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What are some stereotypes to avoid when writing blind characters? (self.Blind)
submitted by the_orca_jungle
I am working on a novel where most of the main characters are blind or low vision.

I am legally blind myself so I can work some of my own experiences into the story, but I also don’t know what it’s like to be completely blind since birth. I haven’t really seen any depictions of blind characters in young adult fiction who are portrayed as regular people doing regular things.

Now this isn’t to say that the characters’ disabilities haven’t affected their lives or identities. Of course, it will be a part of the story, but it won’t be everything. I am trying to strike a balance between their lives and their disabilities which is difficult for a few reasons. I can’t speak for the entire blind community and if I tried to do that, it would end horribly.

Instead, I want to craft a story where being blind is both essential and nonessential to understanding the characters on a human level.

What are some things I should keep in mind? What are some stereotypes I should definitely avoid and what are things you wish you saw more of in regards to blind characters?

Edit: to clarify, their blindness is important to the plot of the story. it follows a group of blind teenagers living in the dorms at Pacific Tech as they learn how to become self-sufficient and confident and all that nice fuzzy-wuzzy coming-of-age stuff
retrolental_morose 20 points 1y ago
well, the 2 obvious things to me are to avoid either the useless blind person or the superhero blind person. The visually-impaired are generally polarised in fiction, of course, so if you can tread a middle ground between these you might get somewhere.

I daresay you've already had the "we don't feel faces", "can wipe our bottoms", can usually see in our dreams if we had sight previously" things just by reading the last week or so of posts on here.

Be interested to read what you come up with. I've never seen any fiction before where more than 1 or 2 people have a significant visual impairment.
the_orca_jungle [OP] 7 points 1y ago
Thanks. I’ll definitely keep that in mind. I will post something on here when I get started :)
No-Satisfaction7842 3 points 1y ago
You mean there are other blind people who can wipe their own butts?? I thought I was special! :p
bradley22 1 points 1y ago
Same!
NeuroticNomad 12 points 1y ago
I'm all for representation, but weary of tokenism. Unless the plot of the story depends on the character being blind, I would only mention it in passing - saying things like:

"I'm so used to talking to Dave that phrases like 'to the left of the chair' instead of 'over there' come natural to me and I forget that not everyone talks that way".

Also -- we live in the 21st century. Alexa, Siri, and Google Assistant all make life pretty normal.

PLUS we have our own cool tools. You can say things like:

"Staci swiped away at her phone, the screen dark but a voice quickly letting her know what she was tapping on. She navigated so quickly that she found the address faster than I could - but I admit I was slowed down by watching her fingers move so gracefully."

OH! I know one stereotype to avoid! The "can't even see light" blind guy. UGH!! That's super rare IRL.

In my life, friends and coworkers will often 'forget' I'm blind -- and last week a maintenance person commented on the GIANT text spread across three screens on my desk and I unfolded my white cane and smiled. His response was that he could not tell I was blind at all. I told him at home I know where everything is so during the day I look sighted. At night I've had friends ask to turn on a lamp. Kinda embarrassing. I have them on timers now.

So, I suppose my advice is: 1. Just write them as sighted and then remove/change anything they have to do differently if it MUST be mentioned. 2. Don't make them unrealistically blind. They can see light and movement and maybe even read the biggest of big print if forced to.

A quick "Blindness is a spectrum" convo (without getting preachy) is usually enough and maybe have them use a magnifier app on their phone to read signs or menus or something.
the_orca_jungle [OP] 6 points 1y ago
Forgot to mention in my post that the story revolves around a group of blind teenagers enrolled in a summer program where they learn independent living skills. So yes, their disabilities are important to the story and they are not just blind for the sake of being blind. I really hate tokenism too and it drives me crazy when a great character with so much potential is reduced to a single stereotype. Also, thanks for the ideas :)
retrolental_morose 4 points 1y ago
sounds like the potential start of ... hm: a gothic splatterpunk? a techno scifi adventure? who knows...
NeuroticNomad 2 points 1y ago
Go check out Molly Burke on YouTube, Instagram, and I think she's on TilTok, too.

She's divisive (isn't everyone on social media?) but as a young person she reminds us that just because she's blind doesn't mean she can't be into fashion and makeup and her cell phone and gadgets, and dating, and living an online life.

I am deeply curios as to the mix of personalities and backgrounds of your teens. (Some sheltered, some ignored, some introverts, dome with chips on their shoulders, etc.)

So -- to apply my previous comment to this new info -- write them as a variety of normal teens, with normal flaws and normal strengths... just now they've got this one additional thing they are having to deal with.
No-Satisfaction7842 1 points 1y ago
I watched quite a few of Molly‘s videos when I first came across her YouTube channel several years ago. What is she divisive about, out of curiosity? Do other blind people take issue was some of her approaches? Is it something else entirely, like her fashion sense, politics? She seems like a very pleasant, enthusiastic and intelligent young lady
NeuroticNomad 1 points 1y ago
I (personally) don't have an issue with her; but far be it from me to dictate how others should feel or what their opinion should be.

The Molly Burke kerfuffle breaks down onto two categories of offended people, feeding off one-another's energy.

* Category #1: Molly "prostituted" her blindness out as a prop to other channels just for views and to juice her own subscriber count. She's a sellout.
* $1
* Category #2 : (The bigger/uglier one). Molly is a bad (Capital R) Representative of the (Capital D) Disabled (Capital C) Community. She mis-represents being disabled because most disabled people don't have the kind of money and access that she does. She's a rich girl and richness is bad., Boooo.
* $1

**Keep in mind I am choosing the most extreme viewpoints from each of these groups; using exaggeration as shorthand and make no claims to the actual options of any one individual.**
the_orca_jungle [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you :)
SpicyBeefwater 2 points 1y ago
Adding Lucy Edwards to this list - she’s UK-based (and may have some differences of experiences with say, the NHS), but I’ve learned a lot from her in writing my own blind character.
No-Satisfaction7842 1 points 1y ago
Yeah. I’ve encountered the flattering “didn’t even know you were blind” comments but the dark side of that is the, “you must not really be blind” or “you’re faking it” comments, which I’ve also encountered… Sometimes with some genuine hostility. Ugh
NeuroticNomad 2 points 1y ago
Yeah -- back in 2009 when things got particularly bad for a year or so, I had a few whispers about faking when out in public. My then-wife got BENT OUT OF SHAPE and handed a few people their own butts after she chewed them off.

I tend to take a Zen Approach and forgive those not as far on the path of enlightenment. Stupid people can't help it.

As for the jerks, I smile to myself knowing that mental and emotional ugliness is poison and they will die relatively young and in an unpleasant manner. :)
NoClops 1 points 1y ago
I tell people I’ve had both eyes removed, and sometimes they still don’t believe that I can’t see. Sometimes, just to get the message across with a bit of pizzazz, I’ll tap an eyeball with a pen or other hard object so they can hear the click.
I like all of your ideas and cautions. The thing I would focus on is how the senses change. So many people say that my other senses must’ve gotten stronger. I like to explain it as they’re not so much stronger, as they’ve moved into the forefront/focus of my world.
NeuroticNomad 3 points 1y ago
The analogy I use is this:

Losing your legs doesn't magically make your arms stronger -- but depending on your arms every day to lift your whole body in and out of bed, into the bath, onto the toilet, and to push your wheelchair around everywhere you go definitely makes your arms stronger.

My hearing isn't any better, but my LISTENING has much improved.
tasareinspace 7 points 1y ago
I hate when blind characters in stories are just blind. Like in some media it makes sense but in things with modern medicine, you should know what diagnosis your blind character has.
the_orca_jungle [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Agreed. Throughout my research for this story and the interactions I’ve had with other blind people, I’ve realized that blindness exists on a spectrum. I think it is hard for sighted people to understand this because they don’t have many interactions with blind people and that lack of communication leads to misunderstanding and misrepresentation when it comes to writing these characters. Also, a lot of writers tend to write what they know and just stick with that.
tasareinspace 2 points 1y ago
Yeah it’s hard to research and write about things you don’t know. But I think it’s great when blind people are well researched in media, to help more people understand the whole spectrum.
ImpairedPhilosopher 4 points 1y ago
Just avoid stereotypes tbh. Eg, not every blind person uses a cane or reads braille
No-Satisfaction7842 3 points 1y ago
> Instead, I want to craft a story where being blind is both essential and nonessential to understanding the characters on a human level.


That alone means you are several steps ahead of like 99% of Hollywood filmmakers LOL. Beautifully worded and I think that’s the key. It’s not that we want people to pretend our blindness doesn’t exist or isn’t a part of our identities, just to see that it’s far from the only part of our identities
the_orca_jungle [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you!
ThisBlindChickReads 3 points 1y ago
I am legally blind as well with a degenerative disease that will leave me completely blind ... I came across "In the Dark" on Netflix and am mostly really liking how themsin character is blind but her blindness is not the storyline and she doesn't seem tokenized either... It is the first blind character that I have come across that I like. Maybe check that series out?
NeuroticNomad 2 points 1y ago
Thanks for the reminder! I need to catch Season 3. It's a total soap opera but I LOVE IT.
ThisBlindChickReads 1 points 1y ago
Just found a discrepancy with people who are losing vision ... But don't want to give spoilers ... Sad face
ThisBlindChickReads 1 points 1y ago
Ha! You are welcome! Yeah I am starting season 3 and just heard they are releasing a 4th season ... I am hooked!
the_orca_jungle [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thanks :)
TechnicalPragmatist 2 points 1y ago
Us totally blind people without light perception definitely exist and are not that rare don’t completely shy away from writing one or two of these in your novel honestly I feel this sub does pull away from the total blindness community a little.

Sound like an interesting idea. I know you pmed me before about a blind training center. I may be able to help you more generally. Like I said I’ve never been to a center itself but have done a lot in life despite being totally blind.


I can’t help you like I said about the centers but if you want to talk more to a totally blind person we can do that.

I think you should have some people be without light perceptions too.

I will tel you the total group when I have been part of a community with most of the people in it that has been pretty heavily sheltered and most if not all of that group is total, can be a real drama fest. Heh!

If you want a experience and have 5 dollars to spare, or so, go over to vorail and go experience it for yourself. Hahaha!

I think the idea of a little knott of them who are totals would be cool. Come from the school for the blind or something like that. Hahaha!

Then there is some of us like me who kind of stands aside and don’t really like all the drama but inevitably get dragged in from time to time but a bit more standoffish from the blind clique. There was a good article that someone posted about the blind cave at berkley that speaks to the same thing in a bit more of a positive light of this thing. Heh! That’s blind culture for you, usually totally blind culture. Look at the founding of nfb.
the_orca_jungle [OP] 1 points 1y ago
thanks! i’ve read about the blind cave before and it’s quite interesting. i’ll pm you if i have any other questions :)
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
It is that’s what some of us totals are in haha! I am part of this audio app experiment that’s become sorta a blind audio hang out thing. It’s interesting. Have you been on clubhouse, I think you have quite a few totals in there and the blind community rooms. Drama galore and abounds though. I myself had to leave. I like the groups that isn’t so much drama. There’s a few on here but got hanging out with some of the mature ones a few of them are programers.
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