I’m thinking of switching to android once my contract is up.(self.Blind)
submitted by bradley22
Throw all the newbie advice you like here.
I know how to use talkback but am thinking of getting another screen reader, I can’t remember what it’s called at the moment, but it’s the one where you can assign gestures to jump to buttons.
I don’t need a huge amount of memory, although one terabyte would be amazing, is that possible?
I know it’s possible with the latest iPhone, but they’re really expensive and I’d like to go for a cheaper android phone For those of you who are on android, would you switch back to Apple if you could? If yes, why and if not, why not?
I will admit I’ll miss reddit and dystopia, but I’ve heard bacon readers pretty good, and apples ease-of-use is nice, but I like android because it’s cheap and very flexible.
L-ectric7 points1y ago
I use a Google Pixel 6 Pro which is great value for the price. It has a large screen and had the best implementation of the Google Voice Assistant as the phone uses built in AI processors to figure out your voice on the phone rather than sending it to a server to figure out.
For a magnifiets, I use a free App call WeZoom that's really well designed. I have it set to a backtap shortcut meaning I just need to tap the back of the phone twice to bring it up.
I can zoom anywhere on the screen with a single finger triple tap which I think works a lot better for a small screen that iOS' three finger tap.
I have Dark Mode on at all times, some more advanced swings I use are 'Override Dark Mode' (you need to ensure developer options are enabled first) which forces many apps into dark mode that don't normally have one. I also activated something similar in the Chrome browser that forces websites to render in dark mode.
And if those settings don't work, I can quickly bring up am accessibility shortcut menu to invert the screen completely.
You can also enlarge the text size. The Pixel launcher had a certain size cap, likely to prevent text from being cut off in appa (which can often happen when alleging system text) but, I'd that's an issues, you can always install an alternate launcher which may show more options.
Tire choice of virtual keyboards is also better than iOS as developers aren't as limited on the features they can implement.
Hope it helps. Sorry for waffling.
bradley22 [OP]5 points1y ago
I’m completely blind, thanks for the reply though.
L-ectric3 points1y ago
Sorry, I didn't realise.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
No problem!
I probably should’ve made it clearer.
L-ectric3 points1y ago
If screen size is no issues then I could still recommend the standard Pixel 6 as it so has the more advanced voiced assistant and speech to text that doesn't require a constant ovine connection.
cebeezly822 points1y ago
No worries, talkback is amazing, and gestures work far better than ios with screen readers. Even with a super huge phone I can multitask insanely quick with one hand. Plus once you have the vibration feature with your screen reader going you will feel empty when switching back to a tablet or iphone. Literally vibrates when your finger lands on something interactive which speeds up the process of locating items onscreen. So many other reasons to go over to the dark side. Variety of pricing and devices is also definitely one of the upsides of android.
devinprater1 points1y ago
iOS now has vibrations in VoiceOver too. They're a little more precise than TalkBack's vibrations, too.
cebeezly822 points1y ago
Oh very cool. Thanks for the reply and think I may try this out at the store.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
Edit, spellings.Oh and I know that you have to press and hold the volume up and down buttons to start talkback, will that work with most of the android 11 phones out of the box as far as you know?
cebeezly821 points1y ago
Yes. I would say in about 70% of cases though it immediately starts talking and informs you of what to do to completely enable screen reader. If you go through the initial setup process and you don't hear a screen reader then yes first instinct should be to hold the center of the volume rocker down for a few seconds
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
edit, spellings.Oh definitely.
I'm wondering, how many phones these days start with talkback out of the box?
I know that stock android like the google pixel will but am a bit nervous about buying other phones, do you have any advice?
I read you can download talkback as an apk file and install it using the commmand line but do that you need to go into setting and tap on a thing 7 times to be a dev but I can't do that if there's no talk back.
cebeezly822 points1y ago
I haven't seen a phone that didn't start talking out of the box with the volume button shortcut or automatically since 2013. You should be pretty good no matter what phone you buy. I broke a phone one time and I was super broke so I picked up a $50 Moto e 6 years ago and it was better than my $500 iPhone by a long shot.
DHamlinMusic2 points1y ago
I have my screen off an all times unless I need to show someone something, am using braille screen input to type these comments.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
You replied to the wrong thread.
DHamlinMusic2 points1y ago
Nah, was here by design, was just saying something idk why lol.
cebeezly823 points1y ago
Damn, I'm a life long android user and learned a few things with this great post.
L-ectric1 points1y ago
If it's on a pixel then it's the minimum you can expect from another phone running the same version of Android. Other manufacturers like Samsung will sometimes add in additional features on top with their own UI.
DHamlinMusic2 points1y ago
Thank you for expbaining this so much better than I could, particularly cause I am on an older model. So they changed how forced dark works on the 6?
DHamlinMusic4 points1y ago
I love my Pixel 4, I have it set up exactly how I need it to be for my use, have not found any reason that would make me switch from Android.
1TB is insane, why would you need that?
I would suggest going with a Pixel as they are first party.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
Cool! Did you switch from Apple?
DHamlinMusic3 points1y ago
No, helped a few people I know do that though. I was a Windows Phone user before that died lol, but was on Android when I lost my sight.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
Oh cool!
BurnyAsn3 points1y ago
Why will you miss reddit? Reddit is available as an app for Android too.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
From what I understand, Reddit is not accessible on android.
I could be completely wrong, and if I am, great!
I think I said in my post that BaconReader is supposed to be good, I’ll be using talkback and CSR once I get it.
DHamlinMusic2 points1y ago
Reddit works just fine on Android, not sure why you would need a third party screen reader though.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
Oh, it’s called csr, I just wanted to check it out.
So the normal reddit app works with talkback and I don’t need bacon reader?
DHamlinMusic2 points1y ago
I mean that is what I am using to write this.
devinprater1 points1y ago
Look into RedReader. I use it both on my phone and ChromeBook.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
Have you heard of Reddit is fun? I think I will try that first, and if that doesn’t work I’ll try this app.
devinprater2 points1y ago
I have, it's okay, but this one is much better.
Emmenias3 points1y ago
"I don’t need a huge amount of memory, although one terabyte would be amazing," Hahaha what? What do you plan to store on that phone? Every disney movie ever released? You can pick up a Fairphone with either 128 or 256 GB of memory. Should be enough to get you by, IMO. https://shop.fairphone.com/en/buy-fairphone-4 Then again, I am perhaps only saying this because I have gotten used to using an ancient phone with mere 8 GB. But I have never seen a phone with one TB of space yet (even Pixel 6 Pro has at most 512), so if you need that much, you will have to turn to MicroSD cards instead.
I unfortunately cannot offer any advice regarding Commentary Screen Reader (CSR), because I haven't used it yet despite meaning to for a long time now. All I can say is that others are really happy with it, so don't be like me and install it. You will need to download the APK from Github, however, as the app is not on Google Play. Hopefully navingating to the Downloads folder with your file manager of choice (I recommend total Commander) and running it shouldn't be too difficult.
Speaking of alternative ways of installing apps, I recommend you check out F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/
There are a lot of great accessible apps there. For example, NewPipe is much better for watching YouTube videos than the built-in app is, and has the option of audio mode so you consume less data and battery. RHVoice may not be the best-sounding TTS engine out there, but it is at least pretty responsive. Vanilla Music is a simple but lightweight and well-working media player. If you ever decide to use Mastodon, Tusky is so accessible it even integrates with Talkback's context menu. Feeel (yes, 3 e's) is the most accessible workout app I have found so far. And so on.
Another tip is to dig deep into the Accessibility Settings section to get the best experience, as some features can be weirdly hidden. This will depend on your Android version, but over here, the shortcut to suspend Talkback with volume up+down recently stopped working, but I was able to make it exist once more through enabling ... Easy Switch or some such? I would have to check. Anyhow, do not be afraid to just enable everything to see what it does!
I wish you the best of luck with the switch, If you ever have trouble with anything, do ask!
bradley22 [OP]3 points1y ago
Podcasts lol.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
Thanks for the links.
SightlessKombat2 points1y ago
Personally, I would avoid Android myself. I bought a phone for testing anything that comes out on Android, but just could not get on with it at all having used Apple for so long and the control setup being just familiar enough that you'd think it'd work one way but it actually works completely differently. :(
Wishing you the best of luck on your journey regardless.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
Thanks. One of the main reasons I’m going to android is the price.
I understand there is a different operating system, but you can also change the gestures if you want to.
Also, android 11 is it? Now has double tap to play and pause media along with answering and hanging up calls.
SightlessKombat1 points1y ago
Price wasn't the issue necessarily for me, I spent much less on my phone than I would've for a new iPhone for reference. However, it's even simple things like finding the apps you want on various pages etc and getting things to update. The last time I tried it, it was a slow, daunting tasks even just to find one app and launch it, then close it later, in comparison to IOS where logic dictates how everything works and there is consistency as well.
Just my personal experience of course and I know there are people using Android for the reasons you describe, I just feel like there's have to be a lot of changes made to how the OS works to make it a full-time offering that I would feel comfortable moving away from Apple for.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
Oh I get that.
Do you know what version of android and talkback you were running.
SightlessKombat1 points1y ago
Not sure, but this was around the time the XCloud beta was only available to Android users.
SightlessBastard2 points1y ago
I’ve tried switching to android a few years ago. But it was not really a satisfying experience. A lot of apps, that I used on the iPhone, weren’t really that accessible with talkback. Also, typing felt kind of sluggish. But, as I said, that was a few years ago. Maybe things really have changed that much. Out of curiosity. What do you guys use for navigation outside? I mean, there is neither blind Square nor soundscape for android, as far as I know. That was one of the main reasons for me to switch back to the iPhone. I tried a few solutions for android, but they all weren’t really that reliable.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
I can’t really answer your question, but I think Google Maps is mostly accessible and there are other map apps I’m sure.
As for typing, yeah it felt sluggish when I tried android before to, but honestly it’s not much of a big deal for me, I can always get a Bluetooth keyboard if I need to. Android can be so much cheaper than Apple and won’t break because of that cheapness.
Yeah you might lose out on certain things like less RAM, less storage space, although you can put SD cards in some phones, but for me the pros outweigh the cons.
The pros for me are: one. I can plug in my USB keyboard and use it as I would on my PC.
Too.
I can plug-in my actual hard drive, and navigate it like I’m navigating on my computer, I think that’s amazing!
Three.
The variety of phones.
4.
I can make my phone sound like jaws/my NVDA, using eloquence.
Five. The price, from what I’m reading, the cheapest android device as long as it’s new, will run talkback and work just fine.
That means as long as the device is relatively new and up to date, I could if I wanted to, buy a £50 android device and go from there.
I won’t, but I could!
DHamlinMusic1 points1y ago
You shouldt't lose out on specs that much or at all depending on the phone.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
Cool!
SightlessBastard1 points1y ago
I am not sure, if Google maps gives you all the information that you get from blind square or soundscape. Especially soundscape is one of the most accurate apps that I’ve ever used in that regard. Regarding your other points, well, if you don’t mind carrying a Bluetooth keyboard with you when you’re outside, that’s cool. For me, a phone needs to be responsive and reliable. Especially outside. I would love switching to android. But to me it feels like, accessibility is just not quite there yet. It would simply be a downgrade for me. But I wish you good luck. Maybe you’re luckier than me.
DHamlinMusic1 points1y ago
The talkback braille keyboard is pretty fast feeling. There are a few nav apps people have suggested to me before that are good at least afaik.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
Oh, I won’t be carrying the keyboard with me outside. I don’t actually think I’ll need it, if I get something like a pixel or an up-to-date android device, it should be fine.
It might be a bit slow at first, but I think I’ll get used to it.
As for soundscape and apps like that, yeah, Google Maps isn’t gonna give you that much information.
There are android websites out there for blind people, but they’re not as organised as say Applevis, I’m hoping that websites become more organised in the future.
TXblindman2 points1y ago
Voiceover is better than talk back in almost every aspect. I’ll never go Android ever.
bradley22 [OP]4 points1y ago
Have you tried android?
LilacRose324 points1y ago
I have - work phone is a Samsung but I’ve got a personal iPhone.
Talkback is rubbish compared to voiceover. There’s a lack of consistency in my opinion
bradley22 [OP]3 points1y ago
Ah, I tried a sampsung and didn’t like it. I had issues typing.
I’m going to get a google phone or something like that.
DHamlinMusic3 points1y ago
Might be Samsung's forked version of it, or an out dated build.
TXblindman5 points1y ago
They have always been behind an accessibility, Apple has a dedicated team specifically for accessibility options on their devices, and there’s a specific hotline you can call for accessibility issues, Samsung just doesn’t put that kind of effort in at least that I’m aware.
devinprater1 points1y ago
If you rely on Braille, don't do it. If you rely on VoiceOver recognition, maybe wait a while. If you can, try out an Android phone for a while before you buy one. If you can, feel around for some in stores. See what feels good in your hands. See what sounds good with your headphones. Look into specs and Bluetooth codecs and such if you plan to use headphones. Make sure they both have APTX or AAC or whatever. Oh and make sure the apps you use, banking especially, is on Android and is accessible on Android.
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
I use barclays in the UK, I know it’s accessible with android.
As for the other things, Braille is not important to me, The only issue is I do like to read text in images, especially on Reddit. I have read it for the blind on Windows, but I think talkback has text recognition, or at least I think I heard it in a podcast.
devinprater2 points1y ago
It has text recognition, but you do have to be on something that is unlabeled for it to work. You can also send it to LookOut or other recognition apps.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
Thanks.
kescba1 points1y ago
No i dont want Apple, i swtiched to Android back in the end of 2018 and i dont regreat it. I now have the freddom to choose much wider then with Apple, i can use thirdparty stuff like headset from other producents then Apple only... and i can use my own backup solutions, Apple dosent come after me and trying to lock me in their closet. Dont go too cheap, i have an Samsung Xcover 4s and this is not storng enogh, but some Nokia or OnePlus i would recommend.. I just hate the big screens...
bradley22 [OP]2 points1y ago
Yeah, I'm going to go with a smaller phone if i can.
I think it's crazy that I can plug my external harddrive there and backup my files and everything onto it.
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
You can plug in an external hard drive to an ipad too. Not an iphone though.
bradley22 [OP]1 points1y ago
True.
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
I do this with my ipad when I want to do sermon. I have it on a usb c harddrive.
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