Those who are totally blind, how did you learn to identify colors and animals, write print, and watch tv and play video games?(self.Blind)
submitted by Raccoon_Tail33
I know I asked a similar question before, but as someone with some vision, I'm curious as to how those without no vision do these things. When I was school, I had an aid that'd write some math, such as fractions and long devision, in large print. For those who can't see, how did you do that, especially when using the braille writer in a public school classroom? Did the calss and teachers mind?
For video games, how can a completely person play racing and platformers, such as Crash Bandicoot, Crash Team Racing, Spyro, Super Mario Bros, etc.?
rory-games13 points1y ago
Simple fact is that we can't play some videogames, since they are just completely inaccessible. Also, I wrote it in braille, and then a sighted person who knew braille would transcribe it to print. Also, you could use a drawing board
Raccoon_Tail33 [OP]2 points1y ago
Did you use a braille writer?
rory-games4 points1y ago
Yes. After a while I switched to the computer for pretty much everything except mathematics.
team_nanatsujiya8 points1y ago
I have some vision, enough to have to learn most of the things you listed as a sighted person would, but I am colorblind. As a disclaimer, I can see very saturated colors in the right lighting, but functionally I am basically fully colorblind.
First, you learn colors as a child in school and at home regardless of if you can see them or not, so I know what color most things are: the sky is blue, grass is green, bananas are yellow. At least in a mainstream school, I can't speak for schools for the blind.
Then, you learn how colors are perceived, just through everyday life. Our language is saturated with color imagery, and people can't help but use color to describe everything. Colors are associated with emotions and moods--something will be described as being a bold red, or a nice calming blue, or a vivid green. So if someone asks me to describe, say, gray, I can tell you that it's a neutral color, it can be flat and boring, sometimes depressing if there's too much of it.
I should mention that I will never agree to the sighted idea that I "see in shades of gray," because I do know the colors of things and I know that many things are not gray, so I cannot possibly see them as gray. Not to mention it does not give sighted people an accurate idea of what my vision is, since they imagine being colorblind as losing their own precious color vision, while I've never seen color and don't feel like I've lost anything.
However, as far as identifying goes, for things that aren't a common object associated with a certain color, I can't identify it very accurately. So if someone asks me what color the apple they're holding is and I can tell that it's a dark color and therefore not yellow or green, it's probably red. But if someone picks up a medium-colored shirt off the rack at a store and asks me what color it is, I can't tell if it's green, blue, gray, purple, etc.
Raccoon_Tail33 [OP]5 points1y ago
Thank you! I'm not colorblind, but I have touble identifying different shades. I can tell the difference between red, yellow, and green, but I have trouble telling the difference between bright blue and green, dark red and brown, orange and pink, etc. Now, I don't rely on my eyes to identify, I just ask someone to tell me.
DHamlinMusic1 points1y ago
Yeah, this is so true, I am red/green colorblind but since losing most of my sight I have trouble with medium shades more than just those.
Emmenias5 points1y ago
I used a brailler only for the first two grades or so, switching to a computer afterwards. They are indeed pretty loud and inefficient; I like reading in braille, but I am glad I only rarely have to write it! It did not bother the teachers, though, since at the time I was still attending a blindy school — if I could go back I'd start in a normal one right away to learn some proper socialisation, but ah well.
I only ever solved simple math problems on paper, and imagine anything else would get confusing fast. But after switching to a computer I used a math system developed by Slovenian math teachers for the blind, which was heavily based on LaTeX. Pretty convenient for understanding various math problems posted online. Our system has since been updated, though, to use Slovenian words rather than English, so future students will not have the same advantage, but may learn it faster.
Colours? 🤷♀️ You can't help but pick those up — they're everywhere!
As already mentioned, we can't really play most video games, because the developers did not think it worth the time and money to make the maccessible to us, or did not even consider it. There are a few — like The Last of Us 2, Code 7, Sequence Storm, etc. — that are developed by more awesome people. There is also a pretty big collection of audio games out there. For example, I really recommend picking up The Vale, as it is well worth the price and has been enjoyed even by many sighted gamers. https://falling-squirrel.itch.io/the-vale Though of course, there is also plenty of free ones out there. Let us know what you're into, and we can give suggestions.
SugarPie891 points1y ago
Not everything can be accessible. I understand that being excluded sucks but how do you make music accessible to completely death people for example? A lot of blind gamers are not totally blind. A video game is inherently visual in nature. But as you said there are a few that were made to be able to be played by blind people. I just don't think these people were meliciously excluding blind people when they made these games. The only way we can get more access is to make noise about it, but idk i don't think they're like horrible people for not having thought about blind people in the industry.
Emmenias1 points1y ago
I did not call them horrible. I said that they either did not think it worth the time and effort (which is sometimes huge, sometimes small, depending on the game), or did not consider it at all — which is generally not malicious. For example, here is an article from one of the developers of Code 7, admitting that before someone asked them to make the game accessible for the blind, they hadn't thought about it at all: https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/gaming-without-barriers-why-we-need-to-include-accessibility-in-the-concept-phase-of-game-development
Some games are near-impossible to make accessible to us. I will not deny that. Others could be possible, but only with plenty of aforementioned time and money, which small studios do not have and big ones may not think worth the investment — you can't deny that the fact the blind playerbase is so small is one of the main reasons for the latter, what with capitalism and wanting as much profit for as little work. Some games could have been accessible if the work began right away, but they've since become huge messes of code without standardised functions, and so fixing them up would be difficult. But *many* would be an easy fix; for example, anything text-based should be pretty easy to make accessible, so many games would work better if they only had text to speech and good sound cues, and (somewhat relatedly) Steam really has no excuse for not making their store better after being asked to do so several times.
Yeah, there's a few games that are accessible to us. This means it can be done! And it means we should make noise, sure. Guess what, I've been doing plenty of that, reaching out to indie developers as best as I'm able. But it also means that sometimes we're going to feel rightfully disappointed and annoyed with how much there is out there that we can't enjoy but could. We don't have to be endlessly thankful for every tiny thing, and especially not when, surely, no developers are even here. I reserve the the right to grumble a little, thank you very much.
TXblindman4 points1y ago
Check out a blind person play through of the last of us two on YouTube, it’s playable by the completely blind.
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
I was very very low vision and rapidly losing vision by 6 or 7 maybe even five I had not much to call vision. So there’s one question I can’t properly answer and that is colors because even if it was lousy vision I remember seeing colors and still remember colors. I couldn’tr see anything else well enough so everything else I can answer.
I learnt animals by more of how they felt how they sounded what these animals were. Stuff animals were pretty helpful as a representation and every kid has a million of those right. And I actually rode on some like an elephant and a horse.
Of course you learnt that cows goes moo and a cat goes meow. Hahaha!
As to learning math I used and still do use a perkins I am actually an older student now almost 30 and a classic braille perkins is sitting directly right in front of me I’ve been on here and doing lots of math problems. I use my perkins a lot. I have been doing math like this since school and have always done it this way. I would give my done math to the vision teacher and she would transcribe it.
In class they would either not mind it or I’d do it in a corner. In high school I’d use a braillenote to complete the math and then embossed the work and then it would be transcribed but I think I like the brailler way.
I’ve used a brailler in class and have even recently and it’s meh people learn to tolerate it.
This is also on another reply to you so yeah, I may add something to it though.
Dad had a lot of print letters that was magnets and I would be encouraged to play with them so I know most of my upper case letters. When I was in middle or high school someone came over and I was taught how to write my name in cursive for a signature. It’s probably the world’s lousiest handwriting but I know how to sign with my name in cursive and how it’s suppose to look. We wrote it over and over again, she might have had made me feel the letter traced on a paper. I loved the magnetic letters from my childhood though. I haven’t learnt lower case letters unfortunately.
I sometimes practice writing a little bit or have done some here and there probably not really legible. My father wouldn’t have it any other way his blind kid would still know some print letters.
I never got in to movies and t.v. But would just listen to it like it was media and learnt what was going on listened to the noises. Not a huge fan of audio description and was even more against it when young.
Never got in to gaming or audio games and I think it’s just who I am that I am neither in to t.v. Or video games.
Raccoon_Tail33 [OP]1 points1y ago
How were you taught to write in print
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
Dad had a lot of print letters that was magnets and I would be encouraged to play with them so I know most of my upper case letter. When I was in middle or high school someone came over and I was taught how to write my name in cursive for a signature. It’s probably the world’s lousiest handwriting but I know how to sign with my name in cursive and how it’s suppose to look. We wrote it over and over again, she might have had made me feel the letter traced on a paper. I loved the magnetic letters from my childhood though. I haven’t learnt lower case letters unfortunately.
Raccoon_Tail33 [OP]1 points1y ago
I had magnetic letters too, but I think they were plastic, and you had to put them in their corresponding spaces. As for learning lowercase letters...maybe there's a youtube video about them, or you can find plastic lowercase letters online.
TechnicalPragmatist1 points1y ago
They were definitely plastic it was like plastic with a magnetic back. And there was a board that I could put the letters anywhere on. it was kind of like a whiteboard for those magnets in a sense if I remember correctly
Raccoon_Tail33 [OP]1 points1y ago
That's similar to how mine were! Did you have plastic numbers, too?
Raccoon_Tail33 [OP]1 points1y ago
When I was young, I played a math game called Math Flash that read the problems allowed. I attended a public school and used a braille writer for most of my math, which, thankfully, didn't bother anybody. Plus, I had the best braille teacher. I think the reason she had me do my work in braille is so I wouldn't forget it and continue learning different symbols, especially in math.
Nighthawk3211 points1y ago
For the video game question, feel free to post over on /r/AccessibleGaming. You're question has many complicated answers haha.
DHamlinMusic1 points1y ago
"Without no vision" is a double negative. Just saying.
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