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Full History - 2021 - 08 - 12 - ID#p2smom
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I’m not a fan of the blind comunity (self.Blind)
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So, I debated with myself on if I should post this or not, and finally said screw it, and here we are.

Now, let me just say that me saying that I’m not a fan of the blind comunity has more to do with my experience, and that most of you have had better people to work with then me.

Anyways, my family and I never had help from any blind services, like the lighthouse or fsdb, Florida school for the def and blind. Instead, we made everything up as we went.

Sighted guid was used by shoulder, and a signal to stop was a simple tap, to go left or right was a simple following where the shoulder turned.

Microwave was used by sheer memory, and I’m still surprised I can do that to this day.

Shampoo and body wash, skratch it with a knife or key.

The reason I bring this up is because when I went to the lighthouse in my local area during my softmore/senior year in Highschool, I was told that that wasn’t how people in the camunity did things, and practically forced me to do things their way, despite me telling them that I did things in this way, but they refused to listen.

When I was sent to the fsdb, things got worse from there, everyone treated me like a child, despite me being 20 years old at the time, refused to challenge me in anything, and didn’t teach me shit.

Oh, and I can’t read brail to save my life, the reason? Too many crapy teachers, one of which fell asleep in a meeting with my folks.

I’m not trying to bash the camunity as a whole, I’m just saying from an outside perspective, they’re petty and demanding, at least, in my area.

So, yeah, i Just needed to let all that stuff out, and sorry if any of this upsetted you. Just wish the camunity was more flexible.
rumster 14 points 1y ago
I partially agree with you but I don't think the entire community sucks but more often sectors in certain states are horrible. Don't forget people are people and they push their own opinions on others especially the young. Which makes sense in your frustrations.
Eternal-wizard-1942 3 points 1y ago
Like I said at the end, I’m not trying to bash the entire camunity, just the one I had experienced in.
rumster 8 points 1y ago
yeah i get it.
rkingett 9 points 1y ago
It sounds like you didn't experience the community, just institutions. This is probably why our community is very individualistic and, quite frankly, Ableist ourselves.
Raf_AL 9 points 1y ago
Sorry to hear you've had a bad experience with the blind community.

I was probably lucky to be integrated into a public school instead of the school for the blind in the country I live even though being bullied was painful at the time.

I visited the school for the blind a few times and to be honest it just felt like a kindergarten when I went there. Most students had other disabilities besides blindness so I never found too many friends to talk about my visual impairment. There was usually a specific way to do things as well, which was a bit frustrating.

Now that I'm older and have been part of an organization for the blind, which sees my potential I can finally appreciate the blind community for its good parts instead of resenting it for simply being different.

I don't think you should change how you do stuff if it works fine for you unless you do something in a way that makes the task at hand more dangerous for you. Take all the things people want to teach you as suggestions.

Feel free to pm me if you want to talk as well.
hopesthoughts 2 points 1y ago
You know what? When I visited my state's school for the blind a year before going there, it really felt like a mental institution. I was remanded there by my district when I was 17 without any choice whatsoever.
Yeah I started when I was 18, but I still didn't have a choice because the decision was already made for me. I even had to partially forfeit my diploma to go there. Thankfully, I got my full diploma after I was finished with my 3 year sentence.
Raf_AL 1 points 1y ago
I don't know if I should be glad or sad that someone else feels like I do for schools for the blind.

I can at least give you congrats on getting your diploma in the end.
hopesthoughts 2 points 1y ago
The diploma thing was a totally ridiculous legal loophole. I couldn't go to the school with a full diploma, even though I was completely on track to get one. I had to take an incomplete in one of my finals. When I went back to get the full diploma I was actually supposed to have gotten, I asked how I did on the test. The lady who handed me the diploma said I got an A.
hopesthoughts 2 points 1y ago
Well this one was definitely a mental institution. I'm actually glad it doesn't exist anymore.
Criptedinyourcloset 7 points 1y ago
Personally. I think this is more of a Florida problem than anything. Are used to live in Florida, and the services they are suck. That’s just from experience. Right now, I live in Colorado where the services are great and my blind school is actually willing to challenge me and treats us as much as normal students as possible. Of course everyone has their own needs but they accommodate you and challenge you to the best of your abilities.
yourmommaisaunicorn 2 points 1y ago
Was going to say the same thing. I lived in the Midwest all my life and disability services varies across states. From my friends, Colorado has always had the best services.

For example, some states will pay for college while others won’t.
Eternal-wizard-1942 1 points 1y ago
That makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. However I’ve never had the chance to leave the state, but that might change in the near feuture, family’s wanting to book it to somewhere else for a thousand reasons. I just want to see the rest of the world to be honest.
Criptedinyourcloset 1 points 1y ago
Honestly, I just got back from a two week vacation in Florida and I can agree. It’s too hot over there, too humid, and it’s just getting crazier by the day. Sure it’s getting Hella crazy up here as well, but at least we know how to manage the craziness a little bit better. I want the whole thing about paying for college thing definitely. One of my friends who lives up here got our department of vocational rehab to pay for her schooling. They’re great.
FaerilyRowanwind 7 points 1y ago
I mean you seem to be doing fairly well and appear to be independent. And heck if you got a job then that’s just icing on the cake. Sometimes marching to the beat of ones own drum can work out pretty good. I wish you’d had better teachers in terms of braille but as long as you are successful for you and loving independently then that’s all that matters. (Teacher of Vi here) there are plenty who get all that training and then don’t go as far as they could have too.
Eternal-wizard-1942 3 points 1y ago
Yeah, I’m just waiting for this kovid stuff to blow over, but it seems like that won’t be happening anytime soon, sigh.

As for living independently, I’m not sure if it counts if I’m living with my folks to support them.
FaerilyRowanwind 3 points 1y ago
Do you feel you are taking care of your own wants and needs and have the ability to do that without other people? If yes then you are independent as far as I’m concerned. Of course with leeway for help as needed for the things one just couldn’t do like drive
Eternal-wizard-1942 3 points 1y ago
For the most part yeah, only problem I have is money managing, which to this day I still can’t wrap my head around, no matter how much I try, shrugs, guess it’s just one of those things.
jasondbk 4 points 1y ago
Is the problem with money management the tasks of keeping a record of income and expenses, handling the money. Or is the problem of not controlling what you spend, using too much credit.
Part of this could be learning skills that most people learn eventually and most people can give advice, assistance. And part of it is learning how to manage money. There are professionals who can help you learn more about this. Just watch out for people trying to scam you.
jasondbk 5 points 1y ago
It sounds like the teachers at these facilities need to take classes that used to be reserved for Special Ed students. They now teach this to all prospective teachers.

What are these classes? How to teach one topic in multiple ways because all students learn differently. Even with “normal” students some learn by reading, some by watching, some by doing, some by explaining it to someone else.

Any teacher who focuses on following their exact steps instead of the student achieving a goal isn’t helping students learn. (With exceptions for safety issues such as science experiments)
Eternal-wizard-1942 1 points 1y ago
That’s the school system as a whole, and one thing I can recall that was surprisingly perfect was the first middle school I went too, which was a public school. Anyways, the teachers I had completely understood that people learned differently, and challenged us and taught us in ways that worked for us. Even taught me how to sighn a check and The Whole banking thing in a way where it made a lot of sense, but that was nearly a decade ago and most of her teachings I forgot about. Once we moved to another part of Florida, everything went down hill.

It’s funny, I went from learning algebra to being popped down to simple devison, and wasn’t able to get back what I lost.

When I got to high school, I flat out begged my teacher to challenge me, and told him that even if I fail at something, I’m learning from my mistakes, but no, because I couldn’t show him what I knew, he refused.

It’s extreamly sad to be honest on how fucked up the system is here.
SoapyRiley 4 points 1y ago
Seems like it’s not really the blind community but the crappy people hired to work with the blind community. I think most of the people seem really nice about swapping ideas and coping skills and encouraging each other. I’ve learned to cope with my visual impairments 100% from blind folks and my own ingenuity because mine isn’t one that’s eligible for services. So I agree that the organizations kinda suck but the people are really cool.
CosmicBunny97 3 points 1y ago
I’m sorry you haven’t had good experiences. I’ve had good experiences with the blind community and the majority of my friends are blind or have low vision. I don’t think we should force people to do things a certain way though
serpentheo 3 points 1y ago
I'm personally not blind/visually impaired, but my boyfriend and our roommate is. I have noticed that the lighthouse does tend to have sort of a... Stuck up vibe to it, if that makes sense.

My boyfriend and roommate both got scholarships for college from them, and my roommate wasn't able to attend the ceremony because she had prior commitments. Suddenly, her scholarship was knocked down by a thousand dollars. Never fully confirmed whether or not it was because she didn't attend, but it was a strange coincidence. They did threaten to not give it to her at all if she didn't show.

Note: My roommate still has some vision. She can mostly see facial expressions if she focuses. She mentioned to me that one of the women interviewing her once rolled her eyes when she mentioned she has a guide dog from guide dogs for the blind.

While they're pretty decent help, they tend to rub me in the wrong way sometimes, so I'm really not surprised you didn't have the best experience with them.
niamhweking 6 points 1y ago
Sounds like the service issue in my country also. There are 2/3 competing services, neither helping each other and both trying to convince the public they're the better ones. It's all for government funding, so they have to claim they are the better one. The kids they serve could be falling through the cracks even though they kind of do different jobs they dobt really need to compete, or they could merge but there is too much history there. There is also very recent history of the blind being semi institutionalised here, special sheltered work and accommodation for them so some older staff would still have that frame of mind
Eternal-wizard-1942 3 points 1y ago
Yeah, sounds like something they’d do. For me, during my Highschool graduation, my lighthouse rented out the entire upstairs floor of this one place for a party for people who couldn’t make it to their graduation or something like that. Place felt to fancy for my tastes, but I think that’s just me.
Ant5477 2 points 1y ago
I would like to get you on my talk show, 3rd eye visions and allow you to express your opinion about this matter if you were interested
Eternal-wizard-1942 1 points 1y ago
Thank you for the offer, but I don’t feel that comfertible with the idea at the current time, though you can use the blog for your questions, and we can talk through pms/emails that you can put on your show if you wish.
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complex-blobfish 2 points 1y ago
i had a similar experience to you. i didn't have any support from services during my active sight loss either. i got my cane license and that was it.

during my cane training though, it was always explained that i was only being taught a baseline, and that i would have to find my own way to perfect how i use it.

when i began connecting with services later, it was the same. everything was always a suggestion to make something easier, or a solution to something i couldn't do safely. then i was encouraged to perfect the technique best for me.

i was offered a place in a blind college in my country, but i declined because the thought of being around hundreds of other blind people scared me at the time as i did things in a weird way. i had a group of blind friends, so i don't know why it put me off. i regret not going now though.

i find with all people, including those who have been in close relations with blind people, we have to be a little more assertive when telling people we are okay. people will always want to help.

i only buy blue shower gel, one person wanted me to use tactile rubber bands. but i didn't want people coming over to see them and question it, so i just said i see how that would be good but right now i don't need it. you don't have to take every suggestion and you shouldn't stay somewhere where people are forcing you to do anything.

you don't need to be in constant services, and TBH braille is becoming not necessary. if you don't feel like you need help with something, don't go to a class for it.

bad teachers have nothing to do with the blind community.

it sounds more like you don't like the services for blind people/ you don't like the attitude of sighted people towards blind people. in one or two institutions, in your area, in your state, in your country, on your continent. that does not sound like the whole community should be lumbered with this.

you are saying you don't like the blind community, but i am not even in your country, so what did i ever do to you?
Iamheno 2 points 1y ago
I’m glad you shared this! I start gad school in 2 weeks to become a VRT. As a person with RP and someone who’s done the same as you I’ll be an outsider myself. As I’ve been getting computer training my VRT has repeatedly pointed out it is to my advantage to think outside the box, and bring the thoughts into the community, it’s how the community can learn and grow.

‘Sorry you’ve had shitty experiences though. It reminds me of when I first started receiving services. In 2011, I was given a computer and the ZoomText software (not even loaded on the PC) and told I’d be able to figure it out, I really didn’t though.
Eternal-wizard-1942 2 points 1y ago
Ha, wow, when I was being given typing lessons, I had to repeatedly fix the zoom to where it didn’t make my eyes jump around like a bobble head, but at least she was one of the better ones that actually made an attempt at actually teaching me something, very sweet woman.
Iamheno 1 points 1y ago
My current Computer VRT is great! I’m learning Fusion and it’s fantastic. But basically all I did before was flip the colors and lean in REALLY CLOSE to the monitor so I could see what I was typing. Now I can sit back comfortably and relax. I’m practicing on not even touching the mouse anymore.
oncenightvaler 1 points 1y ago
Hey so I found I could read your post but you would have better spelling, and grammar if you were able to read in Braille.

The other things you mentioned are great ways to adapt (personally I have buttons marked with stickers on my microwave and some Braille on my oven)

However I strongly recommend you get an education in Braille, I think it will make you feel more independent.

I am from Ontario Canada, and had several great teachers including an assistant who helped me from kindergarten to grade 12 who I still see often as a friend and mentour. I have a degree in English literature thanks in large part to my love of Braille.

I am currently looking for jobs, perhaps in a customer service field, or handling phones for the police/ambulance.

I hope you can find whatever assistance you need in order to function well and I applaud your family for all their help they gave.
okraSmuggler 1 points 1y ago
Ok, see you later then.
chinakow -6 points 1y ago
Cool story bro.

How much culpability do you bear in this?
Eternal-wizard-1942 2 points 1y ago
I’m being completly serious when I say none, and you can choose to believe me or not, but the people I’ve talked to have agreed with me and say that it was the worste experience they’ve ever had. Again, you can choose to believe me or not.
chinakow 9 points 1y ago
Sarcasm aside, It sounds more like you had a few bad experiences with blind services in your area and not with the community as a whole. Having an instructor fall asleep in the middle of a lesson is pretty bad.

You original post reads like you walked into a weightlifting class and then got mad when you where told to lift heavy things.

I can tell you that I have taught myself to read grade 2 braille through indomitability and time.

In addition, the community here tends toward supportiveness and the other communities I participate in with blind themes are generally fairly good.

Blindness is not a club in and of itself. It is normally distributed in the general population so that means it has people who are self-entitled co-dependant jerks and also people who would give you the shirt off of their back. So I am just saying, maybe don't condemn all blind people based on one state's worth of services.

Also, memorizing a flat and featureless microwave panel is something that impresses me.
hopesthoughts 1 points 1y ago
Nah, it's kind of like a club. That's fine though, everything is these days.
Vicorin 1 points 1y ago
Idk I haven’t been able to last more than a couple months at a training center. The instructors are often demeaning, incompetent, or both. I’m 24 years old, I don’t need someone who is 28 calling me and other adults her kids. I don’t need someone yelling in my face because I stepped out to get a food delivery during a 4 hour virtual convention. I don’t need to clean a grill because there’s nothing else going on. I don’t need someone telling me to literally google resume tips. This has been my experience at the 3 training centers I went to in 3 different states. 2 of which were nfb affiliated, and I thought they were supposed to be more about empowerment. National fondlers of the blind is a bit cultish too, it makes for a weird learning environment.
hopesthoughts 1 points 1y ago
Cultish is an understatement!!! It's more like militant!. I mean they have a song they sing at every convention. What?
When I was about 20, I was told I'd never make it out of a burning building and I wasn't worth it by a 30 something.
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