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Need guidance on how to teach a blind student (self.Blind)
submitted by recombinator
Hello guys. I'm a professor of social anthropology and in my classroom of about 40 students, one of them is blind. During my first class, I was eliciting a lot of responses from students and was listing them out on the board. Midway through the class I realised this one blind student was completely unaware of what I was putting on the board. After that, I made it a point to read out what I wrote. She sits in the first seat so that she can hear everything well enough. I spoke to her after class about what she would need from me. She's an excellent student, and I want to do my best to ensure I can make the class as accessible to her as possible. Almost all my teaching support material is made available electronically, and her screen-readers will do for them, she said. However, I diagram a lot when I teach. There is also some visual material (videos, images). Could you advise me on how I can make this more accessible to her, and also, any other teaching techniques I can use, and maybe some things I should be more mindful of when I teach?

edit: My university is located in India. As far as I know, there is no disability services or other such institutional support for students/faculty. The student is a freshman. This is her first university class.

Many many thanks to you all
Rethunker 11 points 1y ago
In an older post I included links to some academic papers about teaching blind students in science and math. Here's the link:

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If you google "reddit blind math" you'll find several relevant posts. Although you're teaching social anthropology, math education for the blind would lead you to information about creating accessible diagrams.

A side note: if you describe a diagram out loud after having drawn it such that the blind student will understand it--or at least know enough to ask questions later--then you will be helping other students as well. A saying here in the U.S.: "Accessible design is good design."

Presenting and re-presenting material in multiple modalities will help a lot of students. Some students need it, but many more students benefit from it.

You might consider how you'd present the material if all students in the class were blind. Then integrate that approach into your presentations for all students.

Encourage your student to attend your office hours regularly.

For videos and images, current tools to automated the generation of descriptions aren't that great. If the students pair up for study or to complete projects anyway, a sighted student could benefit from having a class partner describe videos and images to the blind student. Then if pairings are changed from project to project, the students would all gain experience in this.
recombinator [OP] 9 points 1y ago
"Accessible design is good design" - great point!!
recombinator [OP] 7 points 1y ago
Thank you for the insightful advice. I'll do my best to action them. I will also check out the papers you mention.
laconicflow 10 points 1y ago
Blind since birth, went to college.

It's mostly saying the things you write on the board. Not being able to see video isn't new for a blind person. And we'll pick up more than you'd assume, from the audio context and the context of the lecture. Perhaps, if there's a particularly striking or important visual image, describe that image out loud, a very brief description is fine.
recombinator [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you. I'll do that!
laconicflow 4 points 1y ago
Most of my professors were cool. I never really needed them to do anything, but I always felt like if I did, they would, which made me feel good.
recombinator [OP] 1 points 1y ago
That is good to know :)
carolineecouture 9 points 1y ago
Where are you? My University has an office of disability services that helps with issues like this. Do you use anything like Canvas to make materials available? I think Canvas does auto-captioning or transcripts of videos, but I'm not sure. Has the student been in other classes at your school? Aside from talking to her, speaking with former professors about their strategies might be helpful.
recombinator [OP] 7 points 1y ago
Thank you for your questions and the suggestions. I have edited the post to address some of the questions you raise.

My university is located in India. As far as I know, there is no disability services or other such institutional support for students/faculty. The student is a freshman. This is her first university class. We don't have canvas, but something called Moodle. I'll try to figure out captioning options there. And as you suggest, I will try to get in touch with her high school teachers to ask what worked for them.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond :)

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carolineecouture 3 points 1y ago
Good luck to you and your student!
retrolental_morose 7 points 1y ago
she's gotten this far by knowing her own limits and needs, so work with her as you have been. reading what you're putting on the board is helpful. If she has no vision and never has had any, she'll probably not have much use for any diagrams. Judge and assess on her knowledge more than her presentation where possible. If there are source materials that would be harder for her to access (visual video without meaningful audio components, print reference books without comparable online versions etc), obviously work around those where you can.
Be clear as to what level of visual input any assessments will need (if she *has* to draw something in a final exam, consider that now rather than later).
Send her here, or come as her proxy, with any accessibility specifics.
recombinator [OP] 4 points 1y ago
"She's gotten this far by knowing her own limits and needs" - so true. I asked if she has someone at home who can help her with some texts and she shot back "I like to be independent". I was struck by that and told her we will get along real well.

I've tried to ensure all material is electronically accessible and OCR'd the ones that aren't. There's one text that is an image of a typewritten sheet. It is later on in the course, so if I can't OCR it, I can type the stuff out.

She will not have to do diagrams in exams. I am also planning to offer her the option of oral examinations, if she is comfortable with it.

Thank you for all your advice. Really appreciate it.
retrolental_morose 3 points 1y ago
as a blind person, I'd far rather type than speak - I can construct arguments, plan essays etc better in my head. There seems to be an assumption that we can't work as fast as the sighted sometimes, I don't know why when I can type at over 120 WPM. I'm not saying the offer of an oral exam isn't worth making, but depending on her preferred style, she may refuse. I'm not judging, but it sounds (from your toen) like the offer of an oral exam is an accommodation, so I'm just saying that it mightn't be as helpful as you think it could.
recombinator [OP] 2 points 1y ago
I didn't think of the oral exam as an accommodation, but more as an additional dimension for expression. But thank you for saying this.
Such_Subject 2 points 1y ago
for a blind person in indian university is if printed books cant be scanned then record or type the contents so that she can understand the concept for the subjects you can also allow her to record class using recorder or mobile.

make sure that you explain the diagram with your voice so that your student will know the context about the diagrams
recombinator [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you. Yes I plan to do this.
retrolental_morose 2 points 1y ago
"There's one text that is an image of a typewritten sheet". It's great that you're offerring to type this up, and almost all school boards and disability accommodation systems in the western world would do the same thing. However, one of the things I find with my students is that if I do it all for them, they never do it themselves. I regularly get handwritten notes and printed paperwork from colleagues, and without having learned how to deal with this in my personal life, it wouldn't work in my professional. SO by all means type it up and have it ready, but giv it to her with everyone else, explain it's not been digitised, and only if she has a problem with it bring into play your more accessible version. Just my advice of course. I am totally blind and teach college, just for my credentials.
recombinator [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Really appreciate you taking the time to give me these comments and suggestions. Helps all the more that you teach!
Ant5477 4 points 1y ago
you have started out on the right path, great job so far
recombinator [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I'm humbled by the responses. Thank you for your comment. It is encouraging. Smiles.
mdizak 2 points 1y ago
Ask her, don't ask us. She knows what she needs more than anyone here on Reddit does.

That, and no disrespect intended, but the fact you're here on Reddit asking what the blind student needs is the bigger problem here. She's not an alien who you need to figure out, she's just blind. You do know you can just go ask her and she will tell you, right?

Us blind folks are good at being blind, because we don't have a choice. Generally, if we need something, we'll just tell you. If she's maybe shy or suffering from depression, then just ask her what she wants, and she'll tell you if she needs something.
recombinator [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you for saying this. My apologies if I sound defensive, but I did ask her. The reason I posted here was to get a sense of what strategies worked for some learners and educators here. I felt it might be good to get a broad sense of different approaches that worked. By no means do I see her or any of you as alien. In fact, in all my years in reddit, this post is the one I have had the most engagement on, and that is at a human level. If anything, I am only grateful to the community because I learn to be a better teacher, because some of these strategies will benefit the entire class, I feel.
WorldlyLingonberry40 2 points 1y ago
Hi, I'd ask the student to put me in contact with their teacher of blind students in high school. That way I could ask them questions on how to provide the needed accomodations. They probably don't teach the student any more, but they will want to help by meeting and explaining what you need to know.
recombinator [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Ok. I'll try that. I didn't want to impose by asking if I could talk with old teachers right away. But yes. This sounds like a good idea and I will sound this out to her. Thank you!
WorldlyLingonberry40 2 points 1y ago
The student needs to be part of the conversation, so that she may then share the info with her other professors.
Thank you for caring enough and asking how you can help your student.
gofindyour 2 points 1y ago
Could you send her a copy before class of anything you are planning to put on the board?
recombinator [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I send out a copy to the entire class before hand. I told her I will sit and discuss the board stuff with her after class. Thank you!
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