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Do you know anyone blind playing in an orchestra? (self.Blind)
submitted by siwy4don
Hey, I've been blind for 5 years and I've been taking cello lessons for 3 years and I've been wondering. Can a blind person play in an orchestra? Do you know anyone who plays? I'd like to ask some questions.
annibear 3 points 2y ago
Yup, played woodwinds in various orchestras throughout my life, both before blindness and after. Have played in a few orchestras with my guide dog, too (she's very chill about it). I mostly memorized the music.
siwy4don [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Ok, what about the cues? How do you approach that with a conductor? And I've heard that I couldn't be a full-time orchestra player because I can't play à vista.
annibear 2 points 2y ago
Sorry for the delay--laptop broke.

Cues, I mostly just exactly memorize the music and practice individually with the conductor if needed. I've also had whoever is sitting next to me nonverbally let me know, by poking me or something, also have done that with standing at the end of a concert. Conductors can be jerks but some are flexible.
DrillInstructorJan 2 points 2y ago
I am a bass guitarist but I have played with orchestras on a few occasions. So I'm not a full time classical musician but I'll happily answer any questions if I can. You could also go ask over on the classicalmusicians subreddit.

Mainly the issues are reading music. I just have to memorise everything. If whoever's in charge wants to make a million changes you just have to remember them, whereas everyone else will annotate their score. First time I did it, I was very worried that all the other musicians would be those scary types who had been playing one instrument since they were 2 and went to some posh conservatory but everyone was lovely.
siwy4don [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Ok, what about the cues? How do you approach that with a conductor? And I've heard that I couldn't be a full-time orchestra player because I can't play à vista. By the way, there's musescore and ibos music reader that can help with music notation.
DrillInstructorJan 2 points 2y ago
Cues are something that I generally hit much more often in musical theatre and honestly, it's something you solve as it comes up. You often have to have some interaction with the musical director (in theatre) or the conductor or session leader or whoever it is, which is not ideal. It was actually someone from the classicalmusicians subreddit who said to me that you should basically have the goal of never being spoken to the whole session! But unfortunately that's not always realistic if you need a cue.

I'll talk about theatre because that's what I know best but I expect you would find something similar in classical. I find it breaks down into basically three categories. If it's not a cold open, or at least not for you, then you're fine. It may mean hanging around in a state of being ready to go at a heartbeat's notice for a while, but you can just be aware when everyone else is playing and go with it. If it is a cold open and it's just you and then everyone else joins, again, you're fine within the limits that it lets you set the tempo and they have to be OK with that. It doesn't happen very often for me as a bassist but it depends on what you're playing. The tricky situation is if it's cold and you are required to come in with everyone else. In theatre the musical director will often count it, or in both theatre and classical recording sessions there may sometimes be a click or recorded track to play to. Even if there's click it may be that you need counting in because you won't know which is the down beat, but if you're in an open concert sort of situation there may not be anything but the conductor, and that's where you have to get creative.

You will need a good relationship with whoever's in charge but I've done all kinds of things. I've put microphones on people so they can count really quietly under their breath and not ruin the recording (I own a radio microphone and a tiny mixer so I can mix it into my own monitoring). I've clipped that microphone to someone's cuff so I can hear their arms waving around which works amazingly well depending on their conducting style. I've given that microphone to other people so they can act as interpreter. Sometimes that's another player or a session leader or something, or just one of the engineers. I very rarely have to do any of that, though. At a big studio they will probably be happy to sort something out for you. You figure it out.

On one hand they are required to make reasonable adjustments. On the other hand you are asking for special favours and you don't want to be the perpetual special case. Make sure you flag it up early so it's not a surprise and take a problem solving attitude. I go to every job worrying that I'll be confronted with something I can't solve, but so far, so good.

And yes, I can't take jobs that require sight reading. That's really simple. But it's not my impression that most jobs do require that. I often get sent music that I have to have a friend go through on piano so I can learn it, and I end up owing her a lot of lunches. It's not something I want to do, but if it's that or unemployment I'll put up with it.
siwy4don [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Thank you for your reply :)
AnAnonymousGamer1994 1 points 2y ago
I’m not trying to be a downer, and I’m not (I emphasize NOT) trying to be funny or anything.

One aspect of playing in an orchestra is watching the conductor. That is no problem if you’re a sighted person but if you’re blind you’ll need a way to work around this.
YoYo31415 1 points 2y ago
Violinist here, though I do have sight. I don’t see why not, though. If you can memorize the music (should be very doable since you take lessons), you’d just follow the rest of the group on tempo and dynamics changes the conductor asks for. Only tricky part is when they start in the middle of a piece to practice, but you’ll figure it out. I might recommend requesting to sit next to a strong/experienced player for a few rehearsals until you get the hang of it. Or ask to sit in the middle of the section...being surrounded by others playing your part will help orient you as well. Way in the back on your own would be less ideal.
AndAdapt 1 points 2y ago
Google tech for good and orchestra. They did an episode on a blind guy who is in an orchestra
K-R-Rose 1 points 2y ago
I would have been in an orchestra had I not chosen chorus instead in 4th grade lol. It’s still challenging to be a singer though. I have to memorize everything since I can’t read sheet music. But don’t you dare say that choir is easier than band. It’s not. We’re equal. So yeah. I don’t see why blindness could stop professionals from playing in a performance setting
siwy4don [OP] 1 points 2y ago
There are scores on musescore with notes and lyrics. I know you'd still have to memorise them, but it can be helpful.
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