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What are some weird things sighted strangers have said to you? (self.Blind)
submitted by strangehoney
I'm an O&M instructor working with kids. None of my training ever prepared me for the weird things strangers say when we are out practicing cane skills. To give some examples...

- Wanting to pray over or for the student, hoping God can heal them? Or just feeling moved to talk about religion.
- Expressing that they are SO impressed and what an inspiration this child is. Or even worse, how sad it is that they are blind.
- Asking personal questions about their condition.
- Sharing personal stories about their blind mother, grandpa, friend, whatever.
- Offering unsolicited help (that's nothing new or shocking, though)
- Talking about them to me, as if the student can't hear or understand, while they stand right next to me.

I want to develop an advocacy training so I can better prepare my students to deal with these interactions in way that they feel they can dismiss these comments without being rude or pretending not to hear them. Or if they are wanting to, educate these usually well meaning, but ignorant, strangers that their preconceptions about blindness are wrong.

In doing so I am curious as to what weird things you have had said to you simply because you are traveling with a cane? I'm thinking the young age of some of my students and how adorable many of them are, may be part of the reason folks just can't help themselves. But please tell me if I'm wrong.
TK_Sleepytime 10 points 2y ago
My whole life, the two most common reactions from strangers have been:

1. Talking really slow like my blindness makes me intellectually challenged.

2. TALKING REALLY LOUD LIKE BEING BLIND MUST ALSO MEAN I'M DEAF.

Sometimes these two are combined.
strangehoney [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Thank you for reminding me of this one. You're right it is far more common and equally as cringey as the unsolicited comments.
without_nap 7 points 2y ago
Also, people saying "you're an inspiration." I don't want to be an inspiration, I just want to knock around and do my thing without being stared at.
Floweress 2 points 2y ago
I'm sighted, but I roll my eyes whenever I see a video about a blind person doing something and all the comments are "this made me cry" etc, it seems so patronizing!
without_nap 1 points 2y ago
it totally is. the worst for me are videos that are like "this sighted person was nice to this blind person!" and all the commenters are like "this gives me hope for humanity!"

like that video a few months ago where the restaurant worker gave the blind people a decent table and checked on them during the meal to see if they needed anything. and someone taped it. :/
grinchnight14 1 points 2y ago
That sounds like a Dhar Man title lol.
BenandGracie 6 points 2y ago
When I was in college, I had a man approach me and tell me how he had a blind girl in his church, and how she could sing so well. He then proceeded to ask me if I played an instrument; I told him I don't play any, and he seemed surprised. He walked away before I could tell him that not all blind people play instruments, or sing.

I also got kissed on the cheak and blessed by a nun. It happened right out of nowhere, so I thanked her and moved on.

I don't really have a problem with the praying thing; people can pray for me if they want. I don't like it when someone stops me in the street to pray over me. I have only ever had that happen once, and the person was so nice, I really couldn't be mad at them.
strangehoney [OP] 2 points 2y ago
I agree, as far as I know it's not wrong to pray for someone without permission. I wonder what the person gets out of announcing the act of doing so. The nun would have shocked me! What can a person even say to that except thank you lol Hopefully you were somewhere a person would expect to encounter a nun and not just waiting for a bus or something!
ukifrit 1 points 2y ago
once a stranger told me I should play the piano because it fits blind people well. I mean, I do like music and singing and I sometimes bring instruments to the campus to play with my friends but that was weird. The guy was really sad I don't like the piano.
oncenightvaler 6 points 2y ago
I've received all the items on your list. My parents taught me to treat all these questions and times as times to try making a new friend and advocating all about my disability.

Sometimes what has happened is I have passed parents with their children and the children are asking their parents what the funny stick is and so I come up and introduce myself to the parent and kid and talk to them. Or I've been reading my Braille and have had parents explaining how "he reads with his fingers he feels the words" and talk to the parent and kid about learning Braille and how long it took me to emphasize the importance of learning.
strangehoney [OP] 3 points 2y ago
That is awesome on your parents for teaching you to not be afraid to address comments like that and especially on you for looking out for opportunities to engage and advocate. It ain't easy but it's honest work you're doing.
without_nap 5 points 2y ago
Had a very enthusiastic high school student pop out in front of me at the mall and ask if he could pray for me. Totally ruined my day, because it was a fun trip up til that point and I'd even forgotten I had the cane out.

The other problem, though, was telling my sighted friends about it, especially the Christian ones. They didn't understand why it was a problem. Someone actually said, "But what if it works?", like praying would somehow fix my eyesight.
coarsing_batch 1 points 2y ago
Christians lack all logic. Look at it this way. If God is supposed to make no mistakes, and God made me blind, what makes you think that praying over me is going to fix that? Wouldn’t that be not a mistake since God never makes those?
FantasticGlove 1 points 2y ago
Come on now, you are generalizing. I worship God and I'm blind. Do I lack logic as well?
coarsing_batch 1 points 2y ago
Do you tell people that you were going to pray to get them their site back? If so, yes you do. If not, you can choose what you wanna believe. Just don’t tell me that you want to get God to bring my vision back when he made me blind in the first place.
FantasticGlove 1 points 2y ago
Lol. Why would I do that when I'm totally blind myself?
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS 5 points 2y ago
I have some vision, although I'm legally blind, so for me it's "just how well do you see?" They want me to explain my condition in detail to satisfy their idle curiosity. I used to try to answer them, thinking I was helping educate people, but not anymore. After the million billionth time, I'm very sick of the question, although I still try to be kind. I tell them it's difficult to explain. Or rarely, if I want to embarrass them, I tell them it's too personal a question. I only talk about my vision with close friends and small children. Small children deserve to be answered.

So take it from me, if someone asks you, how well do you see, just tell them it's too difficult to explain.
strangehoney [OP] 2 points 2y ago
This is really helpful knowing you have tried to explain and found it exhausting more than anything. I'm kind of scheming business cards with QR codes that can bring people to a site with good info on the general questions as a solution. I see how people get tired of constantly explaining how they use the computer here on reddit. Maybe I can link people to the facts already out there in real life too lol
ryan516 4 points 2y ago
I’m a full-time bioptic user. Everyone thinks it’s a camera, and I get constantly harassed to stop filming them. It’s minor but annoying lol
strangehoney [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Lol jeeze, I hope they brace themselves for Google Glass if it ever becomes a thing. Not like we aren't all holding up our phones everywhere we go that have cameras on the back or anything already haha
BooksDogsMaps 4 points 2y ago
Yeah, pretty much what you named already. Another thing I get all the time is „I could never live/do xyz like this.“ I know what they are trying to say, but it shows that they think being blind is quite horrible and requires a special braveness to deal with. I try to patiently explain that one adapts, because you don‘t have a choice. Sometimes I would love to reply something like „I‘m secretly a superhero, that‘s how I manage. But pssst - don‘t tell anyone!“
strangehoney [OP] 2 points 2y ago
I love the idea of using humor to shut down the "amazement" in a friendly way. I think that's a good approach for kids too! I will brace them for Dare Devil references lol
ikilledthepromkween 3 points 2y ago
My boyfriend is blind and I’m sighted. One time when my boyfriend came to visit me (he’s American and I’m Malaysian living in Malaysia), we went to have dinner and the waiter legit asked ME what my boyfriend wanted to eat and drink. I told the waiter to direct his question to my boyfriend instead. The waiter looked puzzled but he asked my boyfriend anyway.
CloudyBeep 1 points 2y ago
That happens regularly in the Western world.
ukifrit 2 points 2y ago
you listed most of the shit people tell me. Another quite common is when an abled sees me doing something and says "oh I could never do that even I'm normal / my eyes are perfect / I'm perfect / if you can do that there's no excuse not to do". I mean, what the heck?
Cecil_Hersch 2 points 2y ago
I have had friends in college who tried to convince me over to join their church/religion by saying that God can heal anything and that by joining, I will be healed. I dun believe any of this because to me, it feels like they are taking advantage of my eye conditions to recruit me into a new religion.
blindbat84 2 points 2y ago
In a store once I had someone completely mix up blindness with deafness. Apparently this woman kept signing at me, I am totally blind mind you, explaining how she is an interpreter for the visually impaired in the court system. Had a great laugh at this with mom in the car when we left. It also made me seriously question the woman's intelligence and how she could mix up the two so badly..:
je97 2 points 2y ago
This isn't an answer, but I just want to say something I think is really important.

If the person asking questions is a little kid, please don't shush that kid for being rude or prying, they're being curious and it might actually lead to that kid having more understanding later on in life. You'd also be taking away the blind persons autonomy by shielding them from that question.

The way to deal with people asking you questions (rather than the blind person) is to be stupid...like really stupid. I'm talking 'why is this guy allowed out' stupid. You have no idea what your client might possibly want, as for how x affects your client that's beyond you. To give an example, I make a point of not telling whoever I'm with what I want to order at a restaurant, so if the wait staff ask them instead of me they've no clue.
DrillInstructorJan 2 points 2y ago
Someone once said to me, "god only chooses special people to be blind."

I laughed.
grinchnight14 1 points 2y ago
I must be special then
ABlindManPlays 2 points 2y ago
I'm heavyset. About 2/3rds of the people would say, "Did you go blind because of your diabetes?"


I did not have diabetes.
CloudyBeep 2 points 2y ago
"Why don't you have a dog? You should get a dog. Your family mustn't like you for them not to pay for a dog."

"When you grow up, you should be a musician or a singer because lots of blind people do that and you'll get rich."
Real_Space_Captain 2 points 2y ago
Most annoying but common: “have you tried glasses or contacts? Or I think you’re better with glasses on.”

Weirdest thing said from someone I knew: “I started learning sign language so we can keep talking.”

In fairness, I was using ASL at work every day so she may of just gotten confused.
strangehoney [OP] 1 points 2y ago
The ASL comment made me laugh out loud, mostly the "so we can keep talking" part. Though the glasses one is pretty rich too. Imagine being like, "wow you're right, glasses is totally what I've been missing all along"
Shyanneabriana 2 points 2y ago
I haven’t really felt at risk but it’s a fruitless task if you ask me. Sometimes you will have a good conversations with people but mostly they just think it’s amazing that you’re out of a dark room doing something.
I agree 100% with what you said.
I just gently tell them all the stuff that I have done with my life and watch their way of talking to me completely change. For example, I told them I was in college one Time and the guy I was talking to was completely flabbergasted. He actually talked to me like a regular person after that.
It all really depends on the situation and how willing the other person is to learn.
grinchnight14 1 points 2y ago
That first one was me too.

This older woman said that "that deafect you have, God can heal that if you believe hard enough"

I just said "don't talk to me"
JMMSpartan91 1 points 2y ago
Falls into advice but I get random food or vitamin recommendations to improve my vision. This one happens probably the most for some reason.
Shyanneabriana 1 points 2y ago
Firstly, as a blind person, thank you so much for acknowledging with these questions are annoying and sometimes rather personal and rude.
Secondly, I don’t think it is a problem only limited to small children. I am 19 and live on my own and I still get questions like that and comments.
I get told that I am an inspiration a lot which makes me uncomfortable as I don’t think I am necessarily inspiring and it’s just awkward for me. I mean, I’ll be Rolling my groceries in the cart onto the bus and somebody will go “ wow, so inspiring!” It is so uncomfortable!
Honestly, for harmless questions like that or comments the best thing to do is just to say thanks and walk away as quickly as possible without seeming to be rude.
As for people wanting to pray over the student, just say that prayer isn’t necessary and that they are on a lesson and are learning how to deal with their disability so that is intrusive to their learning environment.
Also, encourage your students to educate the passerby if they just won’t leave them alone.
The best strategy for non-harmful interactions is just to not along and walk away.
strangehoney [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Totally, thanks so much for sharing your experience and insight. I'm sorry you have to have these experiences even as an adult. For someone to say, "wow that is so impressive you're living your day to day life" is a low key way of saying "my expectations for blind people are so low that I am shocked seeing you out here being a person"... To say that a blind person needs prayer or healing is to imply the need to be "fixed" when really, the disability has shaped the person, they are whole, they don't need to be any other way or have sight to be valid. Also less menacing things like going on about a blind relative is not mean but how awkward would it be to go up to a black person and be like, "My best friend in highschool was black" implying that relationship makes you know this other black person's life more intimately.

I totally agree, saying things like, "I'm on a lesson I can't talk right now" or "I have to focus on my route" or just ignoring them is the best way to stay safe and move on with life. I want my students (or myself) to learn to shut these people down and make them think about what their words are really saying. Of course in a way that is respectful and won't put them in any dangerous situations. Do you ever worry that challenging what people say could put you at risk? I have never tried to do so with confidence because I agree, I want them to just go away instead of getting defensive or weirder. But I also hate that they might think that they have done a kind deed through the interaction instead of what they are really doing which is reinforcing their own perceptions and being awkward lol
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DYMongoose -4 points 2y ago
Wow, you've convinced me that I shouldn't talk to blind people I'm not related to or already good friends with. I never knew that having a natural ice breaker was so offensive!
CloudyBeep 2 points 2y ago
It's perfectly fine to talk to us, but please just say hello and ask us if we need help. Don't assume that we want to be prayed for or cured, don't grab us or our cane or guide dog, and don't tell us that you find us inspirational. Here's why it's bad for you to see us as inspirational: https://www.ted.com/talks/stella_young_i_m_not_your_inspiration_thank_you_very_much/transcript?language=en
dysconfigurated 1 points 2y ago
It’s not that you should avoid talking to blind people you don’t know. However, you should be careful about the manner in which you address the person. Do not make assumptions or ask overly personal questions that you wouldn’t ask any sighted stranger. The other day I was on the sidewalk walking competently forward. A woman came up beside me, walking in the same direction, and asked if I was ok. This created a very temporary dilemma for me. I could tell that if I answered in the affirmative, it wasn’t going to be the end of the conversation. I don’t know quite how to explain it but I could tell. I live in a very urban area with a lot of pedestrians. Sometimes we just have to ignore people. Homeless people, people in general. Not all communications are desire. She then asked me if I was ok again in a much louder and more forward way. You have to understand that there was no reason for her to ask the question. I was walking along at a fairly fast pace in an area free of any major obstacles or anything except for one. There was an entrance to a parking garage just ahead. In distraction while trying to respond to her, I did not hear a car exiting the parking structure. Consequently, the car ran over my cane and broke it. The vehicle stopped while one of the tires was still on my cane. The driver, another bystander, and the woman who had asked me the original question were still around. When the driver and the other person started to ask me questions, the original woman told them she thought I was deaf. I told them all I was not deaf. The driver dispassionately backed the vehicle sufficiently for me to remove my broken cane from under the tire and departed. I then turned back and began the painful walk home with a broken cane tip. I do not think anyone really understood that I was going to have a very difficult time traveling with the cane in that condition. The only point I am trying to make is that interactions can be interesting and turn out in ways we might not anticipate. I went from a simple quandary about how to respond to a question about whether I was ok to a broken cane. I will never know if the distraction contributed to my failure to hear the vehicle. I believe it did. In the current state of things, I am a lot less forgiving of idiots I encounter in public who are trying to be helpful and failing miserably. I do not want people needlessly violating my personal space for no good reason when it is obvious I don’t need them to grab and shove me in a direction I likely am not trying to travel. So, unfortunately, I am not always as able to be as polite as some people might recommend. I do not thank people effusively for doing something stupid. If I tell someone once or twice that I do not need them to do something, I expect them to understand and if they don’t, I tend to get a little more blunt and demand that they try to understand my position. Sometimes it works.. Last week, I was intentionally walking directly toward a wooden construction barrier that I intended to move around at the appropriate time. My judgment of appropriateness was apparently not equivalent to that guy running to save me from behind. I am not even going to try to describe the interaction except to say that it was as if the world was literally coming to an end. I attempted to tell him to stop but it just didn’t work. I attempted to explain that I wanted to contact the construction barrier with my cane so that I could make a very precise determination about how to circumvent it. None of it did any good. He stubbornly insisted on putting his arm around me and physically trying to push me into the street and around the barrier. I did not tolerate it. While I understand why people might not have enough knowledge to comprehend how a blind person travels or does whatever is necessary, if I make several attempts to explain it and someone still does not appear to be listening, it becomes very frustrating.
grinchnight14 1 points 2y ago
RIP to the cane, you will be forever missed
strangehoney [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Oh, no! Sighted people often have to initiate conversations so it is appreciated when you do in most cases. I would just break the ice with the weather, maybe you like their outfit, ask where they are headed, how the day is going.
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