Buying new technology: Laptop versus iPad(self.Blind)
submitted by sharemilk
hello!
I'm helping a family member who is almost fully blind. They need to update their tech from an ancient laptop running JAWS and I want to get some insight about what devices you all find most easy to use and accessible.
They're hoping to use the device mostly to browse the web, upload or watch videos on youtube, keep in touch with people, and edit documents. While they know the basics of both JAWS and VoiceOver, they're not the most tech savvy and I think the information overload and frequent inaccessibility of the internet can be overwhelming and discouraging.
I have a suspicion that an iPad with a keyboard might be our best option here because of the streamlined nature of apps. But I figured I'd check with you all so they can make the best possible choice. Any thoughts? I'm open to hearing it all!!
divgirlarb8 points2y ago
If they're only using it for leisure and not work. then I'd suggest going for an Ipad.
However, keep in mind that the only benefit of an ipad compared to an iphone is the large screen. So, if they don't really use the screen. Then you might want to go for an iPhone and a Bluetooth keyboard.
sharemilk [OP]1 points2y ago
It will be mostly for leisure and connection I think.
and good point about size. I have a suspicion that a larger screen might make using the device a little easier but we'll have to talk about that for sure.
thanks for your input!
TheBlindCreative3 points2y ago
Is this person using this computer for work, education, or leisure? If they are just using the device for leisure, I would just get an iPad since they are easier to use. While I can only speak to my own experience, iPads don’t last as long as computers. I suspect that the software of mobile devices just doesn’t keep up with the device hardware. If they have work and education needs, get a computer. I have always been a Windows user. JAWS and NVDA are great screen readers.
sharemilk [OP]1 points2y ago
hm, good point about the duration. Devices do usually start to crap out after 2-3 years.
And I've only just learned about NVDA after joining this sub. It seems like a solid program with great mission. Do you use JAWS and NVDA interchangeably?
[deleted]2 points2y ago
Hi :) if they are familiar with touch screens, then an Ipad is best. A bluetooth keyboard would be helpful, though.
bradley222 points2y ago
Personally I’d recommend a laptop, if they can use jaws; then NVdA should be quite easy.
For a phone I’d recommend an IPhone.
fawazar942 points2y ago
in addition to what other mentioned, editing documents on a laptop much easier and faster than on an iPad, but consuming intertaining content; youtube, netflix etc, great on the ipad. also the smart case with iPad is even better than the bluetooth keyboard.
sharemilk [OP]1 points2y ago
Yeah, I agree. Their old laptop is slow when it comes to internet access//running programs but I'm thinking keeping it around for editing documents is a good idea for that reason.
And oh? What do you prefer about the smart case over a bluetooth keyboard?
Fridux2 points2y ago
I don't currently own an iPad, and the last time I tried a Bluetooth keyboard on iPhone was in 2019 while my Windows computer was having warranty service and I was waiting for a brand new iMac to arrive, so the experience might have changed. However, as far as my experience is concerned, VoiceOver on iOS isn't well suited to be used with a keyboard. The controls are similar to those on MacOS, but since the devices themselves are touch-oriented they assume you can comfortably tap the screen on the general location where you wish to position the cursor, so unlike on MacOS there's no container hierarchy to make navigation with a keyboard easier, which means that, if you wish to highlight an element in the middle of the screen with the keyboard, and the element you wish to focus isn't easily accessible using the rotor, you'll have to skip half of the elements on the screen that come either before or after that.
I advise against using an iPhone as a desktop machine for browsing the web because all websites that have a mobile version offer that to iPhone users by default, and sometimes it's not trivial to request the desktop version, which in many situations means you end up missing features. The iPad used to have this problem as well, but as far as I know it does request the desktop versions of websites now.
As for laptops, I think that, for the purpose of navigating the web, a Windows laptop is more appropriate, and I say that as a Mac user, because VoiceOver on MacOS is very quirky as far as web browsing is concerned. It doesn't really matter what kind of laptop you get, as I ran Windows 10 with NVDA perfectly fine on a very low-end laptop with a 1.2Ghz dual core CPU, 4GB of RAM, and a 128GB SSD, after Apple stopped supporting my late-2011 MacBook Pro and before getting this iMac in 2019.
sharemilk [OP]1 points2y ago
good point about using a bluetooth keyboard on iOS. that must have been a little annoying, haha.
yeah, the desktop vs. mobile website design can be super variable. thankfully, I think if we were to use an iPad a good chunk of the uses would be app based.
thanks for your insight and all the details!
siriuslylupin62 points2y ago
I disagree much of the internet isn’t accessible more of it is actually I find that most places I can at least navigate if not really well. I am a very proficient technology person though and may even go in to teaching it. But I disagree that the internet is not blind friendly.
Also I think it’s a choice. I use a combo of both but recently because of taking a break from school I find I am mostly using my iphone and such. So yeah.
sharemilk [OP]1 points2y ago
I hear you and I'm actually really glad you're finding that to be the case!
I probably more meant that the internet is pretty inaccessible to this person right now. They grew up before computers were really common and while they're able to use them well enough I don't think they've kept up with the rapid rapid changes that have occurred in the last 10-15 years. As a result they'll often run into problems or situations that they don't have the tools to troubleshoot through. We're working on it though - the best way to learn to use a tool is to use it, haha.
thanks for your input, I really appreciate it!
siriuslylupin62 points2y ago
No problem. And yes that’s right. Practice is the only way through.
lcornwell12 points2y ago
I think that using NVDA would work for just that kind of thing, because one it's free. and two there is a lot of helpful people out there. It works with windows10 as well so i hope this helps.
sharemilk [OP]1 points2y ago
yeah, it seems like the NVDA community is really supportive and willing to help. I'm very interested in it and looking forward to learning more!
[deleted]1 points2y ago
This would be a great idea, indeed. The self-service checkouts are tricky, as are ATMs.
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