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What's the best thing for someone guiding a person to do in an emergency? (self.Blind)
submitted by blankbee0
My best friend is blind and I usually would guide him by having him hold on to my elbow, and I will tell him if there is a hole, step, or curb ahead. He would sometimes bring a cane with him, but he leaves it in the car ninety percent of the time if he does.

Lately, I've been growing more and more concerned that we might go out and find ourselves in a dangerous situation that will require us to leave as fast as possible.

Other than leaving as soon as we recognize danger, what other advice is there?
retrolental_morose 9 points 1y ago
guiding someone needn't be a verbally-intensive or slow process. A tuned-in blind person at your elbow can go as fast as you can in many circumstances, and you can use body language to indicate steps, narrow spaces and so on, all-the-more efffectively if they are someone well-known to you. One of the highlights of walking with my guide dog was the fact that we didn't have to speak; I could enjoy a quiet morning stroll. I've had that with only a few sighted people over the years, because I'm not guided regularly or far enough for it to matter, but the theory is sound.
retrolental_morose 3 points 1y ago
To add, if this is seriously a concern to you and someone you guide regularly, make contingency plans. Practice speeding up with them. Train on signals for enclosed space, how you would handle having to zigzag things in your path, what you would do if you couldn't verbally communicate due to loud noise, panic etc. Establish codewords for things that are meaningful to you both so you can impart meaningful data without scaring others. Help familiarise your visually-impaired person with landmarks so they can describe the location and setting to others if needs-be. Lots of little things you can do to make real-world disaster into more practiced safety.
blankbee0 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you! This is very helpful!
Bsmith0799 4 points 1y ago
Molly burke speaks on a time she was at a concert or something and everyone panicked and ran at once, and her and her guide dog and her family were trying to navigate that. She loses her family and guide dog during the commotion and is risking being trampled. She has no sight at all to use as it's dark and she normally only has light perception. There's 10,000 people there.

That may be a good video to watch to get an idea of what it's like to be in a situation like that, as a blind or low vision person. And maybe from there you can plan to know what to do in advance to make things safer?

https://youtu.be/ZTxC9LIeD6Q
blankbee0 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
This is super helpful, this is one situation I worry about especially since he loves music and we will eventually be in dark and very crowded places. Thank you!
arosiejk 2 points 1y ago
As someone who used to go to concerts almost weekly: know your exits regardless of mobility or vision. Pay attention to anything that would be a problem while going in, such as narrow/shallow steps near an entrance that might not be uniform, doors that may open into your path, and any hazards on the way to the bathroom. I remember some venues had steps in the GA area that were unexpected.
Bsmith0799 2 points 1y ago
Its a bit of a longer video if I recall but should be a good perspective to have. Itll help you to know what to prepare for.

I can't imagine indoor places being much different except potentially it being ideal to stay against a wall so less directions for people to jostle you from.

The best way to guide might just be to have him stand behind you and put both hands, one on each of your shoulders in that situation, that way he's directly behind you and dodging any obstacles you dodge, feeling if you step up, if you step down, etc, and if you turn your head to speak he's right there.

Maybe I'm wrong though.
BenandGracie 4 points 1y ago
Have the person grab your arm and tell them to run! If it is life or death, I would think the person would forgive you any bumps or scrapes. Don’t over think it.
blankbee0 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
One thing I think about a lot is that he can definitely out run me. Do you think I should tell him to just run in a particular direction if I can't keep up for whatever reason?
BenandGracie 2 points 1y ago
In theory he should be carrying a cane on him somewhere. If you have to face him away from whatever it is and tell him to go, he should have some mobility skills to get clear. Honestly, if it is an emergency, you might just have to wing it. Others have recommended having a plan before hand, and that is probably your best option. I personally know in an emergency I might have to depend on myself.
laconicflow 2 points 1y ago
Practice running while he holds your elbow. Holding the elbow works so well because it's my default state, I don't have to think about it, because of how often I do it.

If this guy's your best friend, I'm sure you guys have a routine about mentioning obsticles and moving obsticles, like people.

The thing is, if shit goes bad quickly, I want to get the fuck out just as bad as you do, but but I'm relying on your vision to move us. Which means my job is to follow your directions while running.

No mobility teacher has ever taught me a different, emergency technique.
codeplaysleep 2 points 1y ago
The number one thing you can do in any emergency is to stay calm. If you're able to do that, then guiding your friend, finding exits, navigating safely, and avoiding getting swept into the crowd will be far, far easier. The number one thing your friend can do is stay calm and trust you.

Be aware of your surroundings when you enter a crowded space and plan how you will navigate the two of you to safety if you have to leave. Verbally explain to your friend where nearby exits are and the routes to get to them, and any hazards along the way like steps or pillars, so if you do end up needing to guide him away quickly, he at least has some idea of what to expect and the confidence that you have a plan.
HeftyCryptographer21 1 points 1y ago
You just kinda do it, you know? Just drag him along, if it is an emergency I am sure he would rather have a sprained ankle or something than to be stuck in whatever was happening. He should have his cane with him IMO though, it can be a little sketchy to be stuck out without it.
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