Is there any truth to the notion that proficient screen reader users get things done quicker than sighted users?(self.Blind)
submitted by Altie-McAltface
I've heard this a lot. I think the logic goes like this: using keyboard shortcuts is faster than using a mouse, screen readers rely entirely on keyboard input, so using a screen reader is faster than using a mouse.
Is this true in your experience?
zersiax15 points2y ago
It very much depends on the task in question. The big difference is that screenreader users have to constantly make a lot of assumptions about what's happening anywhere on the screen they're not currently "looking" at. A screenreader can narrate one thing at a time, focus on one thing at a time, and anything else has to be explicitly navigated to. How fast this goes, and to what degree this is even necessary, depends on the medium, the tasks and even the individual user.
Can a screenreader user read faster than a sighted user? Given how fast some people have their speech rates set to, that wouldn't surprise me. Can a screenreader PROOFread faster than a sighted person? No, probably not, as a sighted user can instantly see all the squiggles and zip through them with the mouse, making a decision on how to handle the perceived spelling error.
Can a screenreader proofread more accurately than a sighted person? In some cases maybe, given auditory and braille reading is by character and not by word, making , say, a spelling error like tihs one easier to catch.
In a lot of cases where a screenreader user might be faster it will, as is mentioned above, be because of keyboard shortcuts, which screenreader users often depend on to get things done in a somewhat efficient way. Sighted users COULD learn these but often don't, which at times makes them slower. E.g. I can copy-paste files from one place to another pretty quickly with the keyboard, but a sighted person can probably select non-contiguous files faster given filetypes have icons.
So ...yes, there is some truth to it, particularly because a particular breed of screenreader users will always try to figure out ways to be faster/more efficient with the tools they have access to, but to what degree really depends on a thousand different tiny factors.
Fridux8 points2y ago
Depends on what kind of sighted user you're talking about. Proficient sighted users should perform better than proficient screen-reader users since they get to choose the device that best fits every situation whereas we have to stick with the keyboard no matter what. If, however, you are comparing proficient screen-reader users to average sighted users then that's not a fair comparison.
Personally I perform much worse as a screen-reader user than I did as a sighted user, and that's after 7 years of screen-reader use.
charliesdesk3 points2y ago
No. Things just aren’t that accessible to screenreaders. And by that I mean the web and websites and apps. So i would say using a screenreader is a great tool, but the internet isn’t there yet. You might be thinking of braille which can be read faster than a sighted reader using the various codes.
DrillInstructorJan3 points2y ago
Good grief no.
OK you could probably come up with some tortured example of how things are faster with a reader, but in general no, no way, not in a million million years. I have used computers with and without sight and absolutely the worst thing about it is how slow it is. If you're just typing on an email or document or something it's fine but not being able to skim read stuff or find things quickly is just killer.
If you haven't ever done it with good eyesight really, there is no comparison. Being blind slows you down in lots of ways and this is one of them. The thing I resent about it most is the time it takes.
mdizak2 points2y ago
Totally agreed. I used to be able to see, and now that I'm blind everything takes me far longer. And that's even when working with my own code and projects, it still takes probably 4 or 5 times longer to get things done as opposed to being able to see the screen.Not really on topic but related, another thing I also find is staying focused and concentrated is more difficult when you're blind, as there's only so much of screen reader constantly yelling at you ever second you can take before you break concentration and flip on a Youtube video or similar.Not to mention when I'm working with someone else's code, and modifying their system. Then I have to read through all their code and files via screen reader to try to understand the system, whereas just being able to skim everything with my eyes would be oh so much easier and fater.
DrillInstructorJan1 points2y ago
I totally get the thing about the computer endlessly talking at you. After a while that monotone voice just starts to get in your head and you have to stop. It's almost a headache but not quite. Sometimes I find if you change the pitch of the voice slightly up or down it can be a bit easier to keep going. For work the main thing for me is not being able to read music so if I have a two hour show to cover, I literally just have to sit for hours and go through it number by number while other people can just glance over the sheet music and look at the parts that involve them. I do it happily because the alternative is unemployment, but it would be nicer not to have to. I don't resent doing it, I resent the time it takes.
I think that people who say they would never want to take a magic pill and get sight are people who have never had it and don't know about this stuff.
CloudyBeep1 points2y ago
They could also be the people who happily use braille music, so going through music like this would not be a chore because it would take less time.
BlindLuck722 points2y ago
I agree with this. I was a power user before losing vision. A picture is worth a thousand words, I especially notice it when working with large tables of numbers and graphs, (I used to do data analytics)
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad to have a screen reader but for me it’s like mores code vs music. There is just way more data on a screen you can quickly digest if you have vision
DariusA923 points2y ago
Doubt it. Maybe in some things we are faster, but dealing with many accessibility problems that needs us to do some weird gymnastics to get pass them slows us down significantly.
Rethunker3 points2y ago
Sounds like a context-specific thing, but it’s a very interesting observation.
As someone who had worked on user interfaces and given presentations about windowing interfaces, command line interfaces, zooming interfaces, and so on, my gut feel is that if the screen reader user doesn’t have mobility limitations, and is very familiar with shortcuts, then yes, a proficient screen reader will perform navigational tasks faster than sighted users who are targeting items visually with a mouse.
That aside, navigating, using menu items for file operations, etc., will oftentimes take up a small fraction of the time spent on the PC. However, fast and efficient navigation is a good thing: the less time one spends on navigation the better.
Altie-McAltface [OP]2 points2y ago
I guess that's also a +1 for the command line then. It's pretty easy, actually too easy, to do an rm \*.txt and delete a bunch of files at once.
Rethunker1 points2y ago
Yes. Command line is similar, but the combination of command line and windows-based shortcuts brings a lot together.
macadamia_owl2 points2y ago
Not always depends on user, experience with screen reader, how application or website is accessible if even (it may not be at all), depends on task too, hands size (if you have smaller hands doing some key combos isn't easy bigger hands are advantage), speech speed, depends on system and device.
I mostly compared Windows PCs JAWS vs Zoomtext Magnifier or Magnifier/Reader, Supernova Access Suite. It was rehabilitation course for low vision and blind we had to learn all programs legally blind learned Braille and Braille readers too.
- I know some thinks in Excel are literally 2-3 mouse clicks and it's done with key combo it was like 5 key combinations and 3 menus to open i was slower than my classmate who used Zoomtext Magnifier with mouse. Some tasks were completely inaccessible to do with keyboard. Keystrokes were great for text editing much faster and less errors (making font bold or thin just with right combo without opening font properties window, precise text selection much faster: word, sentence, paragraphs, excel)
- Finding information on web: depends on magnification but mostly sighted ones are faster ones. There are lots of elements that i have to filter out, skip, headlines aren't labeled or even paragraphs, lots of ads and floating popups obscuring the focus cursor of screenreaders using internet explorer... I can manage those problems with add-ons on my personal devices but if I'm at work or school when installing anything no default is forbidden i have to deal with it. Some websites were completely inaccessible to screenreaders even on iPhones so mouse users had to do some tasks.
- homework mouse users, (printing, shutting down PC, closing opening apps, navigation in menus, creating new folder) keyboard users Actually typing text keyboard users are faster because we're so much used to layout we have the muscular memory we don't have to look with eyes to type, to type with two fingers, to switch dominant hand between keyboard and mouse losing contact.
It takes so much more time to learn and memorize, often keystrokes are changing with updates.
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