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Smart home tech for visually impaired. (self.Blind)
submitted by CompilerError1128
Hi!

So I’m 16 years old. I’m moving out in two years and wanted to get a head start on things that could help me.

I’m very independent. I can do a lot of things on my own. In fact I play video games, build computers and program robots as hobbies. But there are still lots of things I can’t do on my own.

I’m wondering what could be useful as an independent young adult so I wouldn’t have to call up family.

The things I have issues doing on my own include:

- using a vacuum
- cleaning dishes
- leaving lights on (more of a bad habit than anything)
- cooking on a pan that’s not a fried egg
- using stoves, ovens, etc that use dials

A few of these may be obvious. A robot vacuum and a stove with a digital display (is that a thing?) but the others are obscure to me. I already have locks/lights.

Other than these, are there any other smart home devices that could be useful? Thank you. I greatly appreciate any and all help.
mehgcap 8 points 2y ago
First, I really love that you're willing to practice all this now. You seem to be motivated and excited to learn how to do things independently, which is great and will serve you well. Keep it up.

A lot of what you said is just practice. For instance, vacuuming is a lot of back and forth, listening for debris being sucked up. Use overlapping lanes so you don't miss parts of the floor, and go over areas until you hear no more debris so you don't have to do the whole room again. You will miss spots, your lanes will be off, and the detail work will be hard. Maybe consider paying a cleaner a few times a year just to get the bits you miss.

I'm not big on cooking, but only because others in the house honestly enjoy it, and I don't, so I let them do it. I can cook, though, so it's quite doable. You just have to do it a lot. Get used to how a cooked burger feels when you push down on it with a spatula, or how onions smell when they're cooked enough if you're sautéing them. As others have said, start with things that are safe if not cooked right. I'd also add that you should try meats, and have someone verify they're done so you can get used to the feel. A talking thermometer is a great tool to have, too.

Smart lights are good if you forget to turn them off. You can put them on motion sensors, have them turn off at night, have them turn off n minutes after going on, and so on. I use Homekit for this, but there are other platforms out there if you don't use iOS.
CompilerError1128 [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Sorry for the late reply. When it comes to vacuuming, I agree. Practice really is key. And ios/HomeKit is my life to be honest. Apple products have helped more than anything in life.
DrLuobo 4 points 2y ago
I recommend using a rice cooker for cooking! My rice cooker also has large, dedicated function physical buttons that click and beep when pressed, so it's easy to know what setting you are on. And it can do a lot more than just cook rice!

When I first lived by myself I was not comfortable using the stove in my apartment, so I used a rice cooker for a lot of cooking. You can put the rice (I used a dedicated measuring cup in the bag of rice so I wouldn't have to search for it every time) and filled the correct amount of water (say, 2x the same measuring cup used for the rice. Might need to play with this ratio for the kind of rice you have), and put the rice cooker's steamer basket on top with mixed vegetables. Big bag of frozen mixed veggies from Sam's or Costco works great, or cut/prep your own if you are comfortable with that. Season to taste. One button, and it will be ready in 40 minutes.

As for meat, some rice cookers have a sear option. So, a bit of oil in the bottom, one button, let it heat up, throw in the meat, don't touch for a couple minutes, turn once with tongs to get the other side, leave another couple minutes on that side. Take it out, put the rice+water in (no need to clean the pan - the stuck on bits will help flavor the rice) and put veggies and seared meat in the steamer basket. I would try to keep them separate but it will all cook with steam as the rice cooks so it's OK either way. When it beeps it will stay on a "keep warm" setting, I leave it for like 15 minutes to cool down, then serve up and dig in. 1 pan to wash (the rice cooker pan), plus the steamer basket, and any utensils/bowl/plate. I would get leftovers for lunch the next day too.

You can also use it for breakfast, same idea: put oatmeal in the rice cooker + correct milk amount and press the button for oatmeal. I would do this before showering and it would be ready when I was done.

Also, the robot vacuums, I have used a couple different ones, one roomba and another from another company. Both worked on hard floor and carpet. The difficulty is when it gets stuck somewhere hard to reach, under the bed or couch. Sometimes it would run on a schedule while I'm out of the house, and it would die or get stuck somewhere and I wouldn't know where it is for days.
CompilerError1128 [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Is there a specific brand/model of rice cooker you suggest? My family suggest using an insta pot/crock pot but I’m interested in trying a rice cooker.
DrLuobo 2 points 2y ago
It is an old Aroma rice cooker, I've had it for a long time, sorry but I do not know the model number. If I were to buy one now I would mainly look for something with physical dedicated function buttons, a veggie steamer basket (I think this is pretty standard), and a sear setting (may be standard today, I don't know). Someone got me an instant pot as a gift, but I like the rice cooker better because releasing the high pressure steam makes me a bit anxious. That and the lid drives me insane trying to lock it on properly. Hope that helps.
CompilerError1128 [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Oh ok, thanks! I’ll look around and see if I can find a good one.
niamhweking 3 points 2y ago
I would suggest a roomba, slow cooker/crockpot. Label where on a dial with 3d sticker or colour sticker the settings used the most. Get a Google home hub and smart bulbs for turning them on and off. Also starting off cooking, how about meal kits to get practicing where most of the prep is done for you until you get your skills up
CompilerError1128 [OP] 1 points 2y ago
I’ve never heard of cooking kits like that. I’ll look into them. And using 3D/colored stickers is a great idea.
niamhweking 2 points 2y ago
To be honest, I use the same temp on my oven and same setting on my clothes washer and dishwasher 90% of the time! Seems a waste of all the fancy things they can do! :)
siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
Agreed.that’s what I do too. Too lazy haha!
tasareinspace 3 points 2y ago
I used to work at the Carroll Center for the Blind, and they have a whole program that teaches VI people how to do these things. I didnt work in that department, but it's a really good program, and people come from all over to go to it, so you might want to look into seeing if your state's commission for the blind would pay for you to go to that kind of program (or their summer camp for 'kids approaching college age' which is really cool)

I also have a VI teenaged child who I'm teaching to do these things and for dishes and vacuum stuff, I find it's most effective to do a pattern that you know covers everything. Which can be tricky when you can't see it, but it's just muscle memory after you get into a good habit.

For the lights, we have Phillips Hue bulbs in some rooms and Phillips Wiz (much cheaper and just as good) in other rooms, and "Alexa, turn off all lights" is the end of the day routine.

For dials and buttons we've had to use bump dots (like on the microwave) and puff paint/fabric paint to create "markers" on the stove dials, I put lines on low, medium and high so she can feel where they are. Next time I buy a microwave, I'm going to get the Amazon Basics one because it's also compatible with Alexa. I haven't done much research into it, but I feel like there has to be a toaster oven or even a regular oven that you can use with Alexa too.

I also like to have her use a pan with a flat bottom and high sides when she cooks because that tends to keep things IN the pan even if you can't see, and use a wooden spoon to scoop toward the middle and then flatten out when she's frying and sauteeing things.
blackberrybunny 5 points 2y ago
I was a student at the Louisiana Center for the Blind, part of their 6 month program to teach us to be totally independent. Changed my life. I'm sure the center you worked at was equally as awesome.

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We had a cooking class, and once, a student was preparing ingredients from scratch to make a huge cake. She put the flour into a huge metal bowl and started mixing and mixing, but the ingredients kept going 'missing.' Turns out, apparently we had a huge metal bowl that was a giant colander-- with no handles, so there was no way to realize immediately that you had grabbed the wrong giant bowl for mixing! It must have been restaurant grade (sized) because I've never seen one like it anywhere else, ever.... we still laugh about what a huge mess it turned out to be!


I was going to come here and suggest an "Instant Pot" which is a fancy rice cooker, that is larger and works like a pressure cooker and also, you can actually bake stuff in it, if you get the right pans to go inside of it. Comes in 3, 6, and 8 quart sizes. My favorite cooking gadget!


Also, not sure if you know about this one, but we used to use 'click rulers' in our shop class. It's a metal devices with ridges on it that click for measuring lengths. This was before we had iphones and useful technology. Not sure if anyone uses the click ruler anymore...
CompilerError1128 [OP] 2 points 2y ago
I LOVE instant pots. I haven’t used one yet myself but my mom prepares amazing dinners in it and even makes yogurt in it. I’ve never heard of a click ruler though.
siriuslylupin6 2 points 2y ago
I was also going to say maybe a center I didn’t go to one, I had an ILS person come out and the result is you don’t really need me anyway haha! But yeah, for people struggling that would be useful.
CompilerError1128 [OP] 1 points 2y ago
I hear General Electric has a stove that works with alexa. I think it was there geneva models or something. I have a meeting with my commission for the blind counselor on Tuesday so I’ll be asking her about those kinds of programs. I wanna try philips hue but it’s kinda pricey so I’ll check out the philips wiz.

I like the idea of making tactile markers for buttons and dials. And I’ve been buying flat bottom/high side pans.

Thank you. This is so helpful.
retrolental_morose 2 points 2y ago
no-one's yet mentioned lights.
We have smart bulbs on timers and a couple indoor motion sensors. For outside again it's timed floods, only issue with those is changing the batteries twice a year or so.
siriuslylupin6 1 points 2y ago
I would say training center is your best bet or you be like me and be thrown out in the wild Wild West and you figure out the stuff I had never had formal training parents didn’t let me do anything but I guess I had ideas and watching and then bam! I had to sink or swim so I swam but some people handle that extremely well and some don’t I figured it out and good at figuring that stuff out honestly. I had to had someone show me or talk me through laundry I had a basic idea just wasn’t sure how to work machine but after once or twice I got good at it.
mariachiac 1 points 2y ago
Way to think ahead. As with everything, you just neeg practice. I cook, clean, and do loads of things independently. rice cookers, 'instant 'pots, and slow cookers can only get you so far. However, with practice, you can learn how to use a stove. Yes, you may burn yourself occasionally. However, with practice, it can happen less often. If you’re looking to control the temperature of the air condition unit in your home, you can invest in a Google nest thermostat. You can also look for any other thermostat that connects via Wi-Fi. You may need assistance in helping you getting that set up, but you’ll be able to control the temperature via your phone.
80percentaccurate 1 points 2y ago
What is your level of functional vision? Kudos to you for thinking about these things now! Everything you’ve listed is totally doable. Since you’re thinking about it now, this will allow you to look at an apartment or house that suits your needs for the things you know you aren’t as good at compared to struggling as you are getting used to living on your own.

If it helps, know that it’s a big learning curve for anyone who is learning to live away from home. One of the most stressful things for me was alotting when I had to go to the dining hall to eat. I wasn’t even caring for a full home yet, but it stressed me out having to decide when to eat because I was so used to just going to the dinner table and having food there ready to eat.

If you are worried about dishes, make sure your apartment has a dishwasher which will help significantly. Make sure to rinse your dishes as soon as you are done using them. It’s much easier getting the dishes clean if the food remains don’t have time to dry on them.

For vacuuming a robot vacuum is really nice, but you have to make sure everything is picked up off the floor including cords it could get caught on.

If you don’t need lights for yourself maybe just have whatever light you would like for esthetics on a timer so you don’t have to worry about turning it off and on then have a light or two you turn on when people come over. You can always throw those lights on a smart switch to do it by voice if you want.

For cooking, I don’t think digital displays are very easy because they often have flat cook tops that can be difficult to line pots and pans up on. I like gas the best. You can easily align pots and pans. You either get heat or no heat. You can hear the amount of heat you have set and there is much more feedback than what you would have on other types of stoves. If that’s particularly scary right now though just use a George Foreman grill or crockpot instead. There are lots of options for cooking with those two pieces of equipment without ever turning on the stove.

I love your motivation. If you stay this motivated you’ll figure it all out no problem. You just have to get some practice in.
CompilerError1128 [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Uhm, I’m not sure about an exact number but I think it was something like 20/1500 as of last summer’s checkup. And thanks. I like to be proactive.

The only thing that really stresses me more than getting an apartment is keeping the apartment. I have a good place picked out (hopefully it’s still available in two years) and it’s pretty cheap while still being pretty high quality. Most of the bills are even paid by the owner and not the client. Only issue is it’s hard to get a job when you’re visually impaired where I am. Most employees won’t hire for even the simplest of jobs, and disability payments won’t keep rent covered.

I can use a gas stove but it does scare me a bit, so I will be using alternatives.
BlakeBlues 1 points 2y ago
Are you working with a teacher? Cooking skills and dish washing are important, though you can make it easier with a dish washing machine. Vacuuming is hard, but I think sweeping is important and can help on uncarpeted areas. Do you have independent travel, workplace, etc skills?
CompilerError1128 [OP] 3 points 2y ago
No, I’m not working with a teacher. I was supposed to be doing cooking classes via my local commission for the blind/vocational rehab here in Oregon, but COVID prevented that, and my school’s class didn’t teach me anything. As for dishes, the hardest part for me is noticing tiny bits that according to my mom are “blatantly obvious” and “could ruin my dishes.” I have some workplace and travel skills but my O&M I structure is wanting to teach me how to ride a bus after we’re allowed to go back.
BlakeBlues 2 points 2y ago
Ahh, yes! The commissions are all really struggling to support their clients. I too miss pieces on dishes sometimes. Sometimes I double wash things to help. With cooking, an egg is a good start! Veggies are similar because you just need to cut them and heat them. I still struggle with cooking meat, but there are meat thermometers that are large print and audible.

And bus travel is super important bc we can't rely on walking always, and Uber becomes way too expensive~

You are looking ahead, which is huge!
CompilerError1128 [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Oh yeah I forgot about veggies. In fact I think I remember how to make peas and corn now that I think about it.
blackberrybunny 2 points 2y ago
How about a spiralizer, or an apple peeler, potato peeler thing that clamps onto the edge of a counter, and you have a crank on it, that peels the apple or potato or whatever you put in it.
BlakeBlues 1 points 2y ago
That helps! Broccoli, carrots, beans, rice, frozen veggies, grilled cheese, etc are all things you can eat that are hard to mess up and can still be eaten if underdone! Soup and chili are hard to mess up because you can let them cook longer to make sure everything is fully cooked. You got this!
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