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Most enjoyable websites / apps for VI users? (self.Blind)
submitted by hanieka
Hi everyone! I’m a student doing a project on accessibility in website design. Specifically, I’d like to learn more about websites or apps that are not just accessible to blind / visually impaired users but also enjoyable, engaging, and dignified. I have a couple of questions for anybody willing to answer:

1. Designers and developers learn that accessible websites should have high contrast for visually impaired users, as well as proper HTML structure and alt text for those using screen readers. Do you think that there is anything missing from this accessibility criteria?

2. What do you think makes a website or app not just accessible to you but also an enjoyable experience?

3. What are some of your favorite websites/apps to visit? What do you like about them?

Thank you!
retrolental_morose 4 points 1y ago
The whole thrust of the question rubs me the wrong way really. I don't use an app or website because it is enjoyable to me as a blind person, I use it because it provides a service or some entertainment or such that I want or need to partake of.

That said, some apps and sites are better designed than others. a good example of this is grocery shopping in the UK. Most apps have you interact with multiple controls after you search, you might have the item and its price as one part of the screen, then the quantity in your basket, then buttons to increase or decrease that quantity. It can be a complicated process. One of the supermarkets gets it right in my opinion, each search result is a single screen element, which can be added or removed from the basket with a single flick.

Obviously, as a sighted person, the way in which you shop is very different, so I'm pleased someone has taken the time to consider the accessibility. But in most circumstances the access has to come after the utility of the site/app (people always need to shop, bank, etc).
hanieka [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I’m sorry that my question rubs you the wrong way, and I appreciate that you took the time to answer it anyways. I’ll check out some grocery shopping apps and websites. Thank you very much!
retrolental_morose 2 points 1y ago
:) it's not really your fault how I feel. Would a screen recording of some of the apps be useful? Be happy to do that; I have some time Wednesday
hanieka [OP] 1 points 1y ago
If you really don't mind then that would be super helpful! I live in the US so I'm unsure if I'd be able to access these apps otherwise. Thank you so much :)
OldManOnFire 3 points 1y ago
A good website is a good website.

I would rather have great content that's challenging to access rather than mediocre content that's easy to navigate. Of course it's best to have both, but if you're focusing on inclusion and ease of access instead of focusing on content you should reconsider your priorities. If a website is good enough I'll find a way to get to its contents.

For a good example of how to do it right please check out $1. It's a nerdy online cartoon by Zach Weinersmith that's updated daily. The colors are soft and not garish, the dialog is large and easier to read than other online graphic novels or comics, the characters are drawn simply, with thick lines and not much detail. If you look at the archived comics it's easy to tell how much more accessible his modern stuff is than his early stuff.

If you want an example of how to do it wrong look at an online Batman comic. Dark colors, tiny printed dialog, characters in panels sometimes extend an arm or a leg into the next panel making the experience less linear, and the sound effects (POW! or BANG! or CRUNCH!) are impossible for a screen reader to decipher.
hanieka [OP] 3 points 1y ago
Thanks so much for this very detailed response! The point that you make about a site having good content is why I’m exploring this topic. I think web designers and developers spend a lot of time considering whether BVI users can access a site instead of asking whether they enjoy the content or think the site is interesting
bradley22 2 points 1y ago
One of my favorite sites is youtube, redddit's good too but youtube is my go to for entertainment.


their design is good but they've made a huge error with the comments and videos all being one level heading, so for example; you might be able to scroll down past the comments and click on the next video, we have to use h about 1000 times just to find the start, oh and if you want to read the ocmments the best way to do that for me is to go to the bottom of the page and then arrow down until the next part of the site loads, then; go back to the top of the page, press h until I hear something to do with comments and go from there.


So structure is very important.
hanieka [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thanks for the response! As a website developer I’ve been taught that the organization of the code is really important, and I’m a little surprised that youtube developers gave videos and comments the same level heading. That sounds really annoying to navigate to say the least
bradley22 1 points 1y ago
It really is.
hopesthoughts 1 points 1y ago
Reddit, Youtube, My RSS reader, Miniflux: https://miniflux.app.
I also enjoy using WordPress. https://rss.app, which is a service that creates RSS feeds from sites that don't have them. https://news.ycombinator.com https://linklocker.co, I put everything here. I also enjoy random web surfing. I have a Firefox instance with NoScript installed, so if things really don't work, I can put them in there. I also use reader mode for articles. However, I run quite an ad blocking setup, so it's usually not needed.
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