Giving up objective journalism.(blindjournalist.wordpress.com)
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je974 points2y ago
There's a name for subjective journalism, it's called opinion pieces. Objective journalism, i.e. the news, should be separated from subjective journalism and there should be clear markers to show what it is you're getting. I hate it when media organisations try to force-feed you a certain point of view and call it news; they have opinion pieces for this.
Superfreq23 points2y ago
Fine dude, if you would rather write opinion pieces go right ahead; but please do the public the favor of marking them as such.
Narratives have an important place too, the passion of someone who believes in the subject strongly almost always makes for a more convincing and impactful piece, which in turn can bring much needed attention to an issue.
All I would ask is that you be up front and honest about your biases. If people want to use your material to build the walls of their echo chamber, than that's not your fault as long as you aren't feeding people lies or purposefully omitting important context.
Objective journalism is vital too though, to move the needle away from the short sighted extremism that defines our world more and more lately. But it's not the end all and be all of journalism either.
It is also still possible to write a piece which shows both sides of the issue fairly, and to have an agenda while avoiding the use of weasel words and emotionally manipulative language. It's not as easy, but if the antagonist in your story isn't dumb/evil enough to shoot them selves in the foot with their own quotable words, than as a good journalist you should be able to point out the inconsistencies in words VS actions to make your point instead.
BenandGracie3 points2y ago
While I don't agree that you should be sufjective to fight the system, I do like that you have finally admitted you are not objective. I think you should report both sides, but if you are not going to be objective, then be up front about it.
DrillInstructorJan2 points2y ago
At risk of being dragged into an argument on the level of teenaged twitter fans, this is absolutely staggering amounts of bullshit. This guy has a chip on his shoulder the size of Nebraska and seems to want to make a living out of being a loud, shouty member of the various minority groups he so proudly embraces. For the record, I'm not proud of being blind, you can't be proud of things you didn't choose and it's a pain in the ass. I am proud of the fact that I've managed to make a decent life anyway, which I suspect is something the author of this stuff will never, ever achieve, because he's too busy wallowing in how special he is. But he isn't. It's easy to make your whole life about the disability. Getting beyond that is what takes grit.
True objectivity is impossible but everyone should at least try to be, whether in journalism or in day to day life. Nobody has to give equal voice to the powerful and the powerless just to make a point but you do have to describe the case for and against a point. If you fail to do that, if you just write shouty op ed the whole time, you might find you get a big band of idiotic droogs who are willing to sing your praises, and that might feel nice, but you will do it in the knowledge that you're not going to convince anyone with half a brain and the willingness to look at things from the opposing point of view, even if they agree with you in principle. By rejecting even the pretence of objectivity you're more or less openly admitting that you don't have a valid argument, which isn't convincing anyone.
It's hard to shake the impression that this sort of writing is just designed to get a reaction, a reaction just like the one I am writing right now, but I do really resent the fact that this guy, with his big mouth and is stupid opinions, risk influencing people's expectations of me because we both happen to be blind, which is really annoying. No shoulder chips here.
siriuslylupin61 points2y ago
I agree I know this guy on multiple platforms and you’re absolutely right. I don’t even pay attention anymore.
siriuslylupin61 points2y ago
like yellow journalism?
blackberrybunny1 points2y ago
Can someone please explain to me in simple terms the differences between objective and subjective? These are 2 concepts I have never been able to understand. Thank you.
Amonwilde3 points2y ago
Subjective is perspective from a single point of view. Objective is knowledge or truth that exists outside individual points of view.
blackberrybunny1 points2y ago
Thank you! I think I've got it now. I always hear people comment on artwork, and they say something like, "It's all subjective, to the viewer." I think I get it finally. Thank you so much!
Amonwilde2 points2y ago
Of course :)
Marconius2 points2y ago
Subjective = single perspective about something opinion and emotion. Objective = outside observation of the same thing usually disassociated with emotion and based on observable fact.
A good breakdown of this is with most audio description for media. It's written to be objective so we can understand what's happening in a scene without being influenced by the the words or intent of the description writer or narrator.
Subjective: The stunningly gorgeous woman gracefully dips her spoon into her soup, then seductively brings it up to her luscious lips, coyly blowing on it while locking her amazing eyes on her date. Objective: A woman uses a spoon to scoop up soup from a bowl in front of her, brings the spoon to her lips and blows on it while looking at a person sitting across from her.
Note the difference in drive and intent. The difference between what you or the subject personally feels or experiences versus someone just observing the overall scene.
blackberrybunny1 points2y ago
Now THIS is a wonderful definition and example of what both are. I thank you so much! Giving the examples really helped me to understand. I don't know why I've struggled with subjective vs objective so long. I think I finally got it now, thanks to you! Thank you for your time and for typing all of that out for me.
CloudyBeep1 points2y ago
I would argue that your second example is omitting details. A good audio description writer would find a way of conveying the intent of those actions without being subjective, otherwise the audio description would be bland and not giving the blind audience the full picture.
Marconius2 points2y ago
It's an extreme example off the cuff to show the difference between subjective and objective writing, not an actual portrayal of accurate AD itself. Yes, AD would have more detail, but as soon as you start going overboard with opinionated description, such as "stunningly gorgeous" or "luscious lips" makes it subjective because not everyone may have the same opinion about what is luscious or stunningly gorgeous. Sometimes bad AD goes even farther by attempting to explain what a character is thinking which is fully subjective, like "She stares off, her eyes distant as she contemplates her lost love." We only see the character look off but need to use context from the story and what we've observed leading up to this point in the story to come to the conclusion of what she's thinking when she stares off, rather than letting the AD assume it for us. She may be contemplating dessert, or looking at something else in the scene, but telling us what she's thinking is purely subjective. Good AD starts at that bland objective point and then adds in the correct details without creating subjectivity as you said, only putting in details that allow for the story to be told fully and accurately without driving the emotions of the viewer.
siriuslylupin61 points2y ago
Subjective.
I really hate this lady because she’s a bitch.
I think johnny gets an a because he’s my favorite.
I think this ipad is cool because I can do so much today.
Objective.
Today 587 people died of covid 19 ‘
The fire is raging and has burnt up over 20 acres in california. People have lost their homes and become homeless.
Any facts you can find.
blackberrybunny1 points2y ago
Thank you so much! So subjective is pretty much an opinion, while objective is an actual fact. That makes it so much easier to understand. Thanks for the help on this. I think your answer was the clearest of them all! After 52 years, now I FINALLY get it!
siriuslylupin62 points2y ago
You got it!!!!!!! Subjectibv equals opinion there’s some bias or the person. Objective is truths and facts that could be verified. Can you confirm it objective is it just them yep okay subjective.
We use it slightly different in a tpsychology hobby I am in but essentially the same. Is it objective outside of you. Unfiltered. Unbiased not processed by you. The apple is green. Is that verifiable yes. Okay objective. The air is cold. Is that verifiable okay objective. Subjective is something that person has a part of. This icecream taste like that other icecream. That’s one’s subjective interpretation. Interpretation is also subjective. So yes.
CloudyBeep1 points2y ago
A massive oversimplification would be to say that "subjective" deals with opinioni, while "objective" deals with facts.
Subjective: "I didn't enjoy the new movie because I found its story uninteresting."
Objective: "Many critics didn't enjoy the new movie because of its story."
Even though the second sentence also deals with opinions, it shows that the opinion is that of more than just one person.
blackberrybunny2 points2y ago
These examples have helped me so much, I am truly finally understanding these concepts. I appreciate your time, thank you!
Apocalyptias1 points2y ago
I thought that the purpose of objective journalism was to report the facts without a bias, so as to not force-feed a certain narrative to the viewers. For example, "Today the President of the US reported that Coronavirus Deaths were eliminated, whilst medical professionals cite overwhelming evidence to the contrary." In this made-up example, it is indeed truthful because the article has cited a trustworthy medical professional who would in fact know the facts, let's say his name is Dr. Faust. Is this not objective journalism?
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