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I was ignorant for asking about the blind? (self.Blind)
submitted by RogueDovakiin
I made a post asking what blind people more specifically the ones that cant see whatsoever do for fun because the things I do for fun (Playing shooters) cant really be done by someone who cant see anything and someone called me ignorant for being curious
WarHamster40k 13 points 2y ago
Having read $1, a few things happened that quickly soured the conversation:

* You asked something that gets posted frequently between here, r/askreddit and other similar subreddits. It got bad enough over on r/askreddit that there's an AutoModerator string just to remind people that blind people can use computers and a direct link to our FAQ. When r/blind has to put up multiple pinned posts just to address how VI/blind people use Reddit and the proper way to harvest uncredited research data (and doesn't get read by people who can allegedly read more easily than us (add a lol here if you think it helps)), it's understandable why people here can get frustrated when yet another person asks the same thing yet again. It's like driving a bus and having a different kid ask "Are we there yet?" every quarter-mile and then they get confused when the driver gets angry. Sure, "they" only asked once and most of them can readily see out their window, but they did it anyway.
* It was phrased in the third person "How do blind people \_\_\_\_" as opposed to the typical second person "How do you \_\_\_". That often leads into the assumption that VI/blind people are incapable of answering for themselves and can only rely on third parties to act on their behalf (refer to bullet one). This is another stereotype that frequently comes up when people ask vision-related questions, which means more time has to be set aside to address it "again" before the actual question. It doesn't help that many users use such lead-ins for trolling or poorly-informed jokes, which often gets moderated as Spam or Harassment.
* " Of course those who are currently blind cant really answer" covers both points one and two. There was a link that led to the subreddit that gave the information you were looking for. Most of your replies from that point felt increasingly confrontational. It was less r/askreddit and more r/AmItheAsshole. By then, things broke down "again".

If you reached this point without skipping, I hope this helped you out. If you're looking for a TL;DR - started a conversation on bad assumptions, doubled down when provided info to the contrary, convo broke down. Not the first time, probably not the last. I'm sorry to hear things didn't go well, but I hope you find this useful for the future.

P.S. Personally, I like listening to podcasts, tabletop gaming (online because of COVID), and "watching" movies with descriptive audio tracks. I have some experience with video games but not nearly as much as I did when I was younger.
RogueDovakiin [OP] -9 points 2y ago
Good to know also Im not gonna submit a post on r/AmItheAsshole when Im fully aware Im not an ass and I was pretty sure I wasnt ignorant either to which the subreddit answered me by saying I wasnt and that I just dont understand how blind people live (Obviously I dont as Im not VI or blind and until recently didnt ever think about how they may not be able to enjoy what I enjoy)
Amonwilde 6 points 2y ago
There is such a thing as google, however. And you can and should read pinned posts before jumping in. And when people tell you what's happening, you should listen instead of doubling down. And then in the thread where someone takes time to give you a very reasonable reply and even answers your original question, you should use the space to thank them, not doing more doubling (tripling?) down. And yeah, don't make a post there, no one cares if you're an asshole or not.
Laser_Lens_4 3 points 2y ago
You know how they told you to stop doubling down? Yeah, you should actually stop.
feckinthrowawayacc 6 points 2y ago
Ignorant: lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing. The word "ignorant" is an adjective that describes a person in the state of being unaware, or even cognitive dissonance and other cognitive relation, and can describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts, or individuals who are unaware of important information or facts.

You didn't know some things about blind people, and your lack of knowledge happened to result in you saying some things that mildly upset people. This doesn't make you a bad person, but it does mean thag you were ignorant.
DrLuobo 6 points 2y ago
Honestly, the question has been asked so many times, it's gotten old. I answered your question over there, by the way, about what I do for fun. And as I commented on your other post, yes, there are blind people on Reddit, and everywhere else online. I hope by now you've looked up screen readers and have a better understanding of how we use computers.
RogueDovakiin [OP] -4 points 2y ago
I have but I was just confused as to how Im ignorant by being curious
Remy_C 5 points 2y ago
I think it's hard for so many of us to keep getting asked the same old tired questions over and over. For you, your curiocity is new. Perhaps your sight is a huge part of your life. I wager most of the sighted world, values its sight above all other senses, and moreover many can't fathom living without it. But the truth is, the only things keeping us from ever having a fullfilling life are the limiters imposed upon us by the a world not set up for sightlessness. I myself don't generally get bothered by people asking. So I will anser.

I'm a writer, composer, voice actor and sound designer specializing in audio drama production. I use a screen reader called NVDA (non-visual Desktop Access) on my PC and Voiceover, another screen reader available on any Apple device. I also have residual vision as I was born without developed optic nerves, so I am able to use inverted colors and magnification for some things too. I also love video games — particularly narrative driven ones. While I am slow at them, and while I do use walkthroughs to ensure I don't miss things, I can play them and have been doing so since 1989. I will continue to do so until gameplay surpasses my ability, something which seems more likely with each passing game generation. (I do plan to eventually get a PS5 once it's been out for a while. I use what vision I have, along with pairing my PS4 to my PC using Remote Play and using my NVDA screen reader to take screen captures of any in-game text. if it's well-contrasted with the background NVDA will read it for me. I can read visually, but I'm very slow at it in comparrison.

I hope that answers both your questions.
RogueDovakiin [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Yes It does and yeah vision is a big part of my life I play video games I watch anime and write and draw anime and I cant imagine myself doing any of it if I couldnt see
Remy_C 3 points 2y ago
It would depend on your level of vision loss. There's a large number of "visually impaired" people out there who do have some sight. Granted there are a lot of totally blind people too. If you lost it, you would do like anyone before you; learn to adapt and find joy in what remains and you'd learn to live with it. Or you'd give up, go mad or wollow in self-pity.
je97 3 points 2y ago
We do get asked the same questions a lot of the time, however there's an easy way we could make them stop without snapping at people: just don't answer them if you don't want to. It isn't ignorant to ask about that sort of thing if you intend to start a conversation rather than just collecting survey responses. I think a lot of people are just tired of people who think that the sub is designed to provide a free community of survey respondents.
RogueDovakiin [OP] 7 points 2y ago
I was genuinely curious because I thought about how easy I could manuever my house if I was blind (I have walked through my house with my eyes closed for dares or being to tired to open my eyes) and then I was hit with the realization that I probably couldnt play the type of games I like or draw animes like I do if I couldnt see which led to me wondering what blind people do i knew there was Braille so they could read but I knew there was more I just didnt know what it was and after asking I now know blind can surf the internet just like I do and play video games (although maybe not the kind I enjoy but they can play them none the less and they probably have fun doing it. It made me realize I dont need to and probably shouldnt pity the blind or visually impaired because although you guys may not enjoy perfect sight you guys still have ways to enjoy the same things I do
Amonwilde 2 points 2y ago
Hey, sounds like you learned a lot. Good stuff.
oncenightvaler 2 points 2y ago
Hi, totally blind 29 year old here. I play some games through Zanosoft's RS Games, the Amazon Alexa, and Quentin C's Playroom. However, I also love to read, love walking with my friends out in nature, love watching TV and movies in described video, like to karaoke, cook twice or thrice a week, and liked finding plays or concerts to see back when those were allowed.
DrillInstructorJan 2 points 2y ago
You're fine, I don't think people should get do worked up, or if they do they shouldn't post about it. Yes we get asked a lot.

To answer your question, I had normal sight until I was 19 then went completely blind and for fun I go running, to the gym when there is no virus, I play musical instruments, do judo, cook (I literally just made cupcakes) and movies... look up audio description. And of course there's the all time favourite, having a lie in and spending the day lounging about eating cupcakes.

Mainly it's about the cupcakes to be honest.
RogueDovakiin [OP] 0 points 2y ago
Lol Im personally not fond of sweets but its great that you are making the best of it
DrillInstructorJan 3 points 2y ago
Thing is, it doesn't really feel like "making the best of it" after a while, it's just eh, this is life, I'll push for life to be awesome just like anyone else would.

When there is no virus I don't have much time to do stuff simply because I work my ass off in the general pursuit of awesomeness. Still I'm a musician, it suffers from the problem of making your hobby your job, so you end up having no hobby and just endless work... still I'll take it.
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RogueDovakiin [OP] 2 points 2y ago
I can relate to having a boring life XD ever since quarantine I just sit around and play video games and occasionally work out
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siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
I think people just overreact and can be kind of silly honestly. And get grumpy.

I happen to be totally blind since 8 and before that couldn’t write home about my vision. It was always fairly bad.

I am a typology self-development nerd. One of the only ones it seems on this sub and besides here frequent r/mbti r/socionics r/attitudinalpsyche r/mbtitheory r/jungiantypology I have read a lot of the typology theory books as well and take it seriously would be cool to get certified. The russian certification is really difficult for blind people but the western stuff shouldn’t be a problem. I am an ESTP by the way if you’re curious and probably lse in r/socionics but could also be sle. I have the characteristic of being pretty friendly and chil but also very assertiv and direct. Generally a very approachable person.

I enjoy tinkering with tech, and audio equipment, I enjoy audiobloging and soundscaping. I have a channel up on youtube where I do typology stuff. I type people and educate and really help them with the western jungian stuff.

I love learning and reading I have an ebook library of about 1000 to 1100 books in apple books and kindle the majority of these nonfiction. Most of them all sorts of nonfiction topics from psychology to philosophy to appologeticcs to history to science to you name it. I enjoy intellectual conversations and debating. These days not so much as people just become emotional and all touchy and feely. So I usually don’t debate.

When the pandemic isn’t happening actually I enjoy exploring the city and traveling around. I love food. And eating the more sensory the better. I like variety novelty of food and lots of flavor. I did the entire yelping or food hunting too go to different places and try the food out know a new restaurant and reviewed it I did this on foursqueare though I found that more accessible then yelp. Yelp is more and more horrible these days haha! I do find yelp helpful but have never managed to submit reviews. I also like coffee shops and stuff.

I like collecting coffees and teas. And having a nice variety of high quality stuff.

I enjoy people interacting and volunteering, I currently greet at my church when I can when my ride situation works out.

I think that’s it.
RogueDovakiin [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Thanks I honeslty cant imagine what it would be like to not be able to see I have always been able to see and cant imagine it any other way but to talk about how some of the stuff I enjoy could also be enjoyed even then is cool its really nice to know all that
siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
Well blindness isn’t the end of life. Losing vision doesn’t mean the end. I say this over and over and over and over again on here. Losing vision you can still live a full and fulfilled life so if you want it or the person want it they can. I am usually busy if it’s not the pandemic I am usually not home and good luck finding me on the internet. I am always out and about and talking to people hanging out and busy with life. I do this independently too. I live life to the fullest. I don’t let anyone or anything stop me. I’ve been recognized by blind and sighted people I kind of stik out and kind of brave and bold and inspiring. I don’t stop I enjoy I keep going.

Not much like that because of pandemic and it’s different germs and sickness and stuff are closed so I’ve been doing the more research and learning. But yeah..... not the most intellectual but yeah. More pragmatic.


But definitely do the same things or nearly.

I can message too if you want if you want to ask more questions you can would love to keep in touch and help you understand. That’s the tip of the iceberg to who I am I have many stories I’ve lived an interesting and adventurous life.
ConsequenceFull2805 0 points 2y ago
I would watch out for most blind people. Pun intended. Most of them have this offended culture. It’s a shame really. But I can assure you that there are those of us who are willing to answer your questions
FantasticGlove 3 points 2y ago
Ah. The generalization argument. In philosophy, your views would be seen as invalid simply due to the fact that you are using words like most or all. There is a big majority of blind people who aren't offended by everything and who do have common sense however, probably due to your own experiences, you feel that most blind people are offended. That's probably true in your circle but in my circle, blind people don't get offended by most things.
magouslioni690 0 points 2y ago
No. I think the person who responded wasn't blind at all.

Well I'm not fully blind, I play video games, audio games and watch anime. Other than that nothing :D.
_bassJunkie -7 points 2y ago
So many snowflakes on this subreddit. Don’t take it personally lol that’s why I don’t post here anymore because every reply to someone being curious is just someone being bitter. Kind of sums up a lot of other blind or partially blind folks I meet. Fuck then, hence why I don’t make friends with them lmao
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_bassJunkie 0 points 2y ago
Well, I wasn’t aware of the context. This sub is notorious for having an attitude when people ask about blind people, or ways they can help blind people. Therefore, I wasn’t surprised when I thought someone called him ignorant for not knowing things surrounding blind people.

Now I know what happened, the person trying to defend blind people by calling him ignorant wasn’t necessary. It’s common sense that if you’ve rarely interacted with the blind community, you ain’t gonna know squat.

EDIT: Not really offended. Reading the thread, sounds like a bunch of people got offended for no reason. Yes, common question. But it’s called r/askreddit, people ask questions... about things. Either answer it or move on. Unnecessary drama.
impablomations 3 points 2y ago
Type 'blind' into the askreddit search bar and sort by new, look at how many posts are made daily on this one subject. It's more than curiosity, that sub was a full on obsession with the blind.

Posts that gain traction there usually result in a large influx of posts here, as well as an uptick in trolls making posts we have to remove.

Just the other day after we banned one of them, they announced that they had 10 alts "locked and loaded"
_bassJunkie 0 points 2y ago
Despite the trolls, isn’t it a good thing to make people aware of what we are capable of instead of shunning them away when they are genuinely curious? Yes maybe a google search or reddit search may answer their question, but I like how they want to actively engage in the community. I thought that would be a good thing.
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