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Language learning guide for Screenreader users (self.Blind)
submitted by zersiax
I have seen the topic of language learning come up now and again on this sub. Way back when, I also promised I'd stick all I know on the topic up on a page somewhere.

That is pretty much exactly what I did. This thing is pretty long (5000+ words), but everything has hierarchical headings so it should be easy enough to navigate with any screen reader.

I hope it helps people dodge around the pitfalls I myself ran into when I first started seriously looking into this topic :)

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zersiax [OP] 3 points 2y ago
I just updated the guide with a handful of changes, in part inspired by this thread:

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\- I have added DuoLingo to the tools section, explaining why I feel that in most cases you can do better.

\- I've added a "Productivity Hacks" section which goes into dealing with multilingual content, the use of VoiceOver Activities/NVDA Configuration profiles, the BrailleExtender, DualVoice and Tony's Enhancements addons as well as a few other bits and bops.

\- I have also added a description of a pretty cool trick where you can have speech in one language and braille in another using the NVDA Translate addon and a braille display.

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I'm glad so many of you like it and find it useful :)
Motya105 2 points 2y ago
Thanks so much for this guide! I found a Kanji Learning IOS app called Jakeipuu, (It’s an interface for WaniKani), that is fully accessible with VoiceOver and works well with Braille Displays. The ap is free. Please feel free to add it to your guide.
zersiax [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Oh :) very cool. WaniKani itself is not something I've played with an awful lot, as I recall the web interface could use some help, but its great to hear there's an accessible app for it. I'll add it to the Japanese section at the bottom when I have a second :)
Motya105 1 points 2y ago
Thanks!
blind_system 2 points 2y ago
For those of you using macOS, use VoiceOver activities to quickly switch between braille tables, this can be extended to handle several languages at once.
Unlikely-Database-27 2 points 2y ago
This is interesting read. One thing you may wanna also mention is Duolingo, it works great on ios and I believe its good on the website as well though I've never used it. Its good for pronunciation as a lot of it is translating stuff you hear. Thats what I'm currently using.
zersiax [OP] 2 points 2y ago
I'm glad you liked it :) I do mention Duolingo actually, in passing, when I talk about learning non-latin alphabets. I'm not a huge fan of DuoLingo and think Babbel outperforms it in almost every way in the languages it supports, but I can add it to the list for sure.
Unlikely-Database-27 1 points 2y ago
Interesting. I'll have to try that one to compare.
I'm only learning right now audibly, perhaps I should pull out my old focus 40 blue and try learning to read and by extension write as well.
zersiax [OP] 2 points 2y ago
If all you want to do is speak and listen, there's not much wrong with focusing mostly on audio. But you'll find that when you get past a particular amount of words and grammar concepts learned, it becomes more difficult to learn new ones because there's no easy way to look things up or reference things in a purely audio-based way of working. Duolingo will certainly teach you new words, but you can probably learn a whole lot faster if you supplement it with other things as well. Obviously, that also depends on the language you are learning and what resources exist for it. Spanish has a whole lot more going for it than Swahili, for example.
Unlikely-Database-27 1 points 2y ago
Yeah good point.
spmonkey123 2 points 2y ago
Thanks so much for this! It was fun to read and very informative. I have a friend who is learning ancient Greek and I always wonder how he does it. I am also interested in Greek stories more than Roman speeches but I took Latin in high school and thought it was fun. I'm curious, why don't you like duolingo aside from the fact that they're always changing they're web interface? I find the app very accessible and I like that there is a discussion for every sentence that you encounter.
zersiax [OP] 1 points 2y ago
While they have made the app more useful over the years, I feel there's generally better, more efficient methods out there to learn a language. It's ok for the very basics, but I've never liked its TTS, think it moves quite slowly and doesn't really explain why you're doing what you're doing very well, but that is just a personal preference :)
blind_system 1 points 2y ago
Question, do you need language tags to read braille in a specific language, or is that handled by the braille table?
zersiax [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Depends on the braille table, mostly. Most latin-based braille tables will have mappings for letters that language doesn't use; most accented letters are in the US English table for example, so in the vast majority of cases you should be ok if you set your braille table to your target language in those cases. Where non-latin alphabets are concerned, those will almost certainly not work with a latin-based table so in those cases, setting your braille table to the target language manually is required.

To my knowledge, language tags don't actually influence braille tables at all, so in all cases this would be a manual process. I just updated the guide with some tools to make switching between tables easier, which includes the tip on VoiceOver Activities :)
snow671 1 points 2y ago
Thank you so much for this! I'm going to check Babbel out.
zersiax [OP] 2 points 2y ago
You're welcome, I glad it was useful to you :) Please don't hesitate to ask if something is unclear :)
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zersiax [OP] 1 points 2y ago
Yeah, I am planning of adding a section on dealing with multilingual content where I will mention DualVoice, Tony's Enhancements and BrailleExtender as an update :)
TheBlindCreative 1 points 2y ago
Thank you for sharing these resources!!!
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zersiax [OP] 2 points 2y ago
Just how long it takes to get anywhere with Duolingo is generally why I discourage using it for too long. The gamification elements can really make it a lot easier to stick with it, though. Babbel, Clozemaster and Memrise do have some of that, but more in the sense that your "to review" pile grows to massive proportions if you don't regularly work on it. You could imagine weeds overrunning a garden as a way to keep yourself accountable? :)
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