Totally Blind people, what do you actually see?(self.Blind)
submitted by LaurenRossy1
Ive been asking this question to myself recently, and I have watched some videos and some people are like "imagine that you use your elbow to see, thats what we see, we just dont see anything" but I cant understand it completely, dont you see the same a sighted person sees when they close their eyes? Like, some kind of blackish, redish/brownish colour, or it is that you actually dont get to see ANYTHING at all? I am sorry but I can't understand this concept, it is so difficult to understand to me , and I would like someone to explain it to me, please
DrLuobo7 points2y ago
As someone who is totally blind in one eye, and still has some light perception in the other, I can say with certainty that it is not a black or brown or any color, there is just nothing. When I close my eyes, I see the blackness you describe with my seeing eye, but a total absence of anything on the other side.
quicksilver_foxheart4 points2y ago
not op (and hope i don't seem rude or anything) but does that mean that the 'seeing' eye knows the color black and so you see it in that eye when you close it but the other is nothingness? s
siriuslylupin63 points2y ago
That’s correct please read my response itself but yes. I once saw very limited but it’s as if your eye never and don’t exist imagine you never had eyes in the first place.
DrLuobo3 points2y ago
Basically. I was not born blind. I lost my sight completely in one eye at a young age, and the other eye was OK for a while, but eventually got worse. So, I'm fully aware of what I'm missing on the blind side, especially comparing one to the other. As people say, it is like trying to see out the back of your head. You just can't. That is what it is like on the blind side, nothing at all.
FantasticGlove7 points2y ago
Totally blind guy here. There is no Black. There is no brown. There's just nothing. It's like trying to imagine what you would see if you had eyes in the back of your head. Scientifically, that could never happen therefore, you'd see nothing.
LaurenRossy1 [OP]0 points2y ago
Oh my god, thank you so much for answering, but I swear to you, that Ive tried to imagine it a lot and it is really impossible to actually get it. Thank you so much for taking the time on answering❤
FantasticGlove3 points2y ago
I'm glad I could help. People are just curious and so I answer what I feel like answering. Have a great day.
macadamia_owl4 points2y ago
I went totally blind on left eye when i was 15 before i could read with that eye. To extremely simplify it I "see" Black with that eye but it's way deeper than any black color you can ever imagine. It's much scarier, deeper and darker compared to those when you just close your eyes this one is still so much brighter than blind black. Not even as black as sky in moonless black night when you go out somewhere where's there no other light. You cannot reproduce that even in 50% not even with simulation glasses, VR glasses, eye patch. Like you can't reproduce deafness when you have ability hearing you will be still seeing some tiny signals from retina even in pitch black room (that reddish, silver, colorful things on full blind eyes they're absent) like black OLED screen in black room just perfect black but you don't want to see it. When I was a kid I thought if I would just cover my eyes with dark material, face mask, close my eyes I would "see" the world the same as my grandfather did, i walked at home on purpose in pitch darkness to train myself and understand how it is without sight, yes i know naive.
Amonwilde4 points2y ago
It might help you to understand that seeing happens in the brain. If the brain hasn't experienced sight, then it doesn't have anything dedicated to seeing. (Well, you still have the equipment, but you need to have seen at some point for it to become active.) Try to imagine you have electroreception, or sensing the electricity in other organisms, which is a real thing that sharks and platypuses have. When you think about it, do you sense an absence of electricity? No, of course, not, you don't sense anything. You're not sensing an absence, either, it's just nothing. That's how it is to think about seeing when you've never seen. It's not a sense of absence, it's just nothing. It's not so much that you see nothing, it's that nothing happens when you think about seeing.
If people have had sight, they may see black, they may see nothing as decried above (I think this is kind of rare), or they may see hallucinations and artifacts, like floating lights and patterns and stuff, which is pretty common.
LaurenRossy1 [OP]0 points2y ago
Thank you so much for this great answer❤
Fridux3 points2y ago
As with everything else, the brain needs to learn to see, which for people who were born totally blind never happened. When people say it's exactly as if you tried to see out of your elbow that's the best description they can give. You cannot even imagine that because you've never had vision peripherals connected to the brain from there, which is exactly the same for congenitally blind people.
As someone who had sight in the past, and lost it 7 years ago, I do have hallucinations of seeing what my brain thinks is the world around me from my left vision field and white clouds on a black background in my right vision field. It started happening during my process of losing vision, and until recently I used to have the same hallucinations of seeing the world around me in my right eye as well, but for some reason now I only see the white clouds. I know it's not real vision because I can't, for example, see my phone's flashlight, which I remember being extremely bright, and in my hallucinations it's always day regardless of time. It's all very weird, but I do appreciate not living in complete darkness.
LaurenRossy1 [OP]0 points2y ago
Thank you so much for this great answer 💓💓💓❤❤❤❤
Marconius2 points2y ago
I had vision for 29 years before I lost it all suddenly with a retinal arterial occlusion, so I have visual context to put my visual experience or lack thereof in perspective.
For me, my vision is like a letterboxed movie; bands of dark stretching across that top and bottom of my visual field. The rest of my vision is a super dark and noisy field of grey, with some pinpricks of light flashing in and out randomly and rarely. The lowest 1% of my visual field can sense some movement and contrast, but nothing at all usable or functional in any way. The overall temperature of the grey noise changes with the overall brightness of where I am. I can sometimes sense sunlight versus a dark room, but the change has to be quite drastic to notice a difference.
When I initially lost my sight, I had Bonnat's syndrome, where huge fields of electric blue or intense fiery orange would appear in my central vision when I was sleeping. Those colors would infect my dreams and it was rather unsettling. The noise in my vision changes in activity when I'm falling asleep or waking up after a REM cycle, pulsing in time with my heartbeat before resolving back to just the dark TV static experience I have for the rest of the day.
I also had my left eye removed entirely when I was 2, so went through life monocular, and just never percieved anything from my left side. No memory of vision from there, so just nothing at all and defaulting to a singular view.
LaurenRossy1 [OP]1 points2y ago
Here's an award sir. With this one youll get a beautiful badge on your profile, too. Thanks for your complete answer!❤❤❤❤
RJHand2 points2y ago
Nothing. Not too hard to understand really, we see nothing. My retinas are detached. If you pull out a wire in a speaker, the speaker doesn't play music right? No music? No, its broken. Same with my eyes... I see nothing. Well not entirely true... If the lights are on, I can tell, but thats it. No colours, no shapes, no nothing. And I'm fine with that. Fuck sight.
LaurenRossy1 [OP]-1 points2y ago
But, if you can tell when the lights are on a off, then you must be able to see a colour or something right?
RJHand2 points2y ago
No. I can't. Never have, never will. No. God some people just don't get it do they.... Sigh.....
LaurenRossy1 [OP]-1 points2y ago
Then how can you tell when lights are on
RJHand2 points2y ago
The light, shines in my fucking eyes lol, I literally don't even know how explain it lmao I mean, how can you? You see it right? Colour and light are not interchangeable. Colour blind people exist too lol. Are you a troll?
[deleted]2 points2y ago
Hi :)
Good question. When people ask me this, the best way I can describe it is, imagine my eyes are ornaments, they look pretty, but don't do much.
siriuslylupin61 points2y ago
Sight is almost a foreign concept to someone who’s never see. I don’t see anything literally blip out of sight out of mind. I focus more on other senses if visual things are described then that’s great because I had very limited vision before. But as of now nothing no color. I see stuff but that’s the mind and because I already know the concept of sight for others it’s just other senses. I was having such a conversation on r/socionics and noted that blind people who’s never seen colors or anything can’t have synesthesia that includes vision at all if they never had that input. Same with awareness. If you’ve never developed it it is just like sight never existed in the first place. It’s not black it’s literally non-existent. Most time if I don’t think of visual I see nothing and I forget about vision honestly haha! Very capable blind person here and I use mostly other sensations.
Hey, I am sorry, but you might be confusing me with someone else, maybe?
keefklaar1 points2y ago
The one who declared us all inspirational, then called me evil when I called you out on it?
The who decided they could give advice to blind people despite not being Blind or VI?
The one who decided to be a part of a community because they have a blind fetish.
The one who wanted advice on dating a blind person?
Nope, I've pretty sure I know exactly who you are.
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LaurenRossy1 [OP]-2 points2y ago
Oh lord I cant believe what you are saying, I will contact reddit ASAP, it must have been a hacker or something like that. Thank you so much for telling Sir🤗🤗
keefklaar2 points2y ago
Blind person in a blind sub - their safe space - objects to being treated like a curiosity and your response is sarcasm.
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