTerp111 points2y ago
What degree are you pursuing? Is it even practical? I mean, I'm a Bio grad that's jobless
jasondbk1 points2y ago
All I can say is stick with it. Ask or demand what you need.
The small college I went to told me that if I could show them I bought a text book (even the cheapest most damaged copy I could find) the school could get an electronic version from the publisher. Keep on it, the worst thing is to look back and have regrets. I went back to college at 40. My only “failure” was scuba diving.
Good luck and keep fighting
OneFishTwoFish1 points2y ago
I'm sorry you're having such a frustrating experience. College is a big transition for anyone, even without the obstacles you're facing. I hope you find a way to stick it out and enjoy the good parts of the college experience. I'm not visually impaired, and my visually impaired friend is past school age, so I don't have any proven answers but I do have some ideas.
I can't view your sample document, but it sounds like you're dealing with an Algebra or Calculus class. Since you have access to electronic versions of the document it may be possible to convert them to BRF format. There are a number of options, such as https://onlineconvertfree.com/convert/brf/. I haven't used them, so i don't know which ones are good or how well they'd handle fractions and graphs.
Optical character recognition (OCR) software may be useful to convert the documents that contain images of equations into documents with text equations.
You may want to ask your question in /r/AskEngineers. Accessibility questions have come up there a number of times, and Engineers like solving problems.
And finally, there is at least one college level Calculus course that is designed for blind students. It may point to resources your professors could use in your classes, or it may be something you could take as Independent Study to meet your math requirements.
Here is the link to and a brief excerpt from "A Graphical Calculus Course for Blind Students."
For blind students seeking education and a career in science, engineering and mathematics, the calculus has presented a formidable barrier. This is not simply due to the intrinsic difficulty of the subject, which is obstacle enough for most students. The additional hurdle for blind students is the substantial graphical component of the typical calculus course. There are two major aspects of that graphical component: primarily, there is the representation of geometrical objects, especially the graphs of functions; then, there is the presentation of mathematical formulas as a graphic display.
Under a grant from the National Science Foundation, the Computer Science Department (CSD) of the College of Staten Island and the Computer Center for the Visually Impaired (CCVI) of Baruch College are developing text materials and providing an environment to offer blind and visually impaired students technologically assisted access to the graphical content of the calculus. The goal of the project is to equal or exceed the quality of courses for students with unimpaired vision. We are installing facilities for reading mathematical text and graphics directly without the help of sighted readers. It is only quite recently that any such technology has become practical and affordable for institutions. We can expect that it will become so for individuals before long.
We wish to bring such a course into being for the students who need it right now. For that reason, we are trying to base our system, insofar as possible, on "off-the-shelf" technology and courseware, rather than try to invent much of it.
Shyanneabriana [OP]3 points2y ago
Thank you so much for all your help!
OneFishTwoFish1 points2y ago
You're welcome. If nothing else, the "A Graphical Calculus Course for Blind Students" program shows that it took two colleges and a grant from the National Science Foundation to come up with a good calc course for blind students. You shouldn't feel bad if it's difficult for you to do the same thing while you're taking the class.
Here's a couple more resources for teaching and learning math from a visually impaired standpoint. The site seems a little outdated but has good accessibility features.
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