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Can we have a mega-thread for people who are doing research (self.Blind)
submitted by BlakeBlues
In the past day, I've seen 3 posts asking for help with interviews for product design or research. That is 3 of 15 total posts. This takes away from the content of this sub, blind people having a community.

We can mitigate all of these people who need help trying to "solve" blindness, make it "easier" for us, or make a new device by having just one weekly post they can post in.

Maybe it's me being jaded, but I'm tired of seeing people expecting we help for no or little incentive, or without doing thorough research.

What are your thoughts?
nkdeck07 15 points 2y ago
>Maybe it's me being jaded, but I'm tired of seeing people expecting we help for no or little incentive, or without doing thorough research.

No it's rude as fuck. Not blind but am in here because I do a lot of web accessibility and product work and you all have some great resources to help me do my job better. Unless you are already paying for the product (and hence have some incentive to make it better) it's a basic part of product management to offer some compensation for interviews, ditto for research (usually a small amazon gift card)
AidanKilledAIDS 2 points 2y ago
In a student-led project where the budget might not be expansive enough to allow for paid person-by-person interviews, do you think that a general survey in return for a draw to win something like an Amazon gift card would be appropriate? I would not want it to be interpreted as taking advantage of the community.

I ask this because I am in a final year of school engineering project about assisted 3D spatial perception of specific points, and feedback from this community would be very valuable, but we do not have money to pay each redditor who participates.
BlakeBlues [OP] 13 points 2y ago
It's a flaw and limit of the research, survey, and study overall unfortunately. For me, it is not one individual post that makes me upset (though, there are some that are just awful), but rather, it's the volume of posts..

I love research. I'm finishing my master's in the field of blindness and low vision. Planning on my PhD. I know finding people is tricky, but we didn't volunteer to be asked research questions daily..
AidanKilledAIDS 2 points 2y ago
That’s fair, I can understand the annoyance. Once we have something that is worth presenting to this community, we might do so and leave an open place for feedback. It is my hope that our work is worthy of people wanting to provide feedback in the first place.
BlakeBlues [OP] 2 points 2y ago
I hope you come up with some great results and wish you well. I am not able to participate from my phone.

I am comfortable with people showing what they are learning and designing. I think asking for feedback takes emotional labor when it's constant, and most people don't consider that.

This means, I personally want to ensure thorough research has been done on these topics before people ask us for our time and labor. I love innovation, but I don't like feeling sighted people are trying to fix blind people's problems without considering what blind people's problems are.
SeptemberJoy 7 points 2y ago
This would be something to discuss with your teacher/supervisor/covered in receiving ethics approval for conducting interviews.

That said, yes, I think offering a gift card in a random draw would be fair and I've seen it done in other research projects.
ABlindManPlays 12 points 2y ago
I worked in market research. We would search for willing participants in various studies, often for fast food but sometimes for political round tables or the like. We would offer everything from $50 to $500 for participation because companies need that data.


These leeches are trying to get responses without compensation. I personally do not believe that nine-tenths of these people are students like they say. They are PREYING on your needs and your desire to make a difference for your community. They aren't making these products because they want to help you. They exist for one reason: to make a profit. If they can get your responses without compensating you for it, even better.


Don't play into their hands.
CloudyBeep 4 points 2y ago
The surveys are often poorly designed, which is why I think the majority are students.
nkdeck07 3 points 2y ago
Lol there's a lot of people making absolute garbage product feedback surveys, especially in startups
maximemanseau 1 points 2y ago
200% agree with you.
I'm Stories cofounder and honestly, at the beginning we were super bad had getting constructive feedback. Since a few month we installed $1 to automate feedback generation and we are super happy with it :)
Superfreq2 0 points 2y ago
I've taken many of these studies and filled out surveys. I can tell you that your nine tenths number is irresponsible and completely inaccurate.
Stop attributing it to malice without proof.
Fridux 10 points 2y ago
I don't mind threads asking me to answer questions here on reddit, but refuse to follow links to third-party sites to fill out surveys or provide other contact details in order to talk to the researchers. In the former case if they can't even be bothered to interact with me then I'm not going to leave my comfort zone either, and in the latter case I think that private conversations are too invasive and inappropriate for the purpose. Essentially my issue are not the research posts but the way they expect us to reply without publicly engaging with the community that bothers me.
CloudyBeep 4 points 2y ago
I actually prefer surveys to answering questions here. The former feels more structured to me.
LadyAlleta 8 points 2y ago
I honestly hate it too. Makes me feel like a lab rat or an animal on display. Plus, why should I bother giving them my time for free? Other developers pay for feedback
noaimpara 5 points 2y ago
What really gets to me aren’t the uni students trying to do their assignments, it’s the people who think they’ve created a revolutionary life changing products but who sound like they have never googled the world blind before and seemingly know nothing of accessibility and the spectrum of blindness.
Superfreq2 1 points 2y ago
Same, I wish people would direct their anger at those people, not at researchers in general.
Clunny 5 points 2y ago
I agree
Winnmark 3 points 2y ago
I made a post similar to this a while ago, talking about people that want to interview us without compensation... but still expect to be greeted warmly by the community and what not.

I got similarly positive feedback, again, I will reiterate, that perhaps the best solution might simply be to make a community rule for the sidebar to not bother us with interviews unless you're willing to compensate, unless you're a high schooler or whatever. Check my post history if you're interested.

either way, it's evident that the community finds these people annoying and something needs to be done.
Laser_Lens_4 3 points 2y ago
Would it be possible to require that surveys be submitted for approval before posting? Are there enough mods to do that?
Winnmark 1 points 2y ago
I would literally volunteer for that.
siriuslylupin6 2 points 2y ago
Not a bad idea other subs I go to have rules like this. There’s a sub i go to it’s a typology one and everyone wanted to know there type and it gets annoying I am on this one with no rules about it and the entire sub is type me. So what did this sub do? Created another sub but also created a single sticky type me thread and you’re only allowed that. That sub is bigger and much much busier then this one. And any such post is rejected.
Superfreq2 2 points 2y ago
What about instead we just have a stickied thread that stays around permanently, just for this stuff. People who are interested could simply keep checking it, and others wouldn't have to be bothered.
To avoid having too many stickys, we could also move the info from the current thread about researcher etiquette to the first post of the new one (it needs to be clarified and cleaned up anyway).
CloudyBeep 2 points 2y ago
If we do this, people won't look at that post. I'd rather what we have now so I can remember to fill out their surveys or whatever.
BlakeBlues [OP] 8 points 2y ago
Honestly, I don't want them to post at all, but I get some people are okay with it
CloudyBeep 3 points 2y ago
I don't like it either, but then they won't get any responses.
rumster 1 points 2y ago
Thus why the minute I see one report on any of the posts I Immediately delete them.

What would be a fair incentive? Mind you, I'm not sure if Reddit has rules against that.
Superfreq2 2 points 2y ago
You delete them without even examining the post first? I really hope that isn't the case, especially now that you've told everyone you do that.
rumster 1 points 2y ago
Any post related to any agency I mark for deletion, not that they deleted. I also read everything. I even read your response which got a report.
Superfreq2 1 points 2y ago
Okay that's a relief :D

And props to the trollyness of the person who reported my post.
GearAlpha 1 points 2y ago
As one of those people who posted a product design survey recently, I apologize for doing so.

I didn’t mean to treat others as lab rats used for tests results.
BlakeBlues [OP] 2 points 2y ago
I hope you come up with some great results and wish you well.

I am comfortable with people showing what they are learning and designing. I think asking for feedback takes emotional labor when it's constant, and most people don't consider that.

This means, I personally want to ensure thorough research has been done on these topics before people ask us for our time and labor. I love innovation, but I don't like feeling sighted people are trying to fix blind people's problems without considering what blind people's problems are.
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