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Court rules grocery store’s inaccessible website isn’t an ADA violation - The Winn-Dixie website isn't accessible for blind users with screen readers. (arstechnica.com)
submitted by Philo1927
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bionicmichster 5 points 2y ago
For what it’s worth, these lawsuits give me, a web designer/developer the ammunition I need to convince clients at our agency to be more inclusive from the outset and ensure we at bare minimum are hitting accessibility standards. It’s sad that companies can’t realize accessibility minimums are the right thing to do on a number of levels without the threat of a lawsuit, but I’m trying to take it as “progress is still progress” in some regards.
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bionicmichster 3 points 2y ago
You’d be surprised how many clients “don’t want to spend the time” on it. It’s shitty and I’ve had to fight clients tooth and nail just to let us do our jobs correctly before
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505Griffon 2 points 2y ago
Seems odd to me as I remember a few years back that Target was in the same situation with their website. They lost their case. I don't know enough about the details to make a true comparison. It might be that the NFB has better lawyers?

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lovethelabs 2 points 2y ago
Not surprised with 11th Circuit since it’s Alabama, Georgia, Florida. I hope SCOTUS picks this up. Amazon has no built in feature for alt text on product images themselves, very surprising.
thatblindgirl 1 points 2y ago
This seems strange to me as in the Domino’s Pizza case they ruled that an app is an extension of a property so must be accessible. Therefore, you would expect the website to be held to the same standards. This might come up for a peel
Winnmark 0 points 2y ago
I have extraordinarily complex feelings about this.
blackberrybunny -4 points 2y ago
How can this NOT be an ADA violation, when the law says website must be accessible? How was this ruled in Winn-Dixie's favor? I lived in AL for 2 decades. I hated that state and it's backwards ideology. We're talking decades in the past! And I am a native Floridian, and live there now. I thought FL was a little more sophisticated, but apparently we are not. Especially with our jackass governor, Ron DeSantis. What a jerk! I'm ashamed of my state sometimes. And I just don't see how W-D got away with this. We have their stores here, and let me tell you, they are dirty, and smelly, and pretty awful.

Surely they will make their site accessible for the blind. I mean, how damn hard can that be???? It's not like they have to get out there and break rocks with sledgehammers for 40 hours a week! They can sit in their air conditioned office chair with their coffee and write code to fix this!!
CloudyBeep 1 points 2y ago
The ADA does not mention web accessibility because it was passed in 1990.
blackberrybunny 2 points 2y ago
OMGosh, you are so right! I never thought of it that way!!!!
Just a couple of weeks ago, my mom was telling me that ALL of these websites were breaking the law, because they were not accessible to the blind. It never occurred to either of us that what you just said is true! I can't wait to tell her about this.
I feel SO STUPID!!! I should KNOW better--I'm 52! I witnessed the 'birth' of the Internet, back in the mid 90's, and onward. Shame on me!
Thank you for clarifying this for me. I feel like I had a real DOH! moment!
CloudyBeep 3 points 2y ago
The ADA says that "places of public accommodation" must be accessible. Companies argue that websites are not places, but disability rights groups have used the argument that 1) the internet was not envisaged when the ADA was being written, and 2) the writers of the ADA did not say that companies that had non-physical operations in 1990 were exempt.
blackberrybunny 2 points 2y ago
I will make sure to keep all of this in mind. I still can't believe i didn't realize all of this to start off with, LOL. Thanks.
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