How do I get over people being fucking rude to me about my cane(self.Blind)
submitted by ParaNoxx
This is the single biggest deterrant for me using a cane full-time even though I really need it, especially now that I'm losing more vision. But because I still have some vision, assholes have noticed me looking at my phone while on public transport for example, or squinting at the crosswalk sign as I wait, walked up to me, and asked "SO ARE YOU EVEN BLIND? DO YOU EVEN *NEED* A CANE?" multiple times. I have been accosted by people about this multiple times and it makes me want to scream. If I manage to force myself to go out every day, this kind of bullshit will happen maybe once a month and I now find myself always subconsciously waiting in silent dread, worrying about when my luck will roll out of my favor and someone around me is going to decide to be an ignorant, nosy, ableist asshole.
I know what to say - "Yes, I do. Mind your own business." in a flat, curt tone of voice, and then I ignore them, because people like that aren't worth my time and I don't owe them shit. I've done it - asserting myself like that is still extremely uncomfortable - and it's worked out fine. Sometimes, when I'm feeling generous, they get "I have tunnel vision." As a one-sentence explanation.
I just fucking hate having to defend myself about just living my life, with every fibre of my being, because it just reminds me of how ignorant people are. It's honestly pretty depressing and it's making me never want to use a cane again, despite that I can't function if I don't have one.
God, I just want to be left alone. Is that too much to ask? Just leave me the fuck alone. Don't talk to me. Stop staring at me.
I vividly remember once coming across a post on r/funny where it was just a candid picture of a visually impaired person with a cane looking at his phone. That's the punchline. Ha ha, what a faker. It had tens of thousands of upvotes from people who agreed.
Sighted people understand perfectly well what it means to be partially deaf because they're educated about this kind of shit. Somehow, at the same time, none of them even understand that blindness is a spectrum. And we can explain this to them, over and over, and none of them will ever get it.
Sorry for being such a sadsack. I'm just frustrated about this and want to vent. Being legally blind is really fun, yall.
Edit: thank you all very much for your insightful and supportive comments. I really appreciate it. ❤️
Emmenias39 points1y ago
It's so fucking stupid. This kind of behavior is why there's a new post every couple weeks from someone who doesn't want to use a cane even though they quite clearly should. This is why such people keep bumping and crashing into this. Fuck, this is why some of them might very well get themselves seriously injured, or even die! This kind of ignorance costs lives!
I wish I could tell you how to get over it, but I can't. I'm extremely glad that I apparently "look blind", because I don't know how I could get used to that bullshit, either. I respect you a lot for even trying to be brief, honestly; anyone who accosted me would get a damn lecture about ableism and how people like them are what's most wrong with this world. Heck, I bet I'd even say I wish them the "best of luck" when they themselves get a disability as they age, as many do. I would regret it later, but It would have been said.
Yes, I am an angry individual.
DHamlinMusic4 points1y ago
But you're a good enough person to regret it later, I would not be so nice.
athennna21 points1y ago
You don’t owe them any sort of explanation. The fact that you’re using it indicates that you need it. Full stop.
If ignoring them outright doesn’t work, say, “Do you normally walk around harassing people for the details of their disabilities? Mind your own business.”
7755771 points1y ago
Agreed. Absolutely. You may have to have a few short responses in the breach for these moments. It's no better with a guide dog. Get a lot of unwanted attention and engagement/harrassment from ignorant people.
505Griffon12 points1y ago
Unfortunately, I can totally understand. People's perception of blindness is black or white. Either you can't see anything and are blind or you are faking. My wife nags me to use my cane when out in public but I prefer not to based on still having about 10 degrees peripheral. Its not worth the effort to attempt to educated the general outspoken public. I have little patience in holding my tongue among rude behavior. Hang in there.
niamhweking9 points1y ago
There absolutely needs to be campaigns on the sliding scale of vision. Seems it's an issue in all countries.
ChellVaquita2 points1y ago
Completely agree with you. I use a symbol cane, and the majority of the time people are helpful and nice about it. But the few times people are straight up ignorant assholes, just discourages you from using it- the exhaustion of having to try and explain shit to idiots drives you mental.
505Griffon7 points1y ago
It was a benefit during COVID distancing because my wife insisted that I take it with me while traveling in airports. She claims it was like parting the red sea as she watched people spread out of our way.
achromatic_034 points1y ago
That's where I find it helpful, too. I also took it to Disney World once, since it's crowded with people walking every which way and it's confusing to get around, but it was awful! No one noticed and they were all just not paying any attention to they surroundings, so I didn't bring it the next time and kind of clung to my spouse... it was disheartening.
PrincessDie1232 points1y ago
I was in college when I started using one, the between class rush suddenly became much easier and I didn’t get shoved so much anymore. That was nice.
redmarus10 points1y ago
Ugh, the comments are the worst part, but I've promised myself that the next time it happens I'm just going to tell people that they really shouldn't talk crazy around someone holding a long metal stick. Sometimes I even whack people in the backs of the legs and go "OOPS, HORRY 😈"
achromatic_0310 points1y ago
Wow, that is jarring! I haven't had this experience, but I do avoid wearing visible headphones because I'm worried about the same thing at the times I do use a cane. But jeez, who made them gatekeeper? How does that even affect their lives!?!?
MaplePaws9 points1y ago
Honestly I have been dealing with my other disabilities longer and don't yet use a white cane even though I should at least part time. I use a service dog and on occasion a cane to assist with balance. On the daily I get approached and have comments made about me, and honestly part of it does come down to developing thick skin so to speak. The rest of the population really should know some tact. But also I don't actually think people "faking" being blind is all that common, certainly not to the level of certain other disabilities which have absolutely become a fad among the dishonest.
PrincessDie1233 points1y ago
Sometimes I take a mildly sadistic pleasure in detailing my eye injections to the people who accuse me of faking it lol I usually make sure to keep my tone light and conversational so they don’t think I’m punishing them and they just feel really bad lol sometimes a bit of guilt is a good quick teacher.
gnl2218 points1y ago
You could hit them with it and say you can see big dumb objects.
Mamamagpie7 points1y ago
I have right homogeneous Hemianopsia and remaining vision is almost 20/20. I lived 35 years without a cane, and my repeatedly sprained ankle wished I got one sooner.
I don’t dreed the accusation, I wait for it, armed and ready. I want to educate them and shame them for thinking a sighted person has the right to gatekeep who gets to use a cane.
I also like hitting cars parked in the crosswalk with violent abandon.
I have only had one person accuse me of being able to see, the Amazon driver who’s drunk got bashed.
Just remember they are ignorant and they don’t get to decide who uses a cane.
Snoo_854651 points1y ago
Thanks for writing this. The vision I have that’s not scotoma is 20/30 and it’s somehow so fucking hard to explain this to people and I’m terrified to use the cane over it even though my doctor and I agree I need it
BenandGracie6 points1y ago
This is an advantage of being totally blind. I don’t have to deal with this very often. The only thing you can do is ignore it and move on. Take comfort in the fact that the person who who randomly asks if people are faking their blindness probably is not someone you want to know.
DaaxD6 points1y ago
The more I read about these gatekeeping twats, the more I'm glad that I live in a country where leaving people mind their own business is the norm and where abrupt small talk with a stranger can be considered a violation of personal space.
This social norm seems to prevent these idiots from harassing me or at least not a single stranger has ever tried to harass me about my cane usage.
PrincessDie1234 points1y ago
Yes people do this to me too and I’ve been using it for almost seven years I always try and take a deep breath and educate them but sometimes I just can’t so I tell the truth but in a way that makes them feel bad, only if they are rude not if they come up and say something like “if you don’t mind I was wondering…” because that’s more polite than just making an assumption. But I often get people pointedly ignoring me when I ask for help because they saw me using my phone or my Lyft driver the other day saying he thinks I’m pulling his leg about being blind because I was able to find his bright red car that was right in front of me. For people in grocery stores who glare at me and make snide comments about me not needing a cane I might innocently and sweetly say “I’m going blind” which I mean I know I’m already there but it is getting worse so technically not untrue or if I’m really having a bad day I’ll say something like “it’s for my safety” or “phones have Disability settings” which I actually did say the other day because some person said they didn’t think people with smartphones were really blind because how could a blind person use a flat device they completely forgot about accessibility settings, once I was even complimented on how well my eyes track which was weird but basically I deal with it day by day and when I’m back home decompressing I tell my friends all the BS and we laugh at the stupid people. It takes a lot but really getting more public education about the blind community is important to combat this stuff. Also I saw that meme too it was a “what’s wrong with this picture” thing and every time it comes across my feed I leave a comment explaining that very few blind people (I think it’s something like 1% of us) have no residual vision or light perception and that has opened up a few nice conversations in the comments sections with people who have never met a blind person before.
Also it really is a matter of personal safety and not just convenience to use your cane so please don’t risk your safety over the ignorant public.
synthpopolis4 points1y ago
I related with every word and emotion of your post. It is so infuriating! For starters, why the hell would someone pretend to be blind?! Like is that a thing people even do? What would be the point? Ugh ignorance.
I’m highly self conscious of using what little vision I have in public for exactly that same reason. Interestingly I’ve been a cane user for 25 years and I almost never encountered this back in the day, despite having far more vision then and definitely using it. The issue has gotten substantially worse in the past decade or so
DHamlinMusic3 points1y ago
A person I chatter with ran into a fake blind person at a grocery, guy drove up' parked, put on shades and got a cane, told the store he was blind and let them shop for him, then did that all in reverse and drove off after the loader his stuff into the car for him. When I heard this I was stunned.
PrincessDie1234 points1y ago
That’s not necessarily fake blind either though he could have had a sensitivity to fluorescent lights and optical crowding that made shopping difficult but doesn’t necessarily impair driving. Sus perhaps but vision is complicated. Like I get optical crowding and it’s really strange it’s like there’s too many focal points for anything to actually serve as a focal point so think motion sickness without being able to find a shoreline or horizon then it trips up the balance, depth perception, spatial awareness, speech, and emotional response systems and induces sensory overload which for me either comes out as a panic attack with sudden anger or complete shutdown and inability to gauge how fast I’m walking so actually moving takes much longer but as soon as I’m outside again I’m fine, because of this having help shopping or doing mobile orders is easier for me.
synthpopolis2 points1y ago
OK but honestly that’s extremely rare. I’ve never even heard of such a thing myself
BeforeSides3 points1y ago
Show a bit of grace. Answer to the affirmative and move on. If they have other questions, answer them earnestly provided you have time. If not, just a simple “blindness doesn’t always mean completely blind. There’s some gray area, friend” and move on.
Half the people claiming they’d smack people’s shins, hit cars, or just give some rude or disrespectful counter reply are not doing these things in real life. And the other half that are shouldn’t be surprised when the other person takes your escalation and escalates further. Being rude back to someone else is a great way to need stitches.
Never attribute to malice what is explainable by mere ignorance.
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
Some good points here though.
ForceR-13563 points1y ago
This is becoming a trend amongst the regular sighted folk. I usually respond by saying who pretends to be blind?! Don't let their ignorance stop you from being safe and confident.
badtyprr3 points1y ago
That is so frustrating. What you're experiencing is called a microaggression. The slight is fine as a one off comment, but being asked incessantly is death by a thousand cuts. The term originates from race but is applicable to any marginalized group. I'd recommend listening to Microaggressions in Everyday Life Book by Derald Wing Sue and Lisa Spanierman for an in depth understanding. Even just understanding what I was experiencing helped me cope a lot.
Anianna3 points1y ago
I might be inclined to print business cards that say something to the effect of:
"There are many types of visual impairments. You are clearly not knowledgeable on the subject and you are not the disability police nor do you have any authority in this regard. Please stop gatekeeping my disability and mind your own business."
Additionally, while I know HIPAA doesn't necessarily apply here, many of these people think it's a violation of HIPAA to ask about anything that may be in your medical records, so I might add something along the lines of, "Stop violating my HIPAA rights!" as a sort of inside joke about their ignorance.
I wouldn't even talk to them. Just hand them the card. If they continue, just hand them another. Rinse and repeat. Eventually, they'll tire themselves out or get bored.
Tarnagona5 points1y ago
I love the image of someone wordlessly handing a person who won't shut up a series of business cards that all say the same thing. I don't get this often enough, or badly enough to go that route, but I enjoy the thought of annoying ignorant jerks via snarky business cards.
TechnicalPragmatist2 points1y ago
I am very amused about your card idea.
chat1283 points1y ago
You politely but firmly tell them to fuck off they don't ask a person in a wheelchair if they really need it
You have nothing to prove use your cane or don't it's up to you
PrincessDie1233 points1y ago
Walkers on the other hand. My sister is disabled and uses a walker to get around and has had people actually take it away from her and spit on her because she looks young. I was (very carefully) using a driving cart in a pharmacy to pick up my pain medications after having surgery and a man stopped me to ask why I, a young person, needed to use that machine when others needed it. I told him so he would leave me alone despite it being none of his business.
TechnicalPragmatist2 points1y ago
That’s honestly really sad.
PrincessDie1232 points1y ago
It’s not sad to me, it’s infuriating that people are so self righteous that they fail to realize young people get hurt/sick too
TechnicalPragmatist2 points1y ago
For sure it’s a bit infuriating as well. But the reality that anyone would do that or is as heartless is pretty messed up and sad really.
Here’s my challenge so you’re angry and infuriated? What do you do with that anger? My challenge to you, is do something useful with it.
Wolfocorn203 points1y ago
Yep that sounds familiar. Gotta say tho in Belgium it doesn't happen all that often that people actually say something about it to your face. But i've heard them wisper about it quite a lot of times when i do something a blind person isn't suposed to do acording to them tho. I mostly ask people to do there research befor acusing me of faking my disability befor wishing them a pleasent day and walking off.
DHamlinMusic3 points1y ago
I still "look" at my phone yet I cannot actually see it to the point I have the screen off. If that is the indicator of sight then guess I can still drive, bet I am better at it than a lot of people.
ChellVaquita3 points1y ago
It’s so fucking ignorant. Hopefully peoples ableist attitudes change soon. Man luckily I’m only partially-sighted, but I use a symbol cane and some people are just straight up assholes like that.
SoapyRiley2 points1y ago
“You don’t need that!” - “ I thought so too until the second time I fell into traffic.” “You’re not really blind!” - “Nope, but I can’t see where I’m going and where I’m stepping at the same time, so unless I want to stare at my feet all the time and end up lost or trip over these god awful sidewalks, I need it.”
Sometimes agreeing with people just shocks them into accepting education about the Variability of sight issues. A lot of the time, they simply didn’t think before opening their mouth and answers similar to these get them thinking about the bigger picture of what someone could be going through. I’ve been lucky to never experience this kind of harassment but I do get a lot of disregard of my condition especially at work. I keep my “blind accident” anecdotes in my back pocket to share whenever someone doubts that I have a real problem.
[deleted]2 points1y ago
Your cane is a tool. You don’t owe anyone any explanation whatsoever about the use of that tool, and those who come up to you asking such rude questions only deserve to be ignored. Continue as you are and hold pride in your use of this tool that they can’t use and wouldn’t know how to start.
yamallama03302 points1y ago
Hey! So I’m a teen that is rapidly losing sight and I had to learn how to deal with assholes. I try to act as feral as possible so that they think I’m insane, works 90% of the time. Bonus points for frothing at the mouth.
All jokes aside - there isn’t a “golden way” to get them to stop. I usually tell them to fuck off or simply give them the bird, no words needed. Sometimes I just stick my AirPods in and blast it at full volume so that I don’t hear them and annoy the hell out of them or simply a good wack to the shins has them on the ground so I can step over them like the queen I am, bow down to me piece of shit.
I hate people that think they’re doing the right thing by calling ppl out who are minding their business, and I ignore them most of the time. (If you do want to go feral route pencil tips work best for the most pain 😉)
Key_Hedgehog_57732 points1y ago
… it’s not like you stole their parking spot …
TechnicalPragmatist2 points1y ago
I like that ask them if you just stole the parking spot is that why you are so upset. Hahahahaha! Do it with a light attitude and a grin, hahahaha!
Littlebiggran2 points1y ago
I'm pretty sure when I finally get a white cane, I'm putting a diatribe sign on mine.
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
Just ignore them. You don’t need to say anything. They don’t deserve a response.
Are you deliberately being a fake? No? Are you trying to be a fraudster.that we didn’t know about? No?
Well I think you’re good then.
It’s not your problem but their problem why they want to approach you and confront and fight you like that. As far as I know you also didn’t initiate this argument. You stood there and did your own thing and people came up and said stupid things. It’s their problem not yours.
Let them be problematic have some pride about using the cane and self confidence know that you’re doing the right thing.
And you seriously don’t need their approval. Don’t let it effect you
Forsaken_Brain_47911 points1y ago
From my experience and as yong person (19) with a visual impairment, I have some peripheral vision. I sometime use my phone without talk back or voice over but when I'm mobile and walking around I need to use my Cain and people questions if I'm vision impaired because I'm looking at my phone while walking. The way i see it (pun intended) its based on what type of relationship you have with the person for example if it's a family member or friends usually they will know you better than anyone else so they don't ask as many questions, but if for some reason they don't know, I'm more tolerant to explaining it because they are family. Compared to a stranger where personally I don't feel like I owe them my time to explain it to them .
But more specifically to your situation I had gradual vision lost, so I have experienced both sides, and what I personal learnt was to always use as much vision as you have got to your advantage because more time than not with eye conditions the likelihood is it will degenerate.
Snoo_854651 points1y ago
Oh my god DUDE I’m right there with you. I’m becoming a cane user (getting my first cane in the mail soon and training with O+M in like a month). I have good visual acuity but bad blind spots depth perception and day blindness. So I’m like so worried that people with think I’m a faker or give me a hard time about it. Sending solidarity from afar my friend
Noellelexus331 points1y ago
I’m so sorry, you’re concerns are valid and it’s a regular occurrence out here I hate it too. I would don’t then give them a word completely ignore them because of their stupidity and ignorance.
Eriona891 points1y ago
Correct me if I am wrong. I've read a lot of stories like this and the amount of hostility is astonishing. They are not only ignorant but deliberately question hw much you can see. Could it be that in the US, people rarely come across someone who is visually inpaired due to it's zise? I live in the Netherlands, we have 17 million and the city I live in has 8 hundred thousand people so it's not that uncommon to come across a disabled person. Here people can sometimes be ignorant but I've never heard of that kind of hostility.
Mamamagpie1 points1y ago
I don’t know. There 53,000+ people in my city and I’ve only seen one other cane user.
The other day we were at Trader Joe’s at the same time.
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