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Tarnagona 7 points 1y ago
I feel like this would be weird if it was done whenever you introduce yourself anywhere, eg Zoom meeting with co-workers, but isn’t bad as a one-line introduction to a presentation. Especially if the person is given freedom to describe the things about their appearance they find important, it gives a window on their character and how they think about themselves, adding a more human element to the presentation. And a single sentence description doesn’t take up much time in a half-hour or longer presentation. I don’t miss it when it’s not there, though, as for most presentations, it’s flavour, rather than something crucial to the subject.
BenandGracie 7 points 1y ago
This is stupid. If I ever encountered this on a Zoom meeting I would probably fall out of my chair from laughing. I don't have any memory of what little vision I lost at the age of 1, so when someone tells me what they look like, it means exactly nothing. I think people should shut up and get on with the presentation.
hopesthoughts 2 points 1y ago
Right, then there's the fact that I really don't care what you look like, I'm not there for that, and I'm definitely there for your content. Describe you're flippin 100 slide deck, then I'll be happy!!
EffectiveYak0 6 points 1y ago
Really stupid and annoying. GTFO
mdizak 6 points 1y ago
I've never had that happen to me, and I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't want that. Get on a call and, "Ok everyone, we have a blind guy on the call today, so when you introduce yourself please also share your ethnicity and hairstyle".

That would just be weird. I'd much prefer people just forget that I'm blind, and treat me as they would anyone else. If I can't gauge someone's ethnicity from their accent and I'm curious, then I just ask them.
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rumster 8 points 1y ago
No it doesn't. It is another woke type of weirdness that doesn't help anyone but makes them feel uncomfortable. What am I going to describe myself as a fat tall giant guy with amazing hair and a gol-t from Chicago? wtf.
hopesthoughts 1 points 1y ago
Thing is, describe yourself however you want. That's why it's performative. Describe yourself as an angel with wings if you want to.
ThisBlindChickReads 3 points 1y ago
This is not for the blind, this practice is demeaning to EVERY person involved.
DrillInstructorJan 1 points 1y ago
As opposed to the last hundred years or so of people presenting on TV who are in exactly the same position?

It's just weird. If you're going to do this put it in another sound channel as audio description, but even then I don't care about the person's long blonde hair.
zersiax 6 points 1y ago
I've been seeing some of this lately and ...I'm very mixed about it, honestly. I can absolutely see how this might help some people form an image of who they're listening to, particularly if they went blind later in life. I myself have never seen, and really only need that level of detail if I'm going to do a whole lot more than listen to them do a tech demo :P
ThisBlindChickReads 5 points 1y ago
I view it as performative ... I view it as Disgusting because visual descriptions of the presenter especially of skin color only adds to systemic racial biases that our society is already failing to overcome. I view it as demeaning for the presenter because instead of putting emphasis on the topic they are there too present, they have to instead draw attention to their physical appearance which in most cases has absolutely no influence on the subject matter. I view it as demeaning to the blind/visually impaired because someone's physical appearance does not help us understand the presenter's message (unless they are presenting their personal experience).

A better practice to adopt instead of physical descriptions of presenters is to implement descriptions of visual aids that are being used during the presentation.
hopesthoughts 2 points 1y ago
I agree that it's performative. It relies on the presentor's own interpretation of themselves which may or may not be fully accurate. Sure you can describe things like what you're wearing and hair color, but what about things like weight and height? Do they have to say how old they are too?
Not only that, but do we have to comply with it if we're blind? Maybe we're just wearing sweats and a sweatshirt on a conference.
Rethunker 3 points 1y ago
You didn’t hear this from me, but one way to counter the practice might be to tell other people on the call what Muppet they most sound like.

“Hi, my name is Steve, and I’m going to describe John’s voice as two-thirds Gonzo and one part Kermit. Back to you, Susan.”
zapto_gamer 3 points 1y ago
Oh my god I couldn’t stop laughing!!! And every time I reread your comment I laugh.

This is absolutely an amazing idea, and if I am ever in a meeting and people start describing themself with no connections to the actual content of the meeting, I’m going to do this.
AllHarlowsEve 3 points 1y ago
As I said yesterday when this was asked, I like it. It gives a little insight into who the presenter is without taking up much time. I don't find it demeaning or condescending, but some people just want to be upsetti I guess.
ukifrit 3 points 1y ago
It surprises me how much r/blind seems to hate this practice. Like, I don't need a 5 minute description, but a single line description is very welcome.
rkingett 1 points 1y ago
Are you kidding me? r/blind is very anti progressive in any sense of the word.
Throwaway1588442 2 points 1y ago
As an anarchist I disagree, most people here want major effort else where, not token effort that does nothing
rkingett 1 points 1y ago
It gets us closer to an anarchist society, which is good.
ukifrit 1 points 1y ago
it seems like that.
JosephSeabourne 2 points 1y ago
If it's relevant, then yes. e.g. someone who is in a wheelchair talking about wheelchair accessibility, then I would like to know they are a wheelchair user.
I guess for people, unlike me, who have had sight before, it would be nice to have a description of clothing, appearance, etc, but for me it doesn't really mean much. Plus I have enough sight to have an idea what you look like. Depends, but mostly not.
ukifrit 2 points 1y ago
Helpful in the sense we cannot live without it? No. But life isn't just about stuff we can't live without.
Blind247365 2 points 1y ago

It’s an innovative idea to have by default because you never
know who’s in the audience and might want that information. If you don’t want
the information then just ignore it it’s at most a few minutes but don’t ruin it
for everyone else that does want it.
rkingett 1 points 1y ago
Glad this is continuing. It works for sighted people unable to look at a screen, too.
Winnmark 1 points 1y ago
The Microsoft one turn me off as soon as they started talking about being on native American land. That leftist bullshit doesn't fly with me, and their physical description introductions was like something out of the Twilight zone.

Straight up looks like something that would be a parody of an orwelian society.
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ThisBlindChickReads 1 points 1y ago
I absolutely disagree with this practice. It is not done with input from the blind community. I look at it as performative inclusion. Do they also hire someone to translate in sign language for each presenter at every meeting? These "accessible introductions" have nothing to do with including the blind or visually impaired and it makes me incredibly uncomfortable knowing that this might become the norm. What someone looks like has nothing to do with their intellect, message, or character ... Just stop.
CloudyBeep 2 points 1y ago
Actually it was done with input from the blind community. See the Describing Diversity report for how the practice got started.
DrillInstructorJan 4 points 1y ago
And this is why I am very careful not to sign up to anything that makes me part of quote the blind community unquote. The people who work under that title are often a very small, weird off shoot group, very political and honestly a bit embarrassing to the rest of us.
ThisBlindChickReads 3 points 1y ago
I can't agree more 💜
hopesthoughts 2 points 1y ago
Yeah agreed. In fact, I try my best to disassociate from the "blind community" as a whole.
DrillInstructorJan 1 points 1y ago
Yes, I'd rather just be part of the people community!
ThisBlindChickReads 3 points 1y ago
Well this blind chick stands by my statement ... That practice is disgusting ... Maybe the panel of sighted people need to reach a larger part of the "blind community"
hopesthoughts 2 points 1y ago
Not the left side lol.
Individual-Fan1639 0 points 1y ago
How are descriptions attempting to help, “disgusting” and “demeaning”. That seems quite extreme for people just trying to be more descriptive to help.
They may be misguided or maybe you aren’t interested in appearances, but it could be helpful for others that would get benefit from it.
rkingett 1 points 1y ago
Yes, actually.
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