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Be nice! It works. (self.Blind)
submitted by DrillInstructorJan
So recently we've had someone come by and ask for help with a website, and I thought that at least one of the reactions was worth discussing.
Becoming all shouty at someone asking for help with something is not healthy for you, nor is it very helpful to everyone else. Someone who was at peace with themselves would not get angry at that. They'd just flip the virtual page.
Yelling just makes us all look like agitators. If you take this attitude out into the world, you will find people discriminate against you not because you're blind, but because you're going into every situation with a super sized chip on your shoulder, looking for trouble. You risk alienating nice and well meaning people. You give ammunition to people who have agendas you don't like. It's incredibly counterproductive.
I spent the first roughly half of my life with perfect sight and I therefore have a perspective on this that people who were born blind might lack. In my experience the world is not generally out to get you, keep you down, disadvantage you or otherwise kick you in the teeth. Especially these days, it's almost the other way. If you play it right you're almost a status symbol, and while that isn't what I'd necessarily prefer, I'd rather be a token than a jobseeker. Don't make perfect the enemy of good.
The people who report having the most trouble with this stuff are the people who walk into job interviews with their politics almost literally written on a T-shirt. It's the same with a lot of the woke agenda. People spray their politics around in the assumption that the world is out to get them when it wasn't... at least until they started yelling at everyone about how unfair they're being, when they really aren't being unfair at all. And now they're irritated and don't like you.
In the end if any blind person is finding it hard to get a job, maybe consider how you come off when you walk into an office. You exist in a sighted world, deal with it. Be in shape, well put together, clean and tidy, well prepared, and do not instantly assume that anyone who asks you for a favour is evil. Most people aren't, and if you assume they are, you've just made everyone else look bad.
Becoming all shouty at someone asking for help with something is not healthy for you, nor is it very helpful to everyone else. Someone who was at peace with themselves would not get angry at that. They'd just flip the virtual page.
Yelling just makes us all look like agitators. If you take this attitude out into the world, you will find people discriminate against you not because you're blind, but because you're going into every situation with a super sized chip on your shoulder, looking for trouble. You risk alienating nice and well meaning people. You give ammunition to people who have agendas you don't like. It's incredibly counterproductive.
I spent the first roughly half of my life with perfect sight and I therefore have a perspective on this that people who were born blind might lack. In my experience the world is not generally out to get you, keep you down, disadvantage you or otherwise kick you in the teeth. Especially these days, it's almost the other way. If you play it right you're almost a status symbol, and while that isn't what I'd necessarily prefer, I'd rather be a token than a jobseeker. Don't make perfect the enemy of good.
The people who report having the most trouble with this stuff are the people who walk into job interviews with their politics almost literally written on a T-shirt. It's the same with a lot of the woke agenda. People spray their politics around in the assumption that the world is out to get them when it wasn't... at least until they started yelling at everyone about how unfair they're being, when they really aren't being unfair at all. And now they're irritated and don't like you.
In the end if any blind person is finding it hard to get a job, maybe consider how you come off when you walk into an office. You exist in a sighted world, deal with it. Be in shape, well put together, clean and tidy, well prepared, and do not instantly assume that anyone who asks you for a favour is evil. Most people aren't, and if you assume they are, you've just made everyone else look bad.
modulus 5 points 2y ago
There's something to having a positive attitude. As the saying goes, if everyone you meet is an arsehole, the problem might be with you. But then there's reality too.
Most people are not out to get you. They simply do not care one way or another. Changing their minds, examining their prejudices and so on would take work, and thought. The typical reaction is not to want to do that work. "Oh, but how's she going to use a computer? She can't see the screen. Next applicant, please."
I understand why some say society favours us. People say they care about disabled people all the time. There are organisations to help us. There are public programmes. There are laws. Clearly this means everyone wants only our good.
So then why is reality what it is?
Most people do not care, but they would rather be seen as caring. Here and there, they say something or do a bare minimum that lets them appear as caring. After that, any demand that things actually change is seen as unbearably burdensome. "You mean my food delivery site has to be accessible? Can't they ask a sighted friend to order?"
And here we are.
Ah, forgot to say: looking nice is good, seeming competent is good. In the end, it mostly won't matter. Because, "She can't see the screen." That's all there is. You can make your chances infinitesimally better by looking more professional, but you're still fighting against almost impossible odds.
And being nice? It's no coincidence that nice originally meant foolish.
Most people are not out to get you. They simply do not care one way or another. Changing their minds, examining their prejudices and so on would take work, and thought. The typical reaction is not to want to do that work. "Oh, but how's she going to use a computer? She can't see the screen. Next applicant, please."
I understand why some say society favours us. People say they care about disabled people all the time. There are organisations to help us. There are public programmes. There are laws. Clearly this means everyone wants only our good.
So then why is reality what it is?
Most people do not care, but they would rather be seen as caring. Here and there, they say something or do a bare minimum that lets them appear as caring. After that, any demand that things actually change is seen as unbearably burdensome. "You mean my food delivery site has to be accessible? Can't they ask a sighted friend to order?"
And here we are.
Ah, forgot to say: looking nice is good, seeming competent is good. In the end, it mostly won't matter. Because, "She can't see the screen." That's all there is. You can make your chances infinitesimally better by looking more professional, but you're still fighting against almost impossible odds.
And being nice? It's no coincidence that nice originally meant foolish.
bradley22 1 points 2y ago
There's something to having a positive attitude. As the saying goes, if everyone you meet is an arsehole, the problem might be with you. But then there's reality too.
There is.
Most people are not out to get you. They simply do not care one way or another. Changing their minds, examining their prejudices and so on would take work, and thought. The typical reaction is not to want to do that work. "Oh, but how's she going to use a computer? She can't see the screen. Next applicant, please."
I've not looked for a job but that wouldn't surprise me.
I understand why some say society favours us.
They do? I don't know where you live but i've never heard that.
People say they care about disabled people all the time. There are organisations to help us. There are public programmes. There are laws. Clearly this means everyone wants only our good.
So then why is reality what it is?
What reality is this? If you're talking about a job, I can't help you there but apart from that, I've lived 27 years with hardly any issues, oh family stuff and all that but when it comes to my blindness, I just try my best to work around it.
Most people do not care, but they would rather be seen as caring. Here and there, they say something or do a bare minimum that lets them appear as caring. After that, any demand that things actually change is seen as unbearably burdensome. "You mean my food delivery site has to be accessible? Can't they ask a sighted friend to order?"
And here we are.
I've used UberEats, and apps like that with no issues. As for websites being accessible, a lot of blind peple are going to hate me for this but websites not being as accessible as they could be; doesn't bother me at all. Would it be nice and will I send an email if I feel it's important enough, sure, but do I expect a response with a change on the way? NO, and if I want to I can do what you said and just call them.
Or; I can go to another website if one exists.
Ah, forgot to say: looking nice is good, seeming competent is good. In the end, it mostly won't matter. Because, "She can't see the screen." That's all there is. You can make your chances infinitesimally better by looking more professional, but you're still fighting against almost impossible odds.
I disagree, I don't intend on getting a job but will be volunteering in the future. Look, i've been told no, but ranting and all that won't get me anyware. It's basicly like talking to a brick wal, all I can do is move on and try again.
And being nice? It's no coincidence that nice originally meant foolish.
Then I'm foolish, but I'd rather be that than rant and rave when things don't go my way.
There is.
Most people are not out to get you. They simply do not care one way or another. Changing their minds, examining their prejudices and so on would take work, and thought. The typical reaction is not to want to do that work. "Oh, but how's she going to use a computer? She can't see the screen. Next applicant, please."
I've not looked for a job but that wouldn't surprise me.
I understand why some say society favours us.
They do? I don't know where you live but i've never heard that.
People say they care about disabled people all the time. There are organisations to help us. There are public programmes. There are laws. Clearly this means everyone wants only our good.
So then why is reality what it is?
What reality is this? If you're talking about a job, I can't help you there but apart from that, I've lived 27 years with hardly any issues, oh family stuff and all that but when it comes to my blindness, I just try my best to work around it.
Most people do not care, but they would rather be seen as caring. Here and there, they say something or do a bare minimum that lets them appear as caring. After that, any demand that things actually change is seen as unbearably burdensome. "You mean my food delivery site has to be accessible? Can't they ask a sighted friend to order?"
And here we are.
I've used UberEats, and apps like that with no issues. As for websites being accessible, a lot of blind peple are going to hate me for this but websites not being as accessible as they could be; doesn't bother me at all. Would it be nice and will I send an email if I feel it's important enough, sure, but do I expect a response with a change on the way? NO, and if I want to I can do what you said and just call them.
Or; I can go to another website if one exists.
Ah, forgot to say: looking nice is good, seeming competent is good. In the end, it mostly won't matter. Because, "She can't see the screen." That's all there is. You can make your chances infinitesimally better by looking more professional, but you're still fighting against almost impossible odds.
I disagree, I don't intend on getting a job but will be volunteering in the future. Look, i've been told no, but ranting and all that won't get me anyware. It's basicly like talking to a brick wal, all I can do is move on and try again.
And being nice? It's no coincidence that nice originally meant foolish.
Then I'm foolish, but I'd rather be that than rant and rave when things don't go my way.
modulus 2 points 2y ago
> I've not looked for a job but that wouldn't surprise me.
Good, you won't be surprised if or when you look for one. If you don't need one, that's great for you, but most people have difficulties without a job. It's not just the obvious: food, heating, housing takes money. It's also more intangible things: having to economically depend on someone else or on state grants that may evaporate any time, not having the social contacts that a job brings, not doing something useful and productive for society... Not to mention, not being seen as a burden by family, friends, and society at large.
> They do? I don't know where you live but i've never heard that.
You know this website thing we're posting on? The thread we're participating in starts with a post that says, and I quote:
> In my experience the world is not generally out to get you, keep you down, disadvantage you or otherwise kick you in the teeth. Especially these days, it's almost the other way.
I suppose you can read that differently from society favours us, but it's not an unreasonable way to interpret that.
> What reality is this?
The one I went on to explain.
> If you're talking about a job, I can't help you there but apart from that,
Let me stop you there. Apart from the main way that people have to earn money and participate in society, yeah, apart from the one thing which is used to measure people's contribution and assign access to resources, apart for that single minor little thing, it's all great. Well, wonderful, isn't it?
> I've lived 27 years with hardly any issues, oh family stuff and all that but when it comes to my blindness, I just try my best to work around it.
So do I. I expect so do we all. My best includes acknowledging that there are problems and doing my best to solve them, and many of these problems are too big to solve by myself, so that involves activism and politics.
> I've used UberEats, and apps like that with no issues.
Some work, some don't. It was an example. I can't imagine you haven't found any accessibility problem in the last 27 years.
> As for websites being accessible, a lot of blind peple are going to hate me for this but websites not being as accessible as they could be; doesn't bother me at all.
Great for you. It bothers me. It is an obstacle to participate in society in equal terms in a life that is already full of obstacles. If you don't want to care, that's definitely your choice, but mine is just as legitimate.
> I disagree, I don't intend on getting a job
So then what do you disagree on?
> but will be volunteering in the future.
Volunteering is a great way to signal to society that your time has no value.
> Look, i've been told no, but ranting and all that won't get me anyware. It's basicly like talking to a brick wal, all I can do is move on and try again.
No, that's not all you can do. You can fight back. You can protest. You can organise. You can, yes, agitate. You can resort to the courts, or the media, or direct action.
I don't know how you decided that the only thing you can do when society treats you unfairly is take it and lie down like a doormat, but this is not the way things change. Because, if you don't make it costly and annoying and unpleasant to treat you badly, that's how you will be treated.
Good, you won't be surprised if or when you look for one. If you don't need one, that's great for you, but most people have difficulties without a job. It's not just the obvious: food, heating, housing takes money. It's also more intangible things: having to economically depend on someone else or on state grants that may evaporate any time, not having the social contacts that a job brings, not doing something useful and productive for society... Not to mention, not being seen as a burden by family, friends, and society at large.
> They do? I don't know where you live but i've never heard that.
You know this website thing we're posting on? The thread we're participating in starts with a post that says, and I quote:
> In my experience the world is not generally out to get you, keep you down, disadvantage you or otherwise kick you in the teeth. Especially these days, it's almost the other way.
I suppose you can read that differently from society favours us, but it's not an unreasonable way to interpret that.
> What reality is this?
The one I went on to explain.
> If you're talking about a job, I can't help you there but apart from that,
Let me stop you there. Apart from the main way that people have to earn money and participate in society, yeah, apart from the one thing which is used to measure people's contribution and assign access to resources, apart for that single minor little thing, it's all great. Well, wonderful, isn't it?
> I've lived 27 years with hardly any issues, oh family stuff and all that but when it comes to my blindness, I just try my best to work around it.
So do I. I expect so do we all. My best includes acknowledging that there are problems and doing my best to solve them, and many of these problems are too big to solve by myself, so that involves activism and politics.
> I've used UberEats, and apps like that with no issues.
Some work, some don't. It was an example. I can't imagine you haven't found any accessibility problem in the last 27 years.
> As for websites being accessible, a lot of blind peple are going to hate me for this but websites not being as accessible as they could be; doesn't bother me at all.
Great for you. It bothers me. It is an obstacle to participate in society in equal terms in a life that is already full of obstacles. If you don't want to care, that's definitely your choice, but mine is just as legitimate.
> I disagree, I don't intend on getting a job
So then what do you disagree on?
> but will be volunteering in the future.
Volunteering is a great way to signal to society that your time has no value.
> Look, i've been told no, but ranting and all that won't get me anyware. It's basicly like talking to a brick wal, all I can do is move on and try again.
No, that's not all you can do. You can fight back. You can protest. You can organise. You can, yes, agitate. You can resort to the courts, or the media, or direct action.
I don't know how you decided that the only thing you can do when society treats you unfairly is take it and lie down like a doormat, but this is not the way things change. Because, if you don't make it costly and annoying and unpleasant to treat you badly, that's how you will be treated.
bradley22 1 points 2y ago
Good, you won't be surprised if or when you look for one. If you don't need one, that's great for you, but most people have difficulties without a job. It's not just the obvious: food, heating, housing takes money. It's also more intangible things: having to economically depend on someone else or on state grants that may evaporate any time, not having the social contacts that a job brings, not doing something useful and productive for society... Not to mention, not being seen as a burden by family, friends, and society at large.
I'm assuming you don't live where I do, the UK.
We don't really have grants here; there's some things and disability money but over all, i think there's more stuff in the states.
I know for a fact there's a lot more housing for the disabled there.
Who said i'd not be doing anything for society? I volunteer and help out where I can.
As for my family thinking I'm a berdon, nope, they don't think that.
In my experience the world is not generally out to get you, keep you down, disadvantage you or otherwise kick you in the teeth. Especially these days, it's almost the other way.
I suppose you can read that differently from society favours us, but it's not an unreasonable way to interpret that.
I didn't read it like that at all, I just read it as, we have it better than we did and yelling about things doesn't help.
Marching and things like that isn't really a thing here, it happens but it's rare.
society, yeah, apart from the one thing which is used to measure people's contribution and assign access to resources, apart for that single minor little thing, it's all great. Well, wonderful, isn't it?
Not always, no, but neither is it doom and gloom. You have a laptop/phone, you're able to write to me, i'm assuming you're able to put food in your belly and so on, so no, it's not all bad and I won't be one of those blind people who says it is. It could always be worse.
So do I. I expect so do we all. My best includes acknowledging that there are problems and doing my best to solve them, and many of these problems are too big to solve by myself, so that involves activism and politics.
Great, go for it.
Great for you. It bothers me. It is an obstacle to participate in society in equal terms in a life that is already full of obstacles. If you don't want to care, that's definitely your choice, but mine is just as legitimate.
It's not that I don't care, it's that there's other options and usually an email form where I can send them a quick email and get on with my day but I'm not going to phone for days on end or try to sue someone over it.
If those are things you want to do; go for it, perhaps you'll end up making some sights accessible.
I disagree, I don't intend on getting a job
So then what do you disagree on?
I can't remember.
but will be volunteering in the future.
Volunteering is a great way to signal to society that your time has no value.
That's not true at all, just because I'm not getting payed for my time does not mean that people don't apreciate it.
Volunteering can help so many people.
No, that's not all you can do. You can fight back. You can protest. You can organise. You can, yes, agitate. You can resort to the courts, or the media, or direct action.
I don't know how you decided that the only thing you can do when society treats you unfairly is take it and lie down like a doormat, but this is not the way things change. Because, if you don't make it costly and annoying and unpleasant to treat you badly, that's how you will be treated.
This is the thing though isn't ?it? People have not treated me so bad that I want to rant at them, i've had my issues with people but as I said; it's not all doom and gloom and I refuse to look at life that way.
I'm not a pushover, if I were; I'd not be replying to your comments, if I were I'd not have gone to America by myself, if I were, I'd not have learnt how to get around in London, if I were I'd have just sat on my arse doing nothing instead of volunteering.
I'm assuming you don't live where I do, the UK.
We don't really have grants here; there's some things and disability money but over all, i think there's more stuff in the states.
I know for a fact there's a lot more housing for the disabled there.
Who said i'd not be doing anything for society? I volunteer and help out where I can.
As for my family thinking I'm a berdon, nope, they don't think that.
In my experience the world is not generally out to get you, keep you down, disadvantage you or otherwise kick you in the teeth. Especially these days, it's almost the other way.
I suppose you can read that differently from society favours us, but it's not an unreasonable way to interpret that.
I didn't read it like that at all, I just read it as, we have it better than we did and yelling about things doesn't help.
Marching and things like that isn't really a thing here, it happens but it's rare.
society, yeah, apart from the one thing which is used to measure people's contribution and assign access to resources, apart for that single minor little thing, it's all great. Well, wonderful, isn't it?
Not always, no, but neither is it doom and gloom. You have a laptop/phone, you're able to write to me, i'm assuming you're able to put food in your belly and so on, so no, it's not all bad and I won't be one of those blind people who says it is. It could always be worse.
So do I. I expect so do we all. My best includes acknowledging that there are problems and doing my best to solve them, and many of these problems are too big to solve by myself, so that involves activism and politics.
Great, go for it.
Great for you. It bothers me. It is an obstacle to participate in society in equal terms in a life that is already full of obstacles. If you don't want to care, that's definitely your choice, but mine is just as legitimate.
It's not that I don't care, it's that there's other options and usually an email form where I can send them a quick email and get on with my day but I'm not going to phone for days on end or try to sue someone over it.
If those are things you want to do; go for it, perhaps you'll end up making some sights accessible.
I disagree, I don't intend on getting a job
So then what do you disagree on?
I can't remember.
but will be volunteering in the future.
Volunteering is a great way to signal to society that your time has no value.
That's not true at all, just because I'm not getting payed for my time does not mean that people don't apreciate it.
Volunteering can help so many people.
No, that's not all you can do. You can fight back. You can protest. You can organise. You can, yes, agitate. You can resort to the courts, or the media, or direct action.
I don't know how you decided that the only thing you can do when society treats you unfairly is take it and lie down like a doormat, but this is not the way things change. Because, if you don't make it costly and annoying and unpleasant to treat you badly, that's how you will be treated.
This is the thing though isn't ?it? People have not treated me so bad that I want to rant at them, i've had my issues with people but as I said; it's not all doom and gloom and I refuse to look at life that way.
I'm not a pushover, if I were; I'd not be replying to your comments, if I were I'd not have gone to America by myself, if I were, I'd not have learnt how to get around in London, if I were I'd have just sat on my arse doing nothing instead of volunteering.
DrillInstructorJan [OP] 0 points 2y ago
What do you expect everyone to get from this? That you think it's stupid to be polite and pleasant and fair to people? Okay, go into every encounter looking for every way you can to make people look bad, yell at everyone, wear your politics on your sleeve. See where it gets you. See where it gets all of us.
I know it feels good, I know you've taken a pile of crap in your life, but being some sort of shouty activist is absolutely never going to help you, it's never going to help anyone else, ever, no matter what the person you're shouting at thinks. All you're doing is making everyone equally pissed off.
I know it feels good, I know you've taken a pile of crap in your life, but being some sort of shouty activist is absolutely never going to help you, it's never going to help anyone else, ever, no matter what the person you're shouting at thinks. All you're doing is making everyone equally pissed off.
modulus 3 points 2y ago
Ah, so the be nice part is just for me. The be as aggressive as you like is for everyone else. Got it.
I don't know how I could have possibly be misread that way, but you've given it a great go. Let's take it piece by piece.
> What do you expect everyone to get from this?
That the world isn't on our side. That there's a thin line between being nice and being taken advantage of. That being a "shouty" activist or "political" isn't just a capricious choice, but a necessity for survival, and how most progress happens, by becoming too annoying to ignore.
> That you think it's stupid to be polite and pleasant and fair to people?
No. I think it's stupid to be polite and pleasant and fair to people who aren't being polite and pleasant and fair back. I did start my post by saying, "There's something to having a positive attitude." It's literally the first sentence. How you get from that to one should be impolite, unfair and unpleasant to everyone, says more about you than about my post.
> Okay, go into every encounter looking for every way you can to make people look bad, yell at everyone, wear your politics on your sleeve.
I don't have to go into every encounter looking for ways to make people look bad. They are incredibly good at doing that all by themselves without my help, spontaneously. I am, however, not going to pretend it didn't happen, or let it pass. If not being a doormat is political, then sign me up to the party. Politics is a necessity in such circumstances. I'm not going to draw analogies, but I'd like to know of social progress realised without any struggle or conflict. Power concedes nothing without a demand. Rings a bell?
> See where it gets you. See where it gets all of us.
So far, it got me to the little dignity that I have managed to wrest from the world, and disabled people more generally to be treated a bit more like we matter. I will keep at it.
> I know it feels good,
Not particularly. Do you think it's a lot of fun to go against the current? The easiest thing would be to take things quietly for the sake of harmony and peace, to not say the unpleasant thing that needs to be said.
> I know you've taken a pile of crap in your life,
Well, that's something. I thought the world was on our side and there were no problems to sort out. At least you admit that not everything is well. I would like you, if you can, to consider how things can move for the better, and how change happens. It is not usually a quiet thing. I don't think it can ever be.
> but being some sort of shouty activist is absolutely never going to help you, it's never going to help anyone else, ever, no matter what the person you're shouting at thinks. All you're doing is making everyone equally pissed off.
Ok, this is a pretty strong claim. Activism never did anything for anyone? Being loud is useless in a conflict? It's never useful to be aggressive in a negotiation, or trying to persuade someone?
That all sounds pretty unlikely to me, and I think, if you're honest with yourself, it will to you as well.
I don't know how I could have possibly be misread that way, but you've given it a great go. Let's take it piece by piece.
> What do you expect everyone to get from this?
That the world isn't on our side. That there's a thin line between being nice and being taken advantage of. That being a "shouty" activist or "political" isn't just a capricious choice, but a necessity for survival, and how most progress happens, by becoming too annoying to ignore.
> That you think it's stupid to be polite and pleasant and fair to people?
No. I think it's stupid to be polite and pleasant and fair to people who aren't being polite and pleasant and fair back. I did start my post by saying, "There's something to having a positive attitude." It's literally the first sentence. How you get from that to one should be impolite, unfair and unpleasant to everyone, says more about you than about my post.
> Okay, go into every encounter looking for every way you can to make people look bad, yell at everyone, wear your politics on your sleeve.
I don't have to go into every encounter looking for ways to make people look bad. They are incredibly good at doing that all by themselves without my help, spontaneously. I am, however, not going to pretend it didn't happen, or let it pass. If not being a doormat is political, then sign me up to the party. Politics is a necessity in such circumstances. I'm not going to draw analogies, but I'd like to know of social progress realised without any struggle or conflict. Power concedes nothing without a demand. Rings a bell?
> See where it gets you. See where it gets all of us.
So far, it got me to the little dignity that I have managed to wrest from the world, and disabled people more generally to be treated a bit more like we matter. I will keep at it.
> I know it feels good,
Not particularly. Do you think it's a lot of fun to go against the current? The easiest thing would be to take things quietly for the sake of harmony and peace, to not say the unpleasant thing that needs to be said.
> I know you've taken a pile of crap in your life,
Well, that's something. I thought the world was on our side and there were no problems to sort out. At least you admit that not everything is well. I would like you, if you can, to consider how things can move for the better, and how change happens. It is not usually a quiet thing. I don't think it can ever be.
> but being some sort of shouty activist is absolutely never going to help you, it's never going to help anyone else, ever, no matter what the person you're shouting at thinks. All you're doing is making everyone equally pissed off.
Ok, this is a pretty strong claim. Activism never did anything for anyone? Being loud is useless in a conflict? It's never useful to be aggressive in a negotiation, or trying to persuade someone?
That all sounds pretty unlikely to me, and I think, if you're honest with yourself, it will to you as well.
ColonelKepler 2 points 2y ago
I don't have much of substance to add, but $1 is very relevant.
modulus 1 points 2y ago
Agreed, that's a pretty good post.
DrillInstructorJan [OP] 0 points 2y ago
Who told you to be aggressive? I'm telling you not to be.
MostlyBlindGamer 5 points 2y ago
Hey, I hear paying for specialized work works pretty well too!
There's a lot to be said about having a positive attitude towards life in general and I know it makes a difference.
I do know I've been turned down for jobs I'd be excellent at, because of ignorance. I know I'd be excellent at those jobs, because I did get to do the same thing elsewhere.
A smile and a stiff upper lip will only get you so far.
There's a lot to be said about having a positive attitude towards life in general and I know it makes a difference.
I do know I've been turned down for jobs I'd be excellent at, because of ignorance. I know I'd be excellent at those jobs, because I did get to do the same thing elsewhere.
A smile and a stiff upper lip will only get you so far.
DrillInstructorJan [OP] 2 points 2y ago
It's true. In the end though you can't do much about those people. What we can do is avoid pissing everyone else off, which is what really worries me about this stuff. People end up annoying potential employers or friends who would have been fine and it's just not smart.
MostlyBlindGamer 2 points 2y ago
I get what you're saying, but you realize these people posting here aren't potential employers, right? They're literal freeloaders.
At best they're innocent and ignorant and don't realize the thing they need is a service you can go look for and pay for. It nothing else, that makes them bad professionals. If I need something done at work, I find out what company can best get it done, I don't go shouting from the rooftops.
At worst, they think we'll all be happy to I or time (I don't know about you, but I've been known to call it my precious time) just to help other VI people, out of the goodness of our hearts, thereby working for free.
Another possibility that I find even more disagreeable is that they think they're getting us, because they were the first company to decide they want to be closer to a particular market segment and are actually being charitable by getting free work from their prospective clients.
It's just that the people who built my car never asked me to test the pedals. They got a professional to do it. Then they put it on sale. Why should this be any different?
As far as friends or other people go, they don't get this kind of treatment. They're not trying to take advantage of me, so they deserve my understanding.
At best they're innocent and ignorant and don't realize the thing they need is a service you can go look for and pay for. It nothing else, that makes them bad professionals. If I need something done at work, I find out what company can best get it done, I don't go shouting from the rooftops.
At worst, they think we'll all be happy to I or time (I don't know about you, but I've been known to call it my precious time) just to help other VI people, out of the goodness of our hearts, thereby working for free.
Another possibility that I find even more disagreeable is that they think they're getting us, because they were the first company to decide they want to be closer to a particular market segment and are actually being charitable by getting free work from their prospective clients.
It's just that the people who built my car never asked me to test the pedals. They got a professional to do it. Then they put it on sale. Why should this be any different?
As far as friends or other people go, they don't get this kind of treatment. They're not trying to take advantage of me, so they deserve my understanding.
bradley22 0 points 2y ago
It’s quite simple, just move on.
I don’t mind testing websites if I want to, if I don’t want to I just move on and would recommend people who don’t want to test sites do the same.
I don’t mind testing websites if I want to, if I don’t want to I just move on and would recommend people who don’t want to test sites do the same.
MostlyBlindGamer 2 points 2y ago
I'm glad that works for you. I think it's worth informing people when they're misinformed about how things work.
AtDarkling 2 points 2y ago
Good post. I’d also like to point out that people coming here for free help/advice (“freeloaders”) is certainly not unique to this subreddit. Go to any specialized sub and you’ll see people seeking quick, free help. I work for a retail company and on its subreddit I often see customers asking questions there instead of calling the company and talking to someone that’s actually on the clock. But I don’t mind; usually I’m happy to help and if I don’t feel like it I just move on. But on no other sub do I see as much antagonism to well-meaning questions as I do here.
modulus 2 points 2y ago
People asking for free help is not so much the problem when it's not a general pattern, where people who are qualified to give that help professionally are not unemployed or underemployed because people expect to get it for free, and so on. That's the difference.
siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
Agreed completely go to some of the technical hobby theory subs I am. Tell me tell me type me type me. I just give up what would telling and antagonizing them do for me. I haven’t seen as mmuch on reddit on other subs the only. Other place is a sighted facebook group and they’re poor quality clique if you will.
bradley22 1 points 2y ago
Yeah, some peple are really angry on this sub and it's basicly for nothing. Person 1 didn't do their research, ok that's a bit irritating sure but it's not worth ranting and raving about, just skip the post.
CosmicBunny97 2 points 2y ago
Thank you. All of this should come across as common sense, really.
Remy_C 2 points 2y ago
I've been mostly blind all my life and agree with a hefty amount of this. There are terrible people out there, but they are hardly the default. And while you might still get porr reactions no matter how nice and put together you are, you'll get a lot more being decent than a dick nobody wants to be around.
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DrillInstructorJan [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Aw dragon, I so want to give you a big hug. I know that only helps so much but hey I'll do what I can. For what it's worth yeah I agree there's plenty in the world to get down about, it's just a case of finding the good stuff, and I'm still pretty convinced there is good stuff.
If it helps I've been there so maybe throw me a private message if you want.
If it helps I've been there so maybe throw me a private message if you want.
MostlyBlindGamer 2 points 2y ago
Hey, I have no doubt those people want you to be OK, but it's hard to deal with these things. It's also hard to deal with you, specifically. You don't seem open to people's advice. You've been rejecting it, even.
We can all change and adapt though. I want you to be OK and I believe you can work towards that.
We can all change and adapt though. I want you to be OK and I believe you can work towards that.
swissy_queen 1 points 2y ago
Sorry but if you are just completely negative it’s not gonna help you and suicide posts can be triggering for other people and you should go see a professional
siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
Totally agree with you or worse!!!!!! People think all blind people are like this shouty, unpleasant, rude, stupid, etc.... I had someone almost literally worship me because I was a nice understanding blind person. You’re the nicest blind person I met the others I met were rude to me. Well sorry to hear that sir. It’s like the attitude I thought all blind people were like that.
And agreed it’s easy to get sighted people on your side I have many and blind and sighted people look up to me and have a lot of respect for me. If you try a little that’s easy enough. I am also not your typical blind person I achieve and do a lot so yeah.... but a willing and go getter blind person and a very driven and one who’s out there and bold kind of attracts them.
And agreed it’s easy to get sighted people on your side I have many and blind and sighted people look up to me and have a lot of respect for me. If you try a little that’s easy enough. I am also not your typical blind person I achieve and do a lot so yeah.... but a willing and go getter blind person and a very driven and one who’s out there and bold kind of attracts them.
bradley22 1 points 2y ago
I completely agree.
The world is not out to get us, it’s hard to be blind sure, and sometimes it can be frustrating but it could always be worse.
I get that the person wanted to be payed but their anger does nothing but make it worse for them.
The world is not out to get us, it’s hard to be blind sure, and sometimes it can be frustrating but it could always be worse.
I get that the person wanted to be payed but their anger does nothing but make it worse for them.
bigmiracle 1 points 2y ago
How old were you when diagnosed, you say you lived half your life with great vision. Just curious because I'm 45 and have been conscious of the R Ppl for almost 10 years..
Ty and HpyNwYr
Ty and HpyNwYr
DrillInstructorJan [OP] 1 points 2y ago
I was 19 when I went blind so not a kid, but not really a full fledged adult. At least it doesn't seem that way to me looking back now!
What's an R ppl?
What's an R ppl?
bigmiracle 1 points 2y ago
Meant to write RP, Retinitis Pigmentosa, actually we learned this year that it's &where type2a and the Rp is a result 9f the Ushers. Ears ringing and some imbalance are also lots of fun TG ;)
DrillInstructorJan [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Oh right. I don't have RP, but I've met people who do. Happy new year to you too.
bigmiracle 1 points 2y ago
Same2U my friend, peace and love
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