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Full History - 2021 - 08 - 16 - ID#p5lm7g
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How fast can you guys read (self.Blind)
submitted by HeftyCryptographer21
I know that blind people on average have lower literacy rates in general, so I was curious to see how people here are. How fast can you read? Do you read braille, print, large print, or something else? Were you born blind, or became blind later in life? Do you have any other disabilites?
queengemini 9 points 1y ago
Not blind but I just want to put out there that low literacy in the blind community is largely due to lack of Braille teachers and parental negligence.
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 6 points 1y ago
That makes sense. Kind of sucks though. I hope things start getting better so that blind kids aren't at such a disadvantage when they get to high school and university.
niamhweking 2 points 1y ago
In what way parental negligence? As in the parents don't learn braille so cant help their kids with it?
queengemini 5 points 1y ago
More from the standpoint that some parents choose not to teach Braille literacy because they feel like technology has it covered
niamhweking 5 points 1y ago
I'd be one of those and I wouldn't call it negligence, and I'm not trying to excuse our decision but parents often base their decision on the opinions of others, we would have asked other parents, the Visiting teacher, adults with VI and came to our conclusion. Our reasoning included the condition our daughter has, the Visiting teacher and her abilty to teach it (as in they're are understaffed and over stretched and would she be able to give my child the time needed), would the school staff need to learn it etc. There is lots of factors and I think negligence is a strong word to use, it might not be negligence it could be lack of information, ignorance, lack of support, and listening to those who are giving you the wrong options
queengemini 5 points 1y ago
I partially retract , I’d say negligence would be more on the side of when the resources are available but a similar conclusion is reached. I’m not so lucky to have kids and don’t want to seem like I’m judging you or any other parent but I still think the growing mainstream consensus that Braille is obsolete is troubling.
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 3 points 1y ago
I would suggest teaching your daughter yourself if you can. You wouldn't let her get away with never learning to read if she was sighted right? I know it sucks, but I wouldn't just let it go if I were you.
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 3 points 1y ago
I think more parents don't think braille counts as reading or think their kid shouldn't be allowed to learn braille. Especially if the kid has some vision remaining.
macadamia_owl 6 points 1y ago
Level of literacy i think depends on many factors and can't be generalized so easily. Depends on country/region, access to braille teacher/school later on to books/braille display and similar technology if even available if even braille is needed: many especially younger ones are preferring screenreader/smartphone content/internet/ebooks or audiobooks they're way faster.

I was later on legally blind as teen, no access to anyone who knew braille altrough i was in low vision and blind local group, was once on 2 week schooling for blind/low vision teens where was few hours braille alphabet reading and writing with slate. I preferred much more audiobooks/screenreader/Zoomtext MagReader or electronic magnifier I was as fast or faster as proper vision. I was bookworm, now with smartphone and apps like Kindle or MoonReader (reads aloud many formats ePub even pdf) i read more than average citizen of my country.

Since last year i got OrCam MyEye and EnvisionGlasses so even more books, magazines are now available for me it's great for school and leisure so much more comfortable than electronic magnifier or holding smartphone especially on the go so number of books i read jumped up last time especially due more free time due pandemic.
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
It is awesome that works for you! I am Deaflbind so I need braille, but if audio works well for you, don't let anyone tell you you shouldn't use it!
Remy_C 3 points 1y ago
This is actually an interesting question for me because I'm a semi-professional voice actor. I use either braille or speech output to cold read. I actually find speech output better. I find I read braille too slowly to be able to compatently use it for reading out loud. Speech output on the other hand has its own challenges: needing to narrate or actually act what I'm hearing" Generally I find my reading comprehension is a little higher with braille, but I much prefer speech. As a writer also though, I do like to know how text is formatted and words are spelled.
oncenightvaler 2 points 1y ago
I don't think I could voice act with speech output, for me it would have to be Braille or nothing.

Voice acting is something which I've thought about often for a possible career, I've been told I'm good at narrating and have a radio voice.
Remy_C 1 points 1y ago
Using speech output to voice act does certainly have its challenges. If you are good at reading out loud with braille then it’s a much better option I think. I myself can’t read that fast and talk at the same time. Although the one downside with using braille to voice act is you you have the added sounds of your fingers going across the braille display. Nobody likes to try to edit that out. But there are a lot of upsides as well. And if you want to try, I highly recommend looking into it. Even if only for fun. I don’t know of too many visually impaired voice actors who have really done well for themselves, but I do know there are certainly a few of us. Or I should say them, because semi professional at the moment.
HeftyCryptographer21 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
That's very interesting. I am Deafblind, so I don't have any experience with audio but it seems like it would be difficult to juggle listening and talking at the same time.
Remy_C 1 points 1y ago
Yes, it can be a little bit difficult. It really depends on what you’re reading and how it needs to be read. It also depends on how difficult the material is. I like to turn the speech down quite a bit slower and have it play a little ahead of what I’m actually saying. Although most of the time I end up just reading sentence by sentence so that I can get the acting inflections and emotions in there as well. I tend to like do use a screen reader that allows me to actually pause and resume speech so that I can stop even in the middle of sentences sometimes.
codeplaysleep 2 points 1y ago
It takes me about an hour to read 20 pages of your average paperback novel.

I'm not reading text that small. I read on my kindle and enlarge it, but for putting it in the context of "how much content in X amount of time" it works out to about that.

My biggest problem these days though is that I can't read for long periods of time anymore. I used to be able to sit all day and read a novel. Now I need to take a short break every 20-30 minutes and can't read for more than a couple of hours without needing to stop and take a longer break (or a nap - eye strain is surprisingly tiring).
sharno 2 points 1y ago
My dad got blind later in life and he chose not to learn Braille. He got really good with screen readers and started listening to lectures and audio books instead. I think it was much easier and faster for him to read and learn
mdizak 2 points 1y ago
I have screen reader set to 100% rate, so I read quick enough to get a headache.
hopesthoughts 1 points 1y ago
It might give you a worse headache if you use rate boost lol.
QuentinJamesP89 2 points 1y ago
My braille is still very slow, but improving. My print used to be faster, but my vision is so poor now, things have to be enlarged so much, and my eye gets worn out that it's quite slow now. Audio is the easiest currently, but I think that's only a supplement and not a substitute: I'm going to keep slogging away at braille until I get faster.
SoapyRiley 1 points 1y ago
I read extra large font and braille. “Large print” books are too small to read more than a couple minutes without significant eye strain. Letters have to be at least 1/4” high. I can read an average paperback in 6 hours. I don’t have any idea how many wpm that is. I started learning Braille in May and it takes me Forever to read the same size book in Braille, but I’m getting faster every day.
oncenightvaler 1 points 1y ago
not very fast, I imagine maybe 20 25 print pages in an hour I don't know it's been a while since I checked. This estimate was based on cutting the number of Braille pages I read cut in half. I read with Braille books, with my Refreshable Braille Display screen, and around 50% of the time also listen to books.
retrolental_morose 1 points 1y ago
I was born blind. I started Braille at school but have issues with finger sensitivity and dexterity due to premature birth, muscular development, fine motor skills and all that irritating stuff.
I grew up in the 90s, when the only type of speech synthesis I could use was formant based (google for speech samples of Keynote, DECtalk, Doubletalk, Eloquence and the original Orpheus for an idea of that).

My leisure-reading speeds (as of June 2020) are:
Braille, 114 wpm.
Ebooks in synthetic audio, 646 WPM.
Neurotypical audiobooks, 2.5x realtime.

I prefer synthetically read ebooks, then Braille, and will only listen to normal audiobooks if I have no choice.
I occasionally hot-swap between TTS and Braille if I want to rest my ears after a long day at work for example with much noise all day, or if I am in a particularly loud environment and can't listen (yes, I have been known to sneak a chapter in a nightclub).
JosephSeabourne 1 points 1y ago
I think my Braille reading speed is like 150 WPM. That was at full-speed, cannot go any faster without making mistakes, and I would never read that fast normally.
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