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How did you deal with losing sight? (self.Blind)
submitted by DHamlinMusic
As the title suggests I was wondering how everyone here dealt with losing their sight, I was inspired to ask this after reading among several previous posts one from a while back about someone being sick of being inspiring to others, I don't have the patience to attempt to link to that post but it was from about 11 months ago.

In my case I, at least according to others, have dealt with it extremely well but that is important due to how my current visual acuity came to be. I lost my sight, or at least the majority of it, after my girlfriend now fiance and I were the victim of a violent home invasion turned arson just shy of 2 years ago. I spent 20 days in the hospital with multiple stab wounds to my face head and neck, and while my vision is permanently damaged to the point of minimal functional vision at all I, to my somewhat own surprise, was optimistic about that fact as it was the only permanent damage despite all of my injuries, and the fact that my fiance was not injured at least physically, and we did not lose anything that was not replaceable for the most part. While I did not have anyone tell me I was inspiring for handling everything so well I did apparently impress the nurses at the ICU over my optimistic acceptance of what happened to me and how it had affected my vision, but as I have looked at it since this all occurred what's a bit of sight in return for all of my other mental faculties being intact, no long-term physical or cognitive damage, and my fiance and I being otherwise well.
Fridux 9 points 1y ago
I shrugged it off for as long as I maintained the ability to read, but once I went totally blind and realized that my vision wasn't coming back I became suicidal. This lasted for 5 years until I figured that I could still code blind. Programming is my only real interest in life, and the thought of living without being able to produce software really affected me. I knew that there were blind programmers out there all along, but thought I lacked the skill to deal with the mental drag caused by doing it without sight.

I'm the kind of person who likes to feel in control at all times, and blindness brought a lot of uncertainty to my life that I still have some trouble dealing with because I hate to be on my toes in any situation, so I'm not very independent by default. I've been trained in rehabilitation, and I do know that I can fend for myself, but I'm too insecure to try it when I have my family around to take care of me.
LeDoTa 4 points 1y ago
Can you send me some sources on how to code blind?
Fridux 4 points 1y ago
There's nothing special or fundamentally different about coding blind, you just need to learn to listen to the screen-reader, or read off a Braille display if you prefer, instead of actually reading from the screen. There's a recent thread about this subject here on /r/Blind to which I $1 with a bit more detail.
LeDoTa 3 points 1y ago
Are you self taught?
Fridux 3 points 1y ago
Yes, but most of what I learned was learned with sight. I've been coding since I was 15, am 39 now, and have been totally blind for almost 8 years.
Davidbrcz 3 points 1y ago
Are there fields, languages, and technology you don't use / don't work with ?

I've RP, and I'm software développer too (mostly c++ for desktop applications or embedded devices), and I'm pretty sure the language is not accessible when I see the 10 000 line build logs I handle at work.
Fridux 3 points 1y ago
If you mean due to my vision, yes, I avoid Python because of its reliance on white space, however there are many blind Python programmers out there, and even if it wasn't for white space being part of the syntax I'd still avoid it since I have a strong preference for static languages. I also avoid web front-ends because Cascading Style Sheets are too unpredictable.

If you mean in general, I kinda lost the train on neural networks, and lack the math background to properly understand cryptography. I also have absolutely no experience with Android, even as a user, beyond the fact that it runs on the Linux kernel.

As for C++ I haven't written a single line of code in it since before going blind, but I can understand that template errors must be very hard to follow without sight. Fortunately there's Rust now, which also produces very long but human readable and very descriptive error messages, and since generics in Rust are not Turing complete like templates in C++, people don't abuse them the same way they do it in C++, so the most complex stuff you can find in Rust are probably the lifetime annotations which are the secret behind the safety guarantees of the borrow checker.
DHamlinMusic [OP] 3 points 1y ago
Very happy to hear you've been able to continue coding, I am a classically trained pianist but I was primarily a site reader and have been running into significant difficulty finding sources for learning to read Braille music as the Hadley School for the blind offloaded their Braille music program on the national library system and did not bother actually organizing it in any way so the NLS is basically completely lost figuring out which documents go with which audiobook / talking book files etc.
QuentinJamesP89 3 points 1y ago
I know the feeling. It's quite discouraging. I took a brief course in braille music from Hadley a number of years ago, when I still had enough sight to read enlarged sheet music at the piano. I've always liked learning new things and have always tried to keep up with braille, just in case. However, once I lost most of my vision the little I'd learned from that course seemed like basically nothing. I had to start over last year, and find other resources and practice materials. I was able to find resources from the NLS, though; what are you having trouble with? Do you have a rehabilitation counselor? Mine was very helpful. Dancing dots has some resources, too. https://www.dancingdots.com/main/braillemusicinstruction.htm Braille music, particularly for complex piano music, is pretty overwhelming and I still struggle recognizing all the symbols and putting everything together. I still use a combination of braille and print, but it remains one of the biggest frustrations of my life to be unable to just sight read at the piano.
DHamlinMusic [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Not sure what you mean by a rehab counselor, everything around here got screwed up by the pandemic pretty bad and took us several months just to get any services at all from the commission for the blind because they were deemed not essential and we're basically shut down. I've basically been on my own fine and out even at the NLS had the Hadley school stuff was a lot of work in the first place and my attempt at contacting them to get anything have been less than productive.
QuentinJamesP89 3 points 1y ago
Yeah, that was my experience too, having had a ton of eye surgeries and vision loss last year near the beginning of the pandemic. I had a lot of trouble getting services, but by the time I was relatively stable things were beginning to open back up again. They tried zoom instruction at first and it was a nightmare. It took a while but by now I've been able to get some training and it's been useful. My rehab worker helped me locate materials I needed, though I largely self studied. It probably helped that I had already taken the course from Hadley a while back. I'm not at all proficient in reading braille music, but I have looked over a lot of their braille music resources so let me know if there's any way I can help. Links to the Hadley courses are at the bottom of this page to download in large print or through BARD. Do you know braille already? https://www.loc.gov/nls/braille-audio-reading-materials/music-materials/ You could also contact the NFB and see if they can get you in touch with anyone who may be able to help. They have an email list for blind musicians as well.
sunny1sotrue117 8 points 1y ago
I’ve never had perfect vision, but my sight has gotten worse over the years. I cry sometimes and throw little pity parties but I don’t let myself wallow too much, only when something really frustrates me. I feel like if I pity myself for something I can’t change, I’ll have a terrible time going through life feeling like shit all the time so I try to make the best of it and use it as a learning opportunity for others.
DHamlinMusic [OP] 5 points 1y ago
Yeah I definitely have been there, definitely a great attitude to have.
Crafty_Dragon_roll 5 points 1y ago
Was it mine? Lol I posted one myself around the same time.

For me it's hard. I have good days and bad days. I'm learning to accept it. I know part of it for me is the knowing that it didn't have to get this bad. But I couldn't afford treatment. So it got worse. And ive been angry.

Growing up I always heard how America is the greatest country in the world. But what's great about not having affordable Healthcare? Whats great about not earning enough to be able to afford going to the doctor? What's great about watching your vision deteriorate because your government doesn't care about the people.

I have insurance now, so I've been able to start going to the doctor, but the vision loss isn't reversible. And I still can't afford to have the surgery to get the scar tissue removed. I just started therapy to help me work through and deal with what's going on, but I think a part of me will always be angry.
DHamlinMusic [OP] 3 points 1y ago
Yeah I think it might have been your post the username seems familiar, and about what you said about insurance that's all absolutely true.
Crafty_Dragon_roll 4 points 1y ago
I had made a gingerbread house.

We pay so much for insurance in this country, but get little in return. It makes me sad as well. It's ridiculous that it's more affordable to travel to another country to get medical care than it is to stay here.
DHamlinMusic [OP] 4 points 1y ago
Yeah it was definitely your post then I remember that thing about the gingerbread house, was it a tasty gingerbread house because gingerbread in my experience is like trying to chew cardboard most of the time. Yeah I'm lucky in that regards sort of in that I've been on disability for a decade or so and because I was found to be disabled before I was 22 I'm allowed to stay on my parents insurance through their employer so I rarely have any medical expenses, which was very helpful when I was in the hospital as the bills from everything totaled well over 1 million dollars which I do not have.
Crafty_Dragon_roll 3 points 1y ago
Yes it was. It was my grandmother's recipe I've tweaked a bit. You've gotta get the spices right, or the flavor is just blah. I'm glad you were able to stay on your parents insurance.
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
I am a totally blind diabetic I need special equipment that talks to me the insurance is being a pain and will not accomodate and will not cover the strips for the machine I need. They wouldn’t cover the machine either, but….. that wasn’t too expensive.
Davidbrcz 4 points 1y ago
Badly, depressed, no real motivation for anything.
rumster 5 points 1y ago
Would talking to others that have similar issues as you help you or motivate?
Davidbrcz 5 points 1y ago
The few times I've tried, I felt worse afterwards because it was a direct vision of what was coming, and it was shitty.
blazblu82 3 points 1y ago
Although I'm not totally blind, I've suffered enough vision loss over the past 2.5 years to be down to 50% in left eye only. Behind the scenes, this has put me through a rollercoaster of emotions. Seems like whenever something new happens to cause further deterioration, I'm riding that rollercoaster again for a while. However, when I'm around others, they can't tell. I've been told by a few family members that I appear to be handling things well.

I feel much of this journey would have been much easier to handle if I were not dealing with it alone.
Key_Hedgehog_5773 2 points 1y ago
Hrm. I’m not exactly sure how I’ve dealt with it. Congenital glaucoma, I’ve always had terrible vision and correction was/is difficult at best. Growing up was difficult with super thick glasses, teachers were told to be helpful and rarely were. I was eventually placed in the ‘special education’ group because I couldn’t function in many classrooms. My schools were ‘progressive’, the blackboards were light gray with blue chalk. I did not do well, did at least graduate. Now, 30y later, I’m a Unix sysadmin, I have 1 “working” that corrects to > 20/200, and extreme cataracts ( complete loss of vision In the right eye in 2014).

My sight is getting progressively worse due to cataracts, but due to the high number of surgeries as a child, doctors are unwilling to chance doing a replacement lens. I may have an option at the local university med center, but Covid is keeping that option far away, and they not know if it will work or help.

Very frustrated, bitter, angry. I keep trying to do things that I know aren’t going to turn out how I want. When I turned 40 (48 now), I decided to learn how to airbrush. Dumb. Then I got into woodworking… power tools aren’t a great idea with no depth perception and inability to see measuring marks. I want to build guitars, but it’s just not in the cards. I still work, my employer has indicated they’ll do everything they can to keep me even if / when I totally lose the remainder of my sight.

Still frustrating, still bitter, still angry. I try to keep it in check, but it just takes one “time for glasses!” comment from some assclown to spin me right back around.

I realize I’m lucky in that I have insurance and have some small sight left, I have a supportive family and employer. Doesn’t help when I start spiraling into the bitter.
EffectiveYak0 2 points 1y ago
I went completely blind for about four months. Doctors couldn't tell me how much vision if any that I was going to get back. It was hard, and I for sure had moments where I felt like I contemplated ending my life if I wasn't going to get any vision back. But really I found that learning how to use a screen reader and listening to a lot of inspiring and interesting podcasts help distract me enough to get me level and allowed some vision to heal as well.

I still get sad from time to time because I can't do a lot of the things that I loved doing before losing vision, but I am glad I'm lucky enoguh to be alive. If not for my vision loss I'd probably be a dead man.
DHamlinMusic [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Yeah my vision was nothing but what sort of look like black plastic for about a month after everything and then it started getting little but almost looked like shadows on black for a while, in the intervening time before anything started coming back I had a ophthalmologist tell me I was never going to see again and had at least a couple people doubt I was seeing anything at all when it started coming back. I think I basically just stuck with the well only thing that got permanently damaged was my site and otherwise I'm fine, everything I care about is fine / everyone I care about is fine, it could have been worse. In the almost 2 years since my girlfriend now fiance and I've had a daughter which is a whole different type of experience to do without really any functional vision, but we're doing good more or less our whatever would really be nice if this pandemic would end at some point in time.

I have definitely had those days where I just feel like crap, or something that I previously would have been able to do no issue causes me no end of difficulty and sends me into a depressed mopey I'm going to go hide in the bed and never come out type mood, I have a counselor I see once a month and can call if I need to which is definitely helpful.
ratadeacero 2 points 1y ago
Unfortunately, my wife turned to alcohol. She had worked all her life and eventually she had to give up her license as her vision got worse (progressive cone dystrophy). She did have some good resources and learned braille and had a mobility coach for cane training. The only job they could steer her to was folding laundry next to some really mentally handicapped people that she used to supervise when she ran group homes. She just couldn't do it. The depression of losing sight coupled with boredom led her to drink. Eventually, she became physically addicted. Like she would get the shakes, start to hallucinate , and become violently ill when she would try and stop. (Pro tip: if you're physically addicted to alcohol don't try and stop on your own. It can literally kill you. Go see a doctor ). She eventually signed into a detox program at a local hospital. After the program and seeing a counselor, I'm happy to say she hasn't had any alcohol in 3 years. It sucka but she has also become more at peace with the inevitable shrinking eyesight. I think the counselor helped. She was definitely more depressed in the early stages of vision loss (her loss started at age 30). She's thrown herself into housekeeping, working with our kid on education, and goes out of her way to help friends. She will often babysit to help out friends. She's found purpose again in all these activities. Even though there were hard times, our family is coping and taking it as it comes.
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
I was 8 when I lost all of it and didn’t have much to begin with. I suppose I knew when the end was, I knew I was losing it, but I am the type that just deals with things, and surpresses feelings and just deal with it. Most people think I handled it just fine. But not sure. Maybe I had thoughts that I didn’t tell people. I didn’t have much sight by 5 or 6 so at that point I’ve been doing things the blind way anyway, braille, was way way underway, I was not taught print, and stuff. I was taught to use a cane since I was 5 or so.

I did miss things like riding a tricycle. Driving a little kids go cart wreklessly to b funny. And such.
r_1235 1 points 1y ago
OMG, what a scary experience. Glad to know that you and your partner managed to recover back from that horrible experience.

I became blind at the age of 1, so, personally it didn't affect me I suppose. More or less I am like a born blind person, with little vision sufficient enough to navigate in appropriate lighting conditions independently.

Depressed thoughts, Yeah, I have them when things go wrong. But I think I have a personality where I just refuse to ponder over defeats for long, so a bit of cursing and may be breaking things, I get back to work. Talking to people, disabled or no disabled also helped me. Sometimes, one just needs a listening ear, to things to pore in to, to thoughts to communicate with. And, Lol, a online place where you can read about fellow blind people, ask for help, help others, also helps. :D
DrillInstructorJan 1 points 1y ago
Slowly and horribly but it was worth it.
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