My best friend of 30 years is rapidly losing his eyesight to Leber Hereditary disease. I had a chance to visit him the other day and while he's getting around his house fine he told my wife and I he couldn't make out our faces at all. I can tell he's depressed as well and he lives alone.
I thought maybe a guide dog would be good for him. He's had dogs before and liked them but he couldn't deal with an untrained pet at this point. A trained dog would not only help him get around a little better but give some companionship.
For those of you that have obtained a guide dog how long was the process? I'm going to bring it up with him soon and see how he reacts but curious as to what others have gone through to get one. Thanks!
ECU_BSN8 points1y ago
A referral to an O&M therapist will also help if he hasn’t already.
EyesR4Nerds7 points1y ago
I don’t mean any disrespect, but as others have said, I don’t think you understand the gravity of what you’re saying
I’m speaking as someone who has been a guide dog handler for just over a decade. Getting a guide is an entire lifestyle change. When someone is newly becoming blind is not always the best time to get a guide, as there are many, many other skills to learn and transitions to navigate.
I second the recommendations to learn white cane skills and consider a pet for companionship first
Tarnagona7 points1y ago
I don’t have a guide dog, though I’ve looked in to getting one in future. Guide dog schools generally require good orientation & mobility (white cane) skills before they’ll consider someone for a guide dog. The reason is that there’s a lot more to getting around as a blind person than just telling your dog where to go, and they also want to make sure the handler has enough work for the dog. If someone doesn’t go out at all because they don’t know how to navigate safely without a dog, they probably won’t go out enough with the dog for the dog to get exercise and keep in practice.
The first step, therefore, is to get training with an orientation and mobility specialist. Exactly how to do that varies by region. After that, the process of applying, being assessed, and then being matched to a dog takes at least several months (wait times vary by school), and has become longer since COVID.
Unfortunately, while your friend might be a good candidate for a guide dog in future, it’s not something that can just happen in a few weeks.
ChaosReality69 [OP]7 points1y ago
Thank you for the info. I'll have to talk him into seeing an O&M specialist. He's been getting around but only because he goes to work and back home so he's familiar with his surroundings.
The hardest part may be getting him to accept that he will need to start using a cane someday. All I can do is encourage him and promise to get it painted with flames just for him.
MostlyBlindGamer5 points1y ago
Just so you know, I have red flame decals on my white cane.
Adventurous-Bid-93415 points1y ago
Lol my dads brothers and sister have guides, and yes, it takes time, as well as dedication. It sure seems to be worth it though! 😂 my dad has somehow used his charm and humans (family, friends) to get him about! We always had family dogs, though.. now he has a couple cats, which shocked me because small silent creepers always scared the shit out of him. Older and wiser!
Skriet6 points1y ago
You are a good friend!
TroubleLevel56804 points1y ago
Please PM me. I have a lovely blind friend with Leber’s who can talk to you about this.
ChaosReality69 [OP]2 points1y ago
I will when I have more time to chat. Thanks!
HeftyCryptographer213 points1y ago
he needs to be able to get around without the guide dog before he can get one. I would recommend he get a pet if that is what he wants. Obviously, it wouldn't work if he doesn't want one, but a guide dog is hard to get and expensive, and there are plenty of marvelous pets out there that need a home.
ChaosReality69 [OP]1 points1y ago
Oh I know there's plenty of pets that need a home. I guess I'm thinking ahead in case the Lebers progresses to 100% vision loss.
HeftyCryptographer213 points1y ago
even still though. No reason he can't get a dog! Unless he doesn't want one of course.
Complex_Platform_9813 points1y ago
It took two years for me to get my guide dog. It’s a long and intense process because they want to make sure you are capable of getting around with normal o&m skills. It’s a good recommendation but not something to be taken lightly. Guide dogs are a lot of work and trust.
ChaosReality69 [OP]1 points1y ago
2 years? Wow. I guess I need to bring up the idea soon and see what he thinks.
The work and trust with a guide dog would be good for him. I know he's having a hard time coping with this. He's always been great with animals as well.
TwinPurpleEagle2 points1y ago
Help your friend. Start applying for a guide dog NOW (at least fill out an initial application online and talk on the phone with staff members who can answer any questions you may have – you can always withdraw the application if you change your mind later) and get Orientation and Mobility training in the meantime. I've been informed there are wait times of 12 to 18 months to be given a class date after you are accepted into a school, and that's AFTER completing the application process itself which includes checking personal references, a medical report from your primary care physician and ophthalmologist, a phone interview, and then an in-person home interview and a Juno walk with an instructor.
Do some research! Do you have a preference for a specific dog breed or color or gender? Poodles for people with allergies, a high energy german shepherd, a golden retriever, or a typical labrador retriever? Are you willing to fly out of state to attend class? Would you prefer 2 week or 3 week long training? Do you have a preference on dog training methodology and the type of positive reinforcement used – food rewards, clicker training, or verbal praise and correction only? Do you have any other special needs such as using a wheelchair, muscle weakness, hearing issues, balance issues, sensory processing disorders, cognitive or neurological disorders, or any other physical or emotional concerns (PTSD, panic attacks, etc) that could impact your work with a guide dog? If you enjoy exercise, would you prefer a running guide?
What services are provided to graduates of the school? If your dog has problems with guide work, can a trainer come out and assist you quickly? Do you want or need funds for veterinary assistance? Do you have a preference on contact with puppy raisers and ownership of the dog after graduation?
If you use Facebook, there is a group for guide dog handlers here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/guidedoghandlersnetwork/?ref=share I am in the middle of applying for my very first guide dog and it's been really helpful in reading about the differences between all of the guide dog schools in the US and what to expect during the application process.
I am unable to imagine how tough the experience of vision loss over time must be because I was born visually impaired since birth – I am currently completely blind in my left eye and have 20/200 vision in my right eye – so I have grown up my entire life accustomed to receiving services for the blind and visually impaired, mainly through special education services provided by my school district.
There is a Facebook group for blind and visually impaired people which might be helpful: https://www.facebook.com/groups/259008737631118/?ref=share
What state are you in?
MaplePaws2 points1y ago
A guide dog is a huge lifestyle commitment and as somebody who had a service dog for other disabilities then trained my current dog for guide work as I was losing vision they would be really limiting themselves by not focusing on O&M first. My situation still means that getting a referral for an instructor is pretty close to if not actually impossible, with my current dog retiring and my next one only being 9 weeks old I am a long way from having that independence again if my older dog decides to fully retire sooner rather than later. Now my situation is far from the norm but it does put me in the unique situation to recognize the why it is important for blind individuals to have a solid background in O&M.
PrincessDie1232 points1y ago
Finding cane mobility courses would be faster and actually help with the application process for a guide dog as the dogs need sick days sometimes too. Look for Orientation and Mobility classes near your friend so they can teach him how to adapt to his new circumstances.
je972 points1y ago
Which country/organisation are you dealing with?
B_Bussen3 points1y ago
I got my dog at leaderdog through the lions club. They want to make sure you have goog mobility skills befor getting a dog. In our state, Kansas, they have what we use to call a home teacher who would help you learn skills around the house as well as mobility. I had fair mobility skills as I've been blind all my life, so we were at the school for a month. If I can answer any questions, write.
ChaosReality69 [OP]3 points1y ago
We live in the US.
I haven't mentioned it to him yet and obviously need him involved in the process.
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