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Sighted people that are equally proficient in braille and the visual latin alphabet (self.Blind)
submitted by individual0
I'm looking for people that learned both tactile braille, and the visual Latin alphabet when they were kids. And still have their sight. Or educators that taught sighted kids that know braille and visual English.


For someone that's equally proficient in both, is there a significant performance difference between reading or writing tactical braille vs visual English?

What about reading visual braille(like on a visual screen or flat print out) vs visual English?
Tarnagona 9 points 1y ago
This is suppositional, because I don’t read Braille regularly, so I’m exceedingly slow when I do read it.

Someone reading print visually, their eyes bounce about ALOT, looking ahead and looking back at words and even sentences. I don’t have specific studies to hand, but looking up eye tracking reading studies should give you the data. I know this was one of the things the psycholinguistics people were researching when I was in grad school (I never volunteered for any eye tracking studies, as I figured my nystagmus would throw off the results). Sighted people don’t read entirely linearly.

On the other hand, the only way to read Braille is one letter at a time. You have to read in a completely linear fashion. Yes a tactile reader can get good speeds, but based on the eye tracking data about how sighted people read, I surmise that a good tactile reader is never going to be as fast as a good sight reader, all other things being equal. The visual reader just has the ability to take in more information at once.

This is not meant as a value judgment against tactile reading or Braille.

(Note, auditory reading has the same issue. You can only hear one word at a time, so even if the voice is reading quickly, you are still limited in how much information you can access at once. The practical outcome of this is that I can’t skim read audio, so while I might be taking in individual words more quickly, I’m still slower because I have to read them all.)
KillerLag 8 points 1y ago
In terms of reading Braille with their fingers, it is possible to read pretty fast (but it isn't common). But I've never encountered someone who could read Braille as fast as reading text
Iamheno 7 points 1y ago
According to Swenson, faster Braille readers are able to hit 145wpm on average, while sighted readers are reading 265wpm. We tested in my Braille class today and our fastest reader was 133wpm.
CloudyBeep 4 points 1y ago
I know braille readers who read faster than that. I'm one of them.
Iamheno 4 points 1y ago
Yeah sorry I should’ve put on average. There are folks able to go faster as well. Emerson has an unreleased study which should give updated information soon.
FaerilyRowanwind 3 points 1y ago
With practice and the right equipment you can hit comparable speeds. In terms of writing you can technically go faster than writing just because of shortform and contractions.
CloudyBeep 5 points 1y ago
I doubt this claim. If we say that a desirable QWERTY typing speed is 60 WPM, I know of no-one who can type braille faster than that.
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 1y ago
60 WPM is fairly slow, twice that is when it starts to be actually considered fast.
CloudyBeep 2 points 1y ago
It's what many jobs that require lots of writing set as a minimum (obviously not transcription jobs though). It's considered an achievable speed for most people, and you'd be surprised how many people can't reach it.
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 1y ago
Yikes. I think the last time I had my speed tested it was like 150WPM, I can't imagine not being able to hit 60WPM outside of hunt and peck typers.
FaerilyRowanwind 2 points 1y ago
With a refreshable Braille display you can.
CloudyBeep 5 points 1y ago
I'll believe it when I hear it.
FaerilyRowanwind 3 points 1y ago
Ok.
WorldlyLingonberry40 1 points 1y ago
The friends who read more than a couple of hundred words per minute in Braille have been able to do this using the two handed Braille reading method. They use multiple fingers on both hands, and they read with both hands, rather than tracking a line with the left finger and reading Braille with the right finger.
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