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Buying a Braille display (self.Blind)
submitted by HeftyCryptographer21
Hello r/Blind. I am in the market for a braille display and I was wondering how many cells you feel is enough. There is one that is only 1200 CAD, but it only has 14 braille cells. How many cells would you say is kind of the “minimum” you would want to have. I will be using this a lot, several hours every day, or more, as well as math, programming, etc if that makes a difference.

edit: Someone in the comments suggested to look on ebay, so I now have a question about what to look for if you are buying a braille display used.
retrolental_morose 9 points 2y ago
I could only afford a 14 and settled to novels on it quite happily. I'd get an ache in my finger from scrolling so often rather than reading.

I'm happy with my 20 when on road: it fits neatly on ny lap or over my shoulder on a strap. were it lighter I'd be happy using it more on my feet, but as is is it works best whilst sitting or having a surface to work on.

For coding at my desk, a 40 is ideal. Also the buttons on my Focus are amazingly useful when it comes to various computer games or other esoteric tasks. For code review and proofing I also find the space of the 40 useful, although anything wider than my computer keyboard would irritate me I think.

So the answer depends on you I guess, hopefully my experiences might be some guide.
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 3 points 2y ago
Thanks a lot for your response, it is really helpful. Which would you say is the best if you could only have one. The gov't pays for a good portion of them, because they are considered assistive tech for the disabled, so I could afford the 20, and or even the 40 in a pinch, but I can't afford to buy 2 for several years.

I am in my last year of high school, so would need something that could keep up with me in university. I guess my question is, which one would give me the most bang for my buck.

Thanks in advanced.
retrolental_morose 6 points 2y ago
I'd go for the 40 if I had to choose. I'd want ironclad assurance that it'd be repaired quickly though, as you'd grow to depend on it very fast. the 20 sits around more until I leave the house, although it's a very handy notepad whilst one is on the phone etc.
KillerLag 3 points 2y ago
Depending on which university, some of them would actually buy the equipment you need. What province are you in?
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Wow, that’s pretty coo. I live in Alberta now, but I am planning to go to Ontario for university.
mehgcap 5 points 2y ago
For coding and general use, 32 is my minimum. I have a 20-cell Orbit, and while it works, it's not great for me. I found an old BrailleNote MPower on Ebay last year for $65, and grabbed two of them. One is broken, but the display looks in good shape. The other works beautifully, but has no battery life. It lives on my desk, connected to the PC vaia serial and to power from the wall. I love it. If it ever dies, I can try swapping the display from the other unit I have.

Mine was a case of incredible luck, though. Displays off Ebay are a roll of the dice--was it cared for? Do the buttons work? Are there dead or stuck dots the seller doesn't know to look for? Don't hesitate to try Ebay, but be careful and know the return policy.

In general, I'd go for 32 or 40 if you can. Also consider whether you want a braille or QWERTY keyboard, ,if wireless connectivity is important, which scrolling you prefer, and--the big one--if there are cursor keys. I dislike the Orbit 20 mostly because the placement of the scrolling keys is awkward, and there's no cursor routing. If I'm reviewing code or editing text, I'm not going to scroll ten lines down, find a mistake, then have to arrow down to it. I want to hit a button and have my cursor in the right place right away. Remember that the Orbit 20 lacks this feature, but the 40-cell model has it. It's not cheap, but it's less expensive than any other 40-cell display bought new. If you can get used to the scrolling keys, and don't mind the loud and slightly slow refreshing, it could be an option. Orbits really are loud, though, so keep that in mind if you'll be using this in classes or other quiet places.
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Awesome, thanks for the response. I am thinking I will go for the 40 cell Orbit, but we'll see.
bradley22 2 points 2y ago
That’s what I’m going for.
retrolental_morose 1 points 2y ago
the Orbit is great, but only if you are not a very fast reader. Several of my braille-reading associates read too quickly for the Orbit's cells to keep up, and the noise could be an off-putter. it doesn't bother me or my colleagues in the office but depending where you're going it might be an issue. I wouldn't want to use an orbit whilst reading aloud in public, in church etc.
bradley22 1 points 2y ago
Ah; that's ok, i'm a slow reader :)
MrsMammaGoose 3 points 2y ago
Most people can do with 40.
changeneverhappens 3 points 2y ago
Depends on personal preference. I'm a teacher for students with visual impairments and I find that my younger kids do well with lower cell counts but my older kids need lines of 20 - 40. 14 is really small, especially if you're going to be using it so heavily. I'd probably recommend trying a 20 or 40 cell device before purchasing a mini device. Also, You can find refurbished displays at decent prices.

For example here's a 40 cell display for about $1500.00 USD
https://irie-at.com/product/hims-edge40-refurbished/

Here's a 20 cell pacmate display and qwerty keyboard combo thats refurbished and under $300.00 USD.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PacMate-Omni-QX420-Windows-computer-4-blind-20-cell-Braille-Display-Refurbished-/252415937624

Here's another pacmate braille display qwerty combo with 40 cells for $350 USD
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PacMate-Omni-QX440-Windows-Laptop-4-blind-w-40-cell-Braille-Display-Refurbished/251737587926?hash=item3a9cbac0d6:g:75YAAOSwuMFUejZk

Personally, I've never worked with the braille display/qwerty keyboard combos but they make a lot of sense to me for adult and professional users.

This one is a bit excessive but here's an 80 cell braille display for just over $700 USD after shipping.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Freedom-Scientific-Focus-80-Braille-Display-Keyboard-F80/293589884387?hash=item445b521de3:g:nHsAAOSw7pNeyS~5
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Thanks a lot for response, and for the links. I hadn't thought of the idea to buy a braille display used.

do any of your students do a lot of math, or coding, or physics? Those are my main areas of interest, and I am interested to see how a braille display would do with those, especially the 20 cell one.

Thanks in advanced.
changeneverhappens 3 points 2y ago
They do quite a bit of math, which 20 or more cells is great for. Honestly, due to the sheer amount of extra code symbols for each content, a 40 cell is likely your best bet, simply because those contents need the space.

I would reach out to your local resource center for people with visual impairments and ask if they can either have devices to trial or if they can connect you with a resource that does. Its a big purchase thats worth the research. Orbit also makes super affordable devices but the devices are much simpler. They're meant to be more affordable and less specialized, if you will.
modulus 2 points 2y ago
I honestly wouldn't bother with anything less than 40 cells. My main use display is 80 cell and it's really handy, especially for technical content. Bear in mind that code gets indented. 3 blocks at 4 spaces each are already 12 characters, so you get... 2 more characters on a 14 cell. That's useless, and means you'll be scrolling all the time.
siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
I use the orbit reader which is 20 and the braille me which is also 20 and I like it. It’s small and readable and fits comfortably in my lap and I sit and relax and read
wappingite 1 points 2y ago
Hi there-

selling one here used from the UK if you're interested?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293940838595

it's 70 cell.
PeapodFroggie 1 points 2y ago
I would definitely try to take into account how the different displays scroll. I am very happy with a 20-cell display, but I got one without thumb-keys and I really hate it because I get problems in my fingers and wrists from either (a) having to raise my fingers from the display to press a scroll button, or (b) needing to use two hands while reading to get the scrolling done. I agree with the other person who commented about code requiring a larger display probably, but just in terms of regular reading, I went through over a thousand books with an 18-cell display. But if the scrolling isn't comfortable, then the smaller the display, the faster things will get uncomfy. Of course not everyone will have my experience. However, I just want to prevent anyone from having the same problem I did. I used to read a ton of books, and now I hardly read braille just because I despise the scrolling method on the display that I got. I hope you find the perfect display for you! I'm looking into purchasing the Chameleon or Mantis display next, personally. The Chameleon is 20 cells and the Mantis 40. They both have thumb-keys which I find to be the most comfortable for when you know you'll be on the display a lot.
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