Hello guys! I have some questions that I’d like to ask to a blind person but I’m a shy person so here is the best place to me to ask it. If you don’t feel comfortable to answer that is okay and sorry.(self.Blind)
submitted by Jumpy-Tap-8723
I have so many questions.
I’m from Brazil, sometimes I see a blind person walking on the streets or a blind person trying to cross an avenue and I wonder, “Do they would like it if I offer some help to them or it would be offensive?” once I see a blind guy who was walking right in the direction of a gap but I was too far away so I couldn't do anything.
So I’d like to ask you some questions about the way I should act, etc...
1- If I see a blind person waiting for the bus for example (I really feel a desire to be their friends and have a chat, I don't know why) what should I do first? Just introduce myself would be a nice way? Like “Hello!!! How are you? I’m Max” because I wonder if they will not like it or something, or maybe they will not sense that I’m talking to them, I mean, what is the best way to approach you for the first time?
2- How would you like to be treated when you go outside, crossing a crosswalk, or wherever you go? If people offer you some help is that offensive in some way? Or you prefer to be left alone when you go out?
3- If there is some type of construction being made and there is no signal of that and you are going direct to some amount of sand or something, would be important someone comes to you and tell it? Or you you could tell that by the white cane?
4- What you don't actually like when not blind people are talking to you?
5- Which situations I should not offer you help when you are out on the streets?
6- Which situations should I offer you help when you are out on the streets?
7- If you have a guide dog and I see you for the first time, can I talk also with your dog? I know that I can't pet them, right? I have to keep a certain distance from the dog, right?
8- If I’m going to say goodbye to you, would you mind if I gently put my hand on your shoulder twice or it is better not?
Sorry, I know that it may sound like a silly question, but I really wanna know more about you guys, so I could better integrate into this group!
DariusA9212 points2y ago
About offering help, the best way is to ask if the person wants help. If the answer was positive then you can help. The thing that usually annoys us is when people help us without asking. For example, someone just grabbing us and pulling us to a direction that they think we want to go.
To get a blind person's attention I think it's better if you get close to the person and then start talking. In that case usually the blind person understands from the proximity of your voice that you are talking to them. If you have to talk to them from a distance jus use a polite phrase like "excuse me, blind lady/gentleman?"
I personally don't mind someone touching me on the shoulder for goodbye, but it's a personal thing. Some people may not like it. Also if you are a guy probably better not to do it to a blind woman.
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]6 points2y ago
It is unbelievable that there are people who just grab you guys in some other direction out of nowhere! geez!
Is that “blind” an okay term to refer to blind people or should I use “visual impaired” instead?
Thanks for your answer! It really helps :)
Makik06 points2y ago
(I'll use brazilian portuguese to answer this, since I'm brazilian as well).
Ok bora lá: Depende da pessoa, tom e contexto. Eu, por exemplo, me ofenderia de der chamada de "ceguinha", mas sei que, por essa ser minha identidade visual, é mais fácil ser chamada de "cega" do que "deficiente visual" (porque, convenhamos, ninguém usa esse termo por aqui). Se eu tivesse que escolher, preferiria ser chamada por "moça com a bengala", mas isso é uma questão pessoal minha.
(Vou aproveitar pra responder outras coisas aqui também pra não encher as respostas com comentário em outra língua): Se você vir algum deficiente visual de frente pra pista (pontos a mais se ele estiver batendo constantemente a bengala no chão), ele provavelmente está esperando alguém oferecer ajuda pra ele atravessar. Digo isso pq foi assim que fui ensinada nas aulas de orientação e mobilidade. Se a pessoa aceitar a ajuda,deixe que ele pegue em seu ombro/cotovelo, pois é mais fácil de nos orientarmos assim.
.... E eu particularmente detesto que me toquem (me referindo as batidinhas pra se despedir), sinto que tô tendo meu espaço pessoal invadido, principalmente por não poder ver a mão vindo. Mas pior do que isso é sair sem falar nada. Sério, nunca faça isso.. Se quiser pode me mandar DM pra perguntar mais coisas, apesar q o pessoal daqui já tá dando uma boa ajuda.
(PS: No Brasil, o termo usado para pessoas com pouca visão [meu caso] é baixa visão.)
DariusA924 points2y ago
No problem at all.
Oh there are such people. It has happened to me a few times. :)
The word "blind" is usually used for someone with no vision and "visually impaired" for people who have some sight left. Although people with a little sight are also sometimes called "legally blind". Meaning that law considers them blind. I'm not sure about the words used in Brazilian Portuguese.
zersiax2 points2y ago
If you aren't quite sure what word to use you could use some other, more neutral characteriscs. "excuse me ...sir? Gentleman using a cane?" or some such. Generally when people call me out, generally they will come up to me and then speak, which makes me pretty sure they are talking to me, and if it's further away and it's not directed, I just assume it's directed at me especially if I don't notice anyone else nearby. Sometimes that leads to false positives, but less often then you might think.
guitarandbooks8 points2y ago
Asking if somebody needs help is fine but please avoid just grabbing somebody or grabbing their cane etc.
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As far as a guide dog, when the dog is in harness, please do not touch the dog or talk to it as that can be very distracting for the dog. If the dog has his or her harness on, then they are working even if the dog has stopped walking.
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]1 points2y ago
Thank you so much for letting me know!!!! :)
TwoSunsRise4 points2y ago
Yes, offering help is nice. Sometimes blind people cannot see construction danger that's in their way or they may veer off course when crossing the street. Canes can only do so much. To get their attention, a touch to the elbow or side of the arm is OK. For dogs, you can't talk or interact with them since that will distract them and that can be dangerous for the blind person. Thank you for trying to help and reach out!
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]3 points2y ago
Wow! It is good to know! I thought I could at least talk with the dog! Thanks for letting me know and for the tips!
It is my pleasure to know more about it! Thanks to you!
TwoSunsRise2 points2y ago
You're welcome! Have a nice day.
RoadKill_11-1 points2y ago
You can talk to dogs? You should be a millionaire
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]1 points2y ago
Lol! Now that you said it looked so funny!
SugarPie893 points2y ago
I just wanted to say that most people who are considered blind and who use a cane can actually see to some degree, just not very well. Blindness is a spectrum. So while one person ma need help crossing the street, another might not. Always ask if we need help before doing anything. The cane is used to detect obstacles and any changes in the ground, so yes we would be able to tell if we were about to step into sand, or grass, or even a hole. If you really think someone could be in danger I would say its better to do something if you can. Personally I think I would like it if someone helped me catch the right bus but everyone is different. I would say just say hello and ask do you need help catching the bus? And go from there. :)
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]1 points2y ago
That was also a thorough answer! Thank you! I wasn't aware that most people who use a cane can actually see to some degree.
That was very helpful, thank you once more, and have a good one!
SugarPie891 points2y ago
Im happy to spread awareness :)
zersiax3 points2y ago
1- If I see a blind person waiting for the bus for example (I really feel a desire to be their friends and have a chat, I don't know why) what should I do first? Just introduce myself would be a nice way? Like “Hello!!! How are you? I’m Max” because I wonder if they will not like it or something, or maybe they will not sense that I’m talking to them, I mean, what is the best way to approach you for the first time?
\- I don't really think there is a catch-all answer for this one. Generally I would say , do what you would do to any other stranger. A good way to start might just be to call out a greeting and see if you get a response?
2- How would you like to be treated when you go outside, crossing a crosswalk, or wherever you go? If people offer you some help is that offensive in some way? Or you prefer to be left alone when you go out?
\- Generally, I would say don't help, at least initially. If you can see someone's obviously lost (walked back and forth on the same sbit of road several times, perhaps looking distressed) you can offer help, but take no for an answer if it is given; the person might be practicing or trying to find identifiable landmarks to learn a new route.
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3- If there is some type of construction being made and there is no signal of that and you are going direct to some amount of sand or something, would be important someone comes to you and tell it? Or you you could tell that by the white cane?
\- Again, this is pretty situational. Generally, the white cane SHOULD indicate this. However, if the person unknowingly walks under a sign or other demarcation that the white cane is not seeing, and the person is at risk of serious injury especially if thy appear distracted or walk rather quickly, calling out may not be a bad idea. Worst thing you'll get is an " I know, thanks".
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4- What you don't actually like when not blind people are talking to you?
\- I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly, do you mean what topics not to bring up?
5- Which situations I should not offer you help when you are out on the streets?
\- Generally that question is answered earlier already.Gnerally, sk if a person needs help if you think they are genuinely stuck or lost, but give time to make sure that is actually the case. In some cases the person might be trying to hail passer-bys, I'd say that is a pretty good indication they may need help.a
6- Which situations should I offer you help when you are out on the streets?
7- If you have a guide dog and I see you for the first time, can I talk also with your dog? I know that I can't pet them, right? I have to keep a certain distance from the dog, right?
\- This was already pointed out earlier in the thread, but essentially the dog should be considered as being not at all there until the owner tells you what to do or not to do. Talking, clicking at the dog, making eye contact etc. can all be distracting to a dog. Dogs love attention, especially the breeds that are often used for guide dogs, and thats why dog owners generally give the dog plenty of time to just be a dog and play with other dogs and other humans, but when harnessed, such distractions can be pretty dangerous. Even if the dog initiates contact, which they will at times; they aren't rrobots and enjoy attention, try to ignore it entirely , as engaging will make the dog jerk towards you, which will also jerk the person attached to it around. Dog will love it. Owner ...not so much. :)
8- If I’m going to say goodbye to you, would you mind if I gently put my hand on your shoulder twice or it is better not?
\- That is an odd way of saying goodbye to me, but perhaps its a Brasilian way of saying goodbye? here we tend to shake hands ...or well ...we did, and then 2020 happened ;)
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]1 points2y ago
I thank you so much for the time you have taken to answer all these questions!
You can't imagine how pleased I’m now for knowing that.
I’m gonna definitely follow your advice whenever I come across a blind person.
And yes! That is kinda a Brazilian way of saying goodbye but not for all Brazilians and some of them know that you must have a certain level of intimacy to do that. I actually asked this one because I was wondering how scary it could be to have a hand on your shoulder out of nowhere when this is not expected.
Once again, thank you! I’ve woken up this morning with a lot of nice answers which made my day.
Have a good one!
mehgcap2 points2y ago
I won't answer everything, as others have done a good job of covering your questions. By the way, thanks for taking the time to learn, rather than just assuming you know best. I've had someone grab my white cane and try to lead me by it. I'm very happy you're educating yourself before doing anything like that. :)
I wanted to touch on touching, because I think I have a different attitude than many. This may also be cultural; I'm in the United States, so keep that in mind. If someone wants to get my attention, speaking near me isn't generally enough, because I don't know if they are talking to me, or to someone else, or to a phone headset. I'm much happier if the person briefly touches my arm or shoulder or something, while speaking, as this clarifies things for me. For guiding, it's best to let me take your elbow; I'll follow about a step behind you, moving at your speed and shifting left or right as you do. Warn me of steps or curbs, because when I'm being guided, I will generally not be using my cane or dog. The cane can trip my guide, and the dog can't guide me while a person is doing the same thing.
Anyway, my point is that touching is fine in my book, so long as it's not excessive or inappropriate. For instance, I was at lunch at a restaurant with a large group once. Each time the waitress was addressing me, she'd briefly touch my back. It was incredibly nice, because I didn't have to endure the awkward pause after she looked at me and spoke, but I didn't know she was talking to me so didn't say anything. Just a quick tap, and there was no confusion.
That said, everyone is different, and there are plenty of reasons someone may prefer to not be touched at all. Again, too, there's culture. But in my book, removing ambiguity and confusion with a quick touch is something that's done often enough.
ukifrit2 points2y ago
it's okay to ofer help. It's not okay to push or pull me or grab my arm. It's fucking scary when people do that.
grinchnight142 points2y ago
Let me grab the arm, not the other way around, don't put your hands on me if I don't know you. It's just weird and not called for
audiovault_net2 points2y ago
Just writing to say how much I appreciate you hopping on here and asking the questions you have, and I intend to answer all of them the best that I can, if no one has by the time I am back/ able to sit down and write a reply.
Just be considerate as you are being in asking all these questions, don't make a big deal about the blindness and you are bound to do good, more often than not.
Cheers once again mate.
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]1 points2y ago
Hahaha que bom encontrar uma conterrânea por aqui!
Muito valiosa a informação de bater a bengala no chão, prestarei mais atenção nisso.
E poxa sério que tem gente que sai sem falar nada?
Bom saber da questão do cumprimento, porque geralmente o Brasileiro já tem esse ato por questões culturais, mas com alguém que possui essas condições visuais deve ser mesmo muito desconfortável!
Makik, muito obrigada, vou te chamar para perguntas mais uma ou duas coisinhas se n se importar rs!
Obrigado mais uma vez e um bomm dia!!
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]1 points2y ago
Thanks Darius!
Those details were really interesting for me.
Thanks for your help! Have a good one!
Jumpy-Tap-8723 [OP]1 points2y ago
Thanks for letting me know about it!
What if I’m a friend of a blind person and he or she invites me to their house! In this situation, I can talk and pet the dog, or still, I should not?
Thx :)
audiovault_net3 points2y ago
A dog's a dog, be it a guide or just your every day awesome creature. Pet it when you are at the person's house, as most dogs tend to enjoy petting, and if they don't for some reason, believe me you'd know.
The idea is when the dog is guiding, don't distract it, but when it's not working (doesn't have it's harness on) it's same as any other dog.
Only1lunatica1 points2y ago
it's technically always working so no
74bpa4 points2y ago
That's not really true, at home (or really whenever out of harness) my parents' guide dogs are pets.
Only1lunatica3 points2y ago
I know it can change from people to people but thought it was easier just to give the OP a simple answer. I guess the correct answer would be "not unless the owner gives you the green light to do so"
zersiax1 points2y ago
Depends on the type of guide dog as well, I would say. My guide dog stops eing a working dog in most respects when his harness is taken off, in which case pets please from everyone :) But yeah, for other types of assistance dogs it might be different, so I think a good rule of thumb is to ignore the dog entirely, act like it isn't there, until its owner gives you the scoop :)
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