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What combination of computer and mobile device do you use? (self.Blind)
submitted by kelpangler
I use Apple for both my computer and my mobile device, but from what I’ve heard I’m in the minority when it comes to what blind and visually impaired people use. So what do you use? Thanks!

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Marconius 2 points 1y ago
I have a 2020 MacBook Pro for my personal computer and use an iPhone 8 as my personal device. Will be getting an SE 2 soon.

For work, I have a 2018 Macbook Pro, along with an iPhone 11, Xr, 7, plus a Pixel 3 and Samsung S10. Woo QA testing!
kelpangler [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I don’t have all those devices but my company primarily uses MacBooks. However, I’m waiting on a Windows machine with NVDA. I haven’t used a PC in ages…
Laser_Lens_4 2 points 1y ago
I have an iPhone. I love my iPhone.

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I had a Mac. It made me want to jump out a window. I no longer have a Mac.

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Perhaps I'll give it a try one day if they unfuck Braille and fix all the bugs.
kelpangler [OP] 2 points 1y ago
I don’t know how to read Braille so no idea what issues there are but I do come across bugs. I’ve talked with Apple’s accessibility support which is fantastic but there’s only so far they can take you before it’s a dead end.

Do you have a specific example that made you dislike Macs?
Laser_Lens_4 1 points 1y ago
I had a ton of issues with quit NAV, and there were a lot of little quirks and stuff that wasn’t as accessible that I expected to be accessible… Like adding a card to Apple Pay or navigating deep within system settings, or using the terminal. I also use Microsoft 365, and it just plain works better on windows. The issue with braille is that, after a while, the display would just disconnect and reconnect. Most of the time you would lose anywhere from a few words to a few lines of text that you just input. Sometimes spaces and new lines would all get inserted at the end of the document instead of where you put them. It was an absolute mess, and from what I understand, max don’t even properly support Bluetooth braille displays anymore. It’s not like I’m using some super obscure device… Relatively speaking. I tried a humanware brailliant, and I currently use a fifth generation freedom scientific focus 40 blue. I do math and light programming. Braille is non-negotiable. It has to work
CosmicBunny97 1 points 1y ago
I agree about the Mac. Windows 100% for me, I don’t think I’ll switch back now. I’m curious about TalkBack since I’ve heard it’s getting better but I love how well the iPhone works and there’s no Android watch as good as the Apple Watch.
CosmicBunny97 2 points 1y ago
I use an iPhone and a Windows computer with NVDA. I used a MacBook for a year and a half and VoiceOver on it makes me want to throw it out the window. I do miss the integration but I just work so much better on Windows.
Criptedinyourcloset 1 points 1y ago
Agree with you about the throwing it out the window part. The only reason I still have my Mac computer is because I make music and draw a lot. So the programs on there are essential for me. But yeah, I tried to avoid using it if I don’t have to.
kelpangler [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Yeah I like my computer and devices being sync’d up. What about VoiceOver didn’t you like?
CosmicBunny97 2 points 1y ago
I felt like it was no where as efficient as NVDA, and clunky. I can’t even search my mail, for a while I couldn’t remove apps from my dock as well. Just found it annoying and it’s kinda heartbreaking since I love Apple and used a Mac when I was more low vision compared to now.
codeplaysleep 1 points 1y ago
I use a 27in iMac. If I had to switch to another OS I'd go with Ubuntu, but MacOS works really well for my needs.

I use an Android phone.
kelpangler [OP] 1 points 1y ago
So you’re in the minority as a Mac/android user. How come?
codeplaysleep 1 points 1y ago
I dislike iOS due to the lack of customization (plus a slight preference for Samsung hardware) and MacOS runs all of my dev tools and lets me have a full-featured local dev environment without the need to deal with VMs or containerization.
Fridux 1 points 1y ago
Computer: Baseline iMac 2017 built to order with a 256GB SSD and 16GB of RAM which I intend to sell cheap and upgrade to some form of Apple Silicon MacBook Pro very soon. Phone: iPhone SE 2020 with 64GB of storage.

In my opinion, VoiceOver on MacOS is on par with NVDA on Windows, at least as far as speech is concerned, as I don't use Braille. I do miss the integration of the Windows OCR with NVDA though; there's an AI-backed image recognition feature in VoiceOver but it only reads very short text sentences.
purple_goat_8138 1 points 1y ago
I use windows, linux and android. But I am working on getting completely off windows, and only using it in vm's for occasional apps.
bradley22 1 points 1y ago
I use windows for my computer and IPhone for my phone.
EffectiveYak0 1 points 1y ago
I use a macbook pro with voiceover for work and either a macbook air or a chromebook with chromevox for travel.

My desktop is a running Ubuntu 20.04, but I don't use orca. I use chromevox extension for the chrome browser.

My phone is android.

For what it's worth I'm not completely blind, though.
dekaffinator 1 points 1y ago
I use Ununtu 20.04 as well, and yes have issues with Orca.
EffectiveYak0 1 points 1y ago
Orca is outdated and as far as I know not maintained. I want to work on building a modern screen reader for Linux, but it's no easy task. Also if I build one from scratch it would probably be built more for me with my partial vision.
purple_goat_8138 1 points 1y ago
Orca is maintained. Where did you hear that.
EffectiveYak0 1 points 1y ago
Ah you're right. I must have been confused for whatever reason.
dekaffinator 1 points 1y ago
it would be easier, instead of starting from scratch, to start with an open source screen reader like the GNOME screen reader and get the VI community behind developing it. There are a lot of VI coders out there, just needs someone to wrangle them all together.
yourmommaisaunicorn 1 points 1y ago
Have iPhone, iPad, but all desktops and laptops run on Microsoft.
macadamia_owl 1 points 1y ago
It depends what your environment uses if people are having enough help to buy Apple devices. Till this day in my native country 50 km away from i actually live no blind/visually impaired can't buy an Apple device because prices are there extra high even on contract maybe used ones but older generations a big majority is Android/Windows. Yes there's government help every few years for tech devices but party of copaying is so high compared to prices even to most basic devices it's hard to organize.

In the country i live it's so much easier even for a teenager to have an iPhone due different currency. Many blind and visually impaired were having them even Airpods. Some had MacBooks or iPads but due using in school MS Office and File compatibility they had many problems when sharing files and using programs. Durning schooling we had Windows PCs, Macs and apple's were for informatics schooler's only.
I was dragging my laptop along but it was so heavy i bought 300 g LTE Android Tablet with Bluetooth keyboard when it died because some idiot dropped it and put foot on it i had Windows 10 LTE Tablet. Others fought for wall plugs but not me it was great combo i left laptop at home.
kelpangler [OP] 1 points 1y ago
When you say “older generations” do you mean people who have been using Windows for a long time? I’d be very curious to know what this looks like for younger people. Maybe it’s entirely the same no matter what your age is.

At least here in the US I think you can find used Apple computers for relatively cheap. A few years ago I bought a couple 2009 Macs for my daughters. One of them still uses hers although you can’t install the latest MacOS. But yeah, I wish Macs weren’t as expensive but I also think they’re worth the extra cost.
macadamia_owl 1 points 1y ago
Older generations hmm general second hand market i think. I mean old devices of Apple ecosystem new ones are out of reach for anyone maybe only politicians and celebrities 5.000-8.500 cash when you monthly get 700 as disabled person?

I checked the prices for used MacBooks from 2009 right now it's 500-1800 cash still quite alot compared to new Windows laptops from store you can get new laptop for the same price.
Maybe because in that country there's no Apple Store or Apple seller apart from one mobile provider that's the hype and prices?

As a disabled person you usually get 500-700 cash disability benefits for everything (rent is 500-1700 or more depends on city - only solution live with parents or with friends or with multiple people or marriage quickly, meds some are partially refunded some not some non available due costs but health insurance is mostly free not if you go private or go to dentist it's full cost self pay there or lose job, transport is often price reduced there's no Uber) as student/schooler with low income or excellent grades extra 500-700 so money mostly goes elsewhere. Average job is extra 1.300-1.700 people there can't buy new Apple devices market share in Internet usage is constantly 3-6% of mobile sales due prices.
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