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How do completely blind people go about being students, businessman, lawyers etc.? (self.Blind)
submitted by IcedMelt
I am not completely blind, but have serious visual difficulties due to traumatic retinal detachments and tears. I'm curious how people who cannot see anything navigate the world of school, business, law etc.? What technologies, strategies, and methods do they use to be successful as a student and in the professional world? For example, I use Balabolka (a text to speech translator) to read long things to me in order to reduce strain on my eyes. Of course, my knowledge of resources available to the visually impaired likely pales in comparison to someone who has been immersed in that life since birth. Therefore, I'm curious to know what the best and most widely tools, strategies, and resources are for people who are completely blind to function better in a school or professional environment?

For example, how would a lawyer go about reading a very long legal document, I'd assume they use whatever the best text to speech technology is? How would they write and edit legal documents? Would they use voice to text technology, dictate to a paralegal? For a businessman, how would they do something like work on an excel sheet? Thanks for your help, I'm trying to feel out my options going forward.
Laser_Lens_4 21 points 1y ago
Very slowly, with lots of swearing, and preferably with your depressant of choice nearby…

Jokes aside, I’m currently doing math blind for a computer science major, and it is challenging. I have to adapt to basically everything I do. I talk a lot with a Disability Resource Center on my college campus, and sometimes it just comes down to trial and error. I use a lot of braille and text to speech since that’s the only method accessible to me. Even if I had a vision, I would probably still rely on braille for math content because of how much effort it used to take for me to read it visually back when my eyes worked a little better. Optical character recognition, school staff and faculty, and sometimes just good old going up to a friend and asking them to read something for you. Oh and I was only half joking about having your depressant of choice on standby
IcedMelt [OP] 5 points 1y ago
Thanks for your post. I'm curious how you post? Do you have a braille keyboard and use text to speech to edit it?
retrolental_morose 9 points 1y ago
the majority of blind people can type on a regular qwerty keyboard. Most professionals who can see touch-type, the Braille keyboard thing is a big stereotype.
Dietzgen17 0 points 1y ago
>the majority of blind people can type on a regular qwerty keyboard.

How do they know if they have typos?
mantolwen 7 points 1y ago
In my fiance's case, sometimes the typos make it through, especially if it's a homophone (a word that sounds the same). Screen readers will read back each word as you type it so that will pick out errors quickly. He doesn't use autocorrect, but mostly his spelling is great. I will point out if he makes a mistake but it's not often these days.
Rethunker 8 points 1y ago
Haben Girma, a DeafBlind woman, graduated Harvard Law School. Her autobiography could prove a good read for you.

She’s also on Twitter, and someone worth following.
gunfart 6 points 1y ago
On a computer, a screen reader will read everything out to you and instead of using a mouse with an on screen pointer, everything is simplified to keyboard commands and shortcuts. It is not as difficult as it sounds once you get used to it. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure I am able to navigate elements on a computer much faster than a sighted person because I don’t have to move a mouse in point and click on buttons.
ukifrit 3 points 1y ago
back into the 90s, people just used the keyboard like we do.
Boratthy 5 points 1y ago
I am legally blind and currently doing a master's program in English linguistics and literature. I use Jaws for TTS because fortunately in my country you can get a 1 year licence for free and renew it every year if you are visually impaired. (I use Jaws as I found it to be the most packed with features TTS so far I anyone knows a better one pleas inform me) I usually try to find audiobooks for my readings because they are way more pleasent than to listen to a robotic synthesised voice. In terms of writing, I can perfectly use a regular keyboard since I learnt the alphabet, actually I kind of learnt them together. Also my university is great for visually impaired students because we have a dedicated support service where we can ask for help with almost anything in connection with our studies if needed. They even can transport disabled students from their home or dormitory (of course only in the city) to the various buildings scattered in the city and also take you home or to your bus and naturally they also help us to get to the classrooms where are classes are held. Honestly I haven't even used most services they offer in my 4 years because I'm just fine with using my laptop and communicating with my teachers if any problem comes up and with the help of my friends I can get around the building where my classes are fortunately.
Tarnagona 5 points 1y ago
Kurzweil 1000 got me through my PhD. I’m not totally blind, but there’s no way I could have done all the required reading by sight. Kurzweil has optical character recognition for scanned or digital documents, the ability to easily add notes and bookmarks to documents, and an in-built screen reader. Only problem is, it costs over $1,000 so not easily attainable for many people (I had a bursary to cover it). There are probably cheaper, albeit less fully-featured, and/or less good options for OCRing and reading text. It’s been a few years since a finished my doctorate, so I don’t know what’s on the market now.
ukifrit 3 points 1y ago
I'd say a good laptop will do the job for most of us these days, specially if you're from the global south, where specialized stuff for the blind are impossible for common people to buy.
Tarnagona 2 points 1y ago
I guess I should have mentioned that Kurzweil is a piece of software. (Oops)

I also had a laptop for taking notes in class. That way, I could take my own notes, instead of relying on a volunteer notetakers (I had some great notetakers, but others who were decidedly less great).
ukifrit 1 points 1y ago
really? The way people talk about it made me think it was some sort of hardware thing.
When my offline classes start next year, I'll use my smartphone only. Laptops are quite heavy for me to carry around all day.
Individual-Fan1639 3 points 1y ago
I’m reading this on Apollo like many sighted people here, but am totally blind. The key is a screenreader; built into iOS and Android.
If app developers write clean and accessible code, such as labeling all elements and universal use of descriptive alt text, then blind people can do anything. I won’t say what I do professionally, but it’s something most people are surprised that a blind person can do.
Like you I have not always been blind, but now am completely. I had to teach myself a lot and use automation to accomplish more. Sometimes you have to get pretty creative to solve problems when losing a sense.

Tl;dr - Screenreader, VoiceOver or Talk Back. Humans are adaptive as hell and I’m a persistent, blind one.
ukifrit 2 points 1y ago
I knew a blind professional music producer. I think he used hardware only for that. Nowadays you can do everything on Reaper or protools. Even Garage Band is enough for amateur stuff.
Individual-Fan1639 2 points 1y ago
GarageBand is borderline accessible with latest updates. 👍
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Iamheno 3 points 1y ago
In my Masters program now to be a VRT so unique position to comment, as I’m going to school so that I can prepare other people with BVI too go to schoo, if they desire. So here goes. . .


Technology: Software such as JAWS, Fusion, NVDA, Hardware such as refreshable Braille displays, ORCAM and OCRs, iPad/iPhone Apps such as Voice Dream reader with Bookshare, NLS, and BARD, Follett’s RedShelf. Digital recorders like a Victor reader.

Learning Braille, slate/stylus, Perkins brailler, Mountbatten, and an embosser.


Of course they could dictate as well.

There are as many answers to this question as there are people with BVI, because none of us are the same and what works for one May or may not work for another.
Wooden_Suit5580 2 points 1y ago
I went totally blind in 2015, in 2018 I decided to get off my butt and go back to school. In 2020 I received my Associates degree in psychology. And 2 weeks ago I started my new job. I have used various Technologies to help me reach my goals. I had tether a Bluetooth keyboard to my iPad and iPhone and that was how I completed my courses. Voiceover on iOS and Apple devices is amazing! If I could give any advice to anybody that is visually impaired or blind and wants to go to school, I would highly recommend talking to the disability resource center at the school you plan on attending. They can offer many accessible ways to help you complete your coursework. In my instance I was able to get my textbooks put onto a victor reader device which allows me to listen to the books in audio format. I did have some struggles with some graphs and other things that are visually represented.. are use windows 10, macOS, iPad, iPhone. All of these devices allow me to interact with the world. Do not feel that just because you’re losing vision or if your vision has gone that you cannot enjoy things that everybody else can. It is all in whoever you are or whoever you want to be.
One other thing I would recommend is if you have access to a support group for blind people then I would go there and also talk to those people because they can teach you a lot.
I hope this helps.
Wishing you the best.
Stay safe
Dietzgen17 2 points 1y ago
Decades ago, I knew a blind student at Harvard Law School. He was, of course, very smart, and had an excellent memory. He also had several human readers. Today, he'd use some text reader software. For writing, I believe he touch typed. This was before computers, so it was a lot harder to edit.
Rethunker 2 points 1y ago
I know a blind law student at Harvard Law School. The student can type QWERTY, knows Braille, and uses lots of apps. And to that lots and lots of studying, and more work beyond what even a sighted law student requires.
Dietzgen17 2 points 1y ago
> And to that lots and lots of studying, and more work beyond what even a sighted law student requires.

I have no doubt.
DrillInstructorJan 1 points 1y ago
Not to be glib, but normally by doing twice the work everyone else is doing. Doing it is not the hard part, because the alternative is sitting at home being a loser. The hard part is keeping on smiling while you do it and everyone else floats through life having it way easier.

Alcohol.
gunfart 1 points 1y ago
Life just isn’t as fun if you don’t have a good challenge to face. I usually tell people I spent the first 30 years of my life cited and healthy, now I will spend the next 30 without site playing life on hard mode. Got to have a little fun with it sometimes!
Rethunker 1 points 1y ago
And here’s a post in the statistics subreddit that has lots of good links:

https://www.reddit.com/r/statistics/comments/qolp6y/e_to_what_degree_can_my_legally_blind_son_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Rethunker 0 points 1y ago
This podcast about a blind judge may be of interest:

https://hadley.edu/podcasts/hadley-presents-conversation-experts/life-law-and-vision-loss-judge-tatel
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