I once read that a blind person sees nothing. They don’t see black or darkness, they see “nothing”. Can anyone explain to me what this means? I cannot fathom this concept. I hope I am not offending anyone, but I would like to know.
Laser_Lens_418 points1y ago
What do you see out of your elbow? It’s a bit like that
Rethunker5 points1y ago
This answer absolutely rocks.
macmutant3 points1y ago
Great response. This is how I've always described it, too.
Laser_Lens_43 points1y ago
I remember reading that response somewhere on here. It might have been from you
macmutant2 points1y ago
Could be, or maybe it's just that great minds think alike. Another good one I use, since I can see a little in one eye, is for when people ask how far I can see. I tell them I can see something 10 feet away about as well as they can see the same thing 100 feet away. The part I like about these types of responses, is that there's not much subjectivity. Sighted people instantly get it.
DaaxD13 points1y ago
Close and cover your other eye and look around. After a while your brain realises that your covered eye doesn't produce any important information and focuses on the stuff you can see. After a longer time you don't even realise that you were supposed to have two eyes unless you specifically decide to focus to what is going on in your covered eye.
Other example: look at something in front of you and try to find the edge of your vision with your index finger. Keep looking forward while you move your finger in and out from your vision. The finger disappears, but not into darkness but into...void? Nothingness? Extend that over your whole vision and you get what blind people see.
Or imagine you were supposed to have 360 vision but due your vision loss you can only see around ~~200~~ 180 degrees (100-110 degrees in each eye) and even that last bit in each eye is barely visible. Now your friend asks you to describe what you see behind your back. What do you answer? Is it dark? Black? Is it anything?
CloudyBeep2 points1y ago
A standard visual field is 180°. A 360° degree visual field would mean that you can see behind you.
DaaxD6 points1y ago
That is exactly the thought experiment what I was aiming for: if everybody around you had 360 vision, but your vision was limited to "the standard visual field", then how you would describe the area behind your head (what you can't see) to some who has 360 vision?
Also, human's visual field isn't 180°. The average horizontal visual field is around 135° or so, but the vertical visual field actually extends a bit over 180°. The far peripheral view is very limited though but it can detect fast and sudden movements.
The number 200 was deduced from wikipedia, where it claimed that far peripheral vision can extend to 100-110 degrees in each eye, but after closer examination it seems that number might be an exaccuration.
ionabio6 points1y ago
I am pretty sure there are many definitions of legally blind and it is not like they see nothing. Usually cues like light and shadows are perceived while some might see colours up close.
Still closing an eye like others have mentioned is I think the closest one can imagine or viewing outside from a super foggy glass.
Also the course the blindness and reasons may cause a big difference if there is any expected visually sensory from brain. Many people are not born blind and become blind; with those who were born blind I can imagine the brain just starts ignoring any visually input from eye and then there nothing can be really nothing as in not existence of it.
PrincessDie1235 points1y ago
There are hundreds of different types of blindness but most of it comes down to perception, if you were born without vision at all then you don’t have a concept of black or color or visual shape so it’s just not there.
BleepBleepBlortBlort [OP]5 points1y ago
Dig it. Thanks.
DrillInstructorJan5 points1y ago
It depends on the person. I used to be able to see fine. If you imagine what you see when you rub your eyes too hard (don't try it!) see get red and green swirls, just imagine that, only so solid you can't see through it, with occasional bright bits.
It's one of those things you don't really notice until someone mentions it, so thanks for that.
Don't think about breathing! Ha got you.
Rethunker3 points1y ago
It’s common to say that there’s a spectrum of vision, but that implies a one-dimensional series of transitions from full sight to no sight, and that doesn’t capture the variety.
Some people have spotty vision. Others center vision, but no peripheral vision. Yet others peripheral but no center vision.
Cloudy vision, blurry vision, light perception only, total blindness, vision that varies through the day, double vision, eyes that move uncontrollably in any of many ways, obstructed vision, extreme nearsightedness, etc., etc., etc.
In short: imagine something about the human visual system that could vary, and then assume that variation is present in a goodly number of people.
As far as trying to fathom blindness:
How would you describe your ability to catch yummy flying bacon (okay, actually mosquitos) using only echolocation by clicking your tongue?
(Side note: most bats have great vision. Some have this awesome additional sense. Jealous?)
It’s hard to fathom someone else’s sensory experience. I’m sighted but my eyes aren’t straight and my vision isn’t fused (not one picture), meaning I have fewer depth cues than you probably do. To describe the condition I usually have to dispel some myths—yes, I have depth perception, it’s just impaired in some ways. I can’t watch 3D movies, but wow, not missing much there.
So I can describe my experience to you, and I have some sense of how you see the world, but that’s about as far as it goes. I could rig up some weird augmented reality experience to present the world to you kinda like I see it, but that would just be a taste, not the everyday experience.
There’s not that much difference between my vision and yours (probably); now imagine a greater difference and you start to get a sense of the spectrum. And then, after a few minutes of this talk, life moves on, we have coffee and talk about movies or books and make jokes.
The similarities are far greater than the differences, BUT there are problems with the built world not being as accessible as it should be. That’s a whole ‘nother discussion.
EmotionalCable33732 points1y ago
It’s not black or darkness for me. I have several blind spots in my vision and I would describe them as solid gray.
Shyanneabriana2 points1y ago
It’s like her deaf person doesn’t hear silence because they have never known hearing at all. It’s an absence. You can’t understand darkness without first seeing light so it’s meaningless.
BleepBleepBlortBlort [OP]4 points1y ago
Ok, but if a person wasn’t born deaf or blind, and you lose one of these senses, you now have something to compare it to. I want to know what this looks like to someone who has lost vision.
K-R-Rose2 points1y ago
The situation you described above only occurs in certain situations. Some blind people have light perception even when they can’t see anything else. But it really is like what Laser_Lens_4 said above. The nothing some blind people “see” is the same nothing you “see” when trying to look through another body part. There is no sense of sight from your elbow or your knee or the back of your head.
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