Blind people don’t understand colours-(self.Blind)
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Hey Community, it often frustrates myself when sighted people tell an individual who is literally blind, the sky is blue, or I can see red and green in the rainbow or the car is orange, stuff like that. Now I am not totally blind myself I can see in one eye however I am totally blind in my other eye have been all my life. So I understand what people see or don’t see to be more specific who are totally blind, describing colours to a blind man is like a blind person trying to describe the sound of a piano to a deaf man, it just can’t be done.
So I suggest sighted people use objects to describe colours, like feeling dirt for example for the colour brown, or the sound of the ocean for the colour blue. Sighted people need to be more careful how they describe things to individuals who are totally blind or who may be blind or have some light perception. What are your thoughts?
EyesR4Nerds14 points1y ago
Yes and no, personally. Although I may not understand “orange” in the same way a sighted person does, I still find it useful to know that my shirt is orange. To me, I use this information to understand if the color of an object matches or clashes, and what might look nice together. Blind or not, I’m still interested in art, color and design.
Other descriptions can add information, but I’m certainly not bothered by sighted people using color words.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
As I said describing colours to a blind person is like us trying to describe music instruments sounds to a deaf person it’s literally not possible.
NoClops2 points1y ago
Have you ever had a convo with a deaf person about sounds? I haven’t, but I sort of think your analogy or comparison may not be true. Sound can be felt. I wonder if the feeling plus description can give a deaf person input about sound. Not an explicit argument, just an idea provoked by your post.
Edit: typo
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
That’s very interesting 🙂
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
I think even a taste of a fruit or something like that would be a good way of describing colours, for example they could say your shirt is like the taste of a strawberry today and your shorts are like the sound of the sea that way you can still get an understanding of if something clashes or is it a good match. Like I’m honestly not at all trying to be rude or sound mean or anything it’s just trying to give more guidance for sighted people I can say this because I know what totally blind people see it’s literally Nothing so the colours don’t register in the brain however sounds, taste and touch do so let’s use them for colours.
EyesR4Nerds13 points1y ago
I am speaking as a blind person, but it’s okay if we have different opinions here. To me, I have no idea if the taste of a strawberry and the sounds of the sea go together or not. I do know what colors match, so it’s just personally more helpful. Again, nothing wrong with us experiencing the world differently, just wanted to share my opinion.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
Yes, that’s perfectly fine.
AceyAceyAcey6 points1y ago
But tastes and sound aren’t the same as colors. Do you perhaps have synesthesia?
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
I have no idea, that’s a very good point I’ll look into that. Are you totally blind yourself?
AceyAceyAcey3 points1y ago
No, I have typical vision, but my partner has vision issues.
Tarnagona13 points1y ago
Ummm, no? I do have some vision, but I’m colour blind. And if I ask someone what colour something is, I want to know what colour it is. I may not see red the same way a sighted person does, but if I ask you what colour my red shirt is and you tell me, “it tastes like strawberries”, that’s not helpful.
Now, if I ask you to describe the colour red, then, in that situation, I think you can use “the taste of strawberries, the smell of roses, the feel of velvet” or whatever other descriptions to give a sense of things that are red, and emotions which the colour red evokes.
I could see that being useful to understand a little more of what “red” means to a sighted person. But if I’m looking for the red crayon, just tell me which one is red.
OneSubscriber982 points1y ago
Thank You so much for your explanation and advice! 🙂
BenandGracie9 points1y ago
You are missing the practical side of this. As a totally blind guy, I don’t need to know what a color looks like. I actually need to know what color certain things are. For example, if I need to describe what type of car I am being picked up in, I need to know what color it is to tell another sighted person. I may not know what Red looks like, but if the car my mom drives is Red, then that is helpful.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
I probably agree with you on that point however what’s your opinion when someone says the blue sky when describing it as that has no benefit as yourself is unaware of what blue is I agree with you about the car sure.
BenandGracie5 points1y ago
You are missing the point knowing what a color looks like is unimportant. I have never seen a color and never will. I am not offended if someone says the sky is Blue.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
Okay I see your point, I might just leave it there. Thank You
OldManOnFire9 points1y ago
This is going to sound harsh but I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. I'm making a point and making it bluntly because I feel this is important.
If you're upset by this the problem might be you, not them.
I don't want sighted people to walk on eggshells around me. I don't want my friends to censor themselves - I want them to be themselves. I won't waste energy by being offended when no offense was intended and I won't insist they stop using visual comparisons just because I'm here.
Honestly, your post gives off "You're in America, speak English or leave!" vibes. I don't think you realized that and I think you're a good enough person to understand how ignorant and entitled that attitude sounds once it's brought to your attention. Some people speak with accents, others refer to distances in miles instead of kilometers, and I wouldn't dream of demanding they make an effort to speak in a way they're not comfortable with so I am more comfortable listening.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
Your very much welcome to your opinion and I was not offended at all. No I wasn’t trying to have the attitude of speak English, this is simply an idea and a suggestion for people who can see. I’ll ask you how would you describe the sound of an music instrument to a deaf person let’s say you learned sign language would be possible? No it wouldn’t be and I’m not being harsh I’m being practical, I have I think on an occasion had this discussion with a good friend of mine before and I don’t remember exactly what his opinion was however I’m sure he was open to the idea.
lucas18535 points1y ago
No I disagree with this respectfully but wholeheartedly. As somebody blind from birth (only light perception but no shadows or anything and certainly no colors) this is one of those things where we just kind of have to adapt by having a map in our mind of what different colors mean in my opinion. I'd equivocate this to the whole watching thing where sighted people sometimes try to avoid sight-centric language like watching a movie although on a lesser scale; what I mean by that is that this seems like something a sighted person would assume blind people would want.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
I am totally blind in my right eye and I have been all my life and low vision in the other eye. So I understand what those who are totally don’t see which is literally nothing one of my good friends has similar vision to yourself he has always to however since he does have some light perception in both eyes it’s not really possible for him to understand what a totally blind vision is like, there are different spectrums as your probably aware therefore I try to imagine what it’s like to be totally blind in my other eye and basically I came to the conclusion that it just wouldn’t be possible to describe colours to a blind by say that’s blue or that’s red because it doesn’t register however after talking to people here I suppose it kind of doesn’t matter to much.
FaerilyRowanwind5 points1y ago
There is a fantastic book called the black book of colors where it describes color as smells and tastes and such.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
That is fantastic, thank You so much I might buy it for a friend of mine.
FaerilyRowanwind3 points1y ago
It’s tactile too and technically has brailke in it but it’s done with this odd material. Check it out. It’s fun.
r_12354 points1y ago
I don't think any way of describing is right or wrong. Color is just a characteristic or feature of things. It's all just best educated guess on what would be suitable to describe based on situations. A blind fellow who also lacks sense of taste won't like the description with taste. I can see most of colors, but some just look like something else to me regardless of descriptions. For example, I find very dark shades of most colors as plain black, and white for very lighter ones.
DrillInstructorJan4 points1y ago
The thing I don't understand is when people say they forget what colours are. I could see until I was 19, which isn't that old and was a long long time ago now, but I don't think I'm ever going to forget colours and some other things. My memory could be completely wrong at this point but every interaction and discussion I have about it tells me it isn't. Maybe it differs for different people, I don't know.
NoClops2 points1y ago
I saw for 23 years. I haven’t for 13. The only thing I seem to forget visually is how random words are spelled. Sometimes I intentionally envision them as I speak, just to exercise my memory. I think it’s usually because english words have so many different phonetic rules. But, I also notice it happens with super small/simple words like “of”. In the latter, I don’t quite forget, but it just seems strange when I think about the two letters, o and f, making up the word “of”. (funny note: had 2 misspelled in this comment alone: “intentionly” and “invision”. correction, 3: “mispelled”) if you’re curious/wanna know how my brain thinks, I typed them as I had misspelled them in my “funny note” portion.
DrillInstructorJan2 points1y ago
Whew, it's such a relief to discover I'm not the only weirdo.
My party piece is that I can write quite legibly, which I try to do regularly so I don't forget how. It's useful for greetings cards and suchlike.
NoClops2 points1y ago
Yes! A few years ago, my friend bought me a journal because she saw me write a note to a professor, and we had a conversation about how much I still like to write. I don’t know how legible my journal writing is, though.
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
I lost my vision at 8 my sight was very very bad almost not much to speak of teachers started me off with braille and didn’t even teach me print and always used a cane since 5 but I think I can remember colors too.
bradley223 points1y ago
I disagree that they need to be careful, it's just everyday language.
I may not know what x colour is but I think as another poster says it's useful to know if the car I'm being picked up in is blue or whatever colour is it to help sighted people help me.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
Interesting 🙂
bradley221 points1y ago
:)
r_12353 points1y ago
Some thoughts:
Wonder if keywords associated with each color would help for totally blind guys. Say, for things like hot, warm, fire, colors like red, orange and yellow would be associated. And from that, one can probably make educated guess about other hot things, say an engine of an airplane, or, even sun. Not that sun looks red, it looks very bright white to me. But is depicted red or yellow in kid's drawings, space photographs etc. But, Morning and evening sun does look orange or yellow mostly. And, extreamly hot fires can look blue or white as well. So, that's that.
For cool things, And I mean that in the temprature sense, not in that car is cool sense, colors like blue, white, and I don't know what other colors would be associated.
Then, you can go an associate each color with some keywards, and that can help one in making an educated guess about what a thing might look like.
Making educated guess is not the point. But, in a world where many things exist, and it's not always possible to ask what the hell every thing's color is, having basic assumptions can help. But basic assumptions will probably cause someone some day that Oh, Is that it's color! moment.
For me, not everything is visible, and even I make assumptions about a thing's color or it's size, simply because I didn't have time to ask anyone how that thing really looks like. Audio descriptions from movies also help.
There's a podcast called "Talk Description to me". Wonder if they have done an episode on colors yet.
OneSubscriber981 points1y ago
Thank You very much and I think they are good ideas. Are you blind your? Light perception?
WorldlyLingonberry403 points1y ago
The color wheel is useful. Also, learning fashion tips will always explain color matching.
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