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Screen reader proficiency (self.Blind)
submitted by ftrnlt
Is anyone here, or is it possible to become, really proficient using a computer with a screen reader? I'm not referring to the ability to push to 800 words per minute, but rather being able to navigate a computer similar to sighted peers in a moderately high pressure IT environment?
Marconius 5 points 2y ago
Of course. I'm a power Mac and Windows user, regularly write my own code, run things in Terminal, and am extremely fast with general computer use. Workarounds are needed when accessibility barriers pop up with various apps, but most issues are manageable. I maintain websites, maintain my file system and do routine OS maintenance, manage git repositories both locally and online, run Terminal scripts to back up data to external media, write my blog, work in Xcode, and do all my other computer work with hardly any problems. It just takes time and practice.
ftrnlt [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Amazing, are you full time employed in IT?
Marconius 2 points 2y ago
No, I'm an accessibility specialist, making apps and websites usable for us blind users and people with other disabilities. So more of testing and QA rather than IT. All the coding I do is more of a hobby for now while I work my way into accessibility engineering.
siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
Yeah, definitely. It isn’t hard really. Just takes practice, practice makes perfect.
Fridux 1 points 2y ago
I have 6 years of experience using screen-readers (mostly VoiceOver on MacOS, but I've used NVDA too) and as far as my experience is concerned, while it's possible to do a lot more than I ever imagine being able to do blind, I can't help the feeling that I'm being dragged down by my blindness, and on top of that I have a lot of trouble trusting myself because I have one less sense to root me into reality, so I don't work anymore.

One problem I have with screen-readers for reading code is that, in order to not go crazy, I read with the punctuation verbosity set to some, which forces me to read character by character some times, and that in turn slows me down and makes me a lot more prone to error. Braille can probably help with this, but I struggle a lot with it am don't feel enough of a need to pay for a Braille display in order to train myself.

The way I think of it is: if screen-readers were all that productive there would be a lot more people using them. I'm not denying that it's possible to be efficient with a screen-reader, but that requires a lot more skill than to be efficient with a visual interface, and that requirement consumes mental resources thus reducing your capacity to reason about code complexity.

Blindness has certainly made me improve as a programmer, because it required me to develop mental abilities that I didn't have in order to just be able to code, but again I can't help the feeling that I'd be much much more efficient if my sight returned and I didn't have to use screen-readers anymore.
DrillInstructorJan 1 points 2y ago
Certain things will never be as fast as doing it by sight. I don't think you can really just zip through text as fast as reading it, and the big thing is there isn't really any way to skim stuff or glance around and get a decent impression of roughly what's going on. It's like browsing in shops, you just can't do it. A lot of that you can sort of help yourself out with by just remembering what you have open, though. A lot of it becomes feats of memory. It depends exactly what you're trying to do. What are you trying to do?
ftrnlt [OP] 1 points 2y ago
I am a developer at a fast paced company, day to day requires keeping track of lots of things. Visual Studio for code, various web based server monitoring things, dashboards, sql queries, etc. Not to mention countless emails, countless MS Teams chats and channels. I am losing my sight, and I am scared that I wil never be able to carry out my job efficiently
DrillInstructorJan 2 points 2y ago
You can certainly be a software engineer without sight. It's one of the standard jobs people can do, like law and mental health stuff, and you are ahead of the pack because you know what a computer user interface looks like.

I have a policy of always completely levelling with people and not sugar coating stuff, and it will slow you down especially at first. You can make this easier, I'd have thought, by getting used to something like JAWS or NVDA right now.

Web control panels for things like routers are invariably awful but you can sometimes work around it with a bit of back door tech nerdiness.
ukifrit 1 points 2y ago
it's totally possible. You start with the basics and on time you can make stuff really fast.
CloudyBeep 1 points 2y ago
From your profile, it looks like you're starting to learn to use a screen reader.

Yes, you can navigate a computer quickly. Obviously, you'll be quicker using apps that are accessible, that you can navigate easily and that you use regularly.
ftrnlt [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Yeah my sight is ok enough so that I get by with magnification, but want to start using a screen reader. I use Windows, so I will try NVDA
retrolental_morose 2 points 2y ago
I work in IT but have been blind from birth.
Apart from having set up audio alerts for online dashboards and having a few scripts to condense visual data into speech I'm just a power screen reader user.

when you start with NVDA, go in and turn off as much as you can to cut down the chattiness would be my first advice. :) and good luck.
ftrnlt [OP] 1 points 2y ago
What do you mean turn off as much as possible?
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