Blind from Ukraine. The best place in the EU(self.Blind)
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MostlyBlindGamer17 points1y ago
You want freedom of opinion, but only if your opinion is traditional? As far as I know, Poland and even Russia agree with that. You don't want to be discriminated against for being blind, right? Would you like to live in a country where blind people can't be on TV?
There are lots of good and bad things about Spain. If you like the language and are already on your way, I can recommend it. If anybody asks you if you're Russian, tell them you're Ukrainian. Believe it or not there is clear discrimination against Russians and Slavic people. Right now, I'm sure everybody will love you.
Anyway, consider this an opportunity to meet new people and experience new cultures. The more people you meet who are different from you, the more you'll understand them and the world and more peace you'll find and help create.
EyesR4Nerds11 points1y ago
Blind and queer here.
The responses to this warm my day. Thank you all for speaking out to voice your support and acceptance. Truly.
To OP, I hope you can also find a place of love and acceptance. A place you can feel safe to be yourself while showing compassion to those you do not yet understand.
Emmenias11 points1y ago
"I don't want the media to publicly demonstrate [SIC] kissing bearded mans. [SIC] How can I raise my children with [...] respect for different people if they can see it [SIC] on TV?" Fascinating. Since that second sentence contains two things you would like to raise your children with, conjoined by "and", it could be reasonably assumed that each one of them could make an understandable sentence if taken on its own. And yet, we can clearly observe a semantic contradiction between that sentence with only the second element included and the one that preceeds it. "How can I raise my children with traditional values [...] if they can see [kissing bearded mans] [SIC] on TV?" No such contradiction can be noted here; the second sentence naturally follows the first.
Or to put this in less fancy words: Who the fuck are you lying to and why?
You wish to raise your children with respect for different people? Which different people, pray tell? It sounds like it can only be people who are not *too* different. Perhaps people who are different in ways like being disabled (since respecting that difference would benefit you), just happen to wear one or two odd articles of clothing (easier to excuse if you can't see them), like/dislike pineapple pizza, spend years repeatedly posting topics asking for recommendations on which country to move to even as the community grows mighty weary of it (r/blind may not remember you, but we at AG.net certainly do). You wish to teach your children to respect the differences that would be convenient to you, and perhaps a pinch of those that would not be, just to fit the times. But clearly not respect for bearded men that like being kissed (by other bearded men, presumably, but the ambiguity amuses me). They are people, and they are different, but they clearly do not require respect; for taking away someone's voice and right to visibility is no kind of respect at all.
And that is what you wish for. You wish for "freedom of opinion" — *not* freedom of speech. Anyone can *think* what they want, as long as they keep it to themselves and do not make others see it. After all, won't somebody think of the children?
You know what is freedom of opinion? Well, it can be something like "Blind people are helpless and useless, and will never amount to anything in life. They are best drowned at burth, but if kept alive, should at least be kept out of sight, to spare the poor, self-sacrificing parents from judgement. The blind people themselves, of course, can think of this whatever they would like! They can think they are equal to us, just so long as they do not actually try to put that into action."
That's bullshit, isn't it? You desire the right to go outside, go to school, have a job, have a good life. And if that is not the case, you deserve the right to speak up about it and protest, as well as to educate people. And in doing so, you deserve to be heard and listened to. Guess what media as a platform allows you to do? That's right: reach large amounts of people that may be willing to pay attention and learn.
What is considered traditionally acceptable changes rapidly, my friend. I would gently urge you to consider the privilege you have that those before you did not, as well as the privilege that sighted people still hold over you. It is certainly easier to climb the ladder by kicking down anyone below you than by helping them up. Indeed, even some subgroups with the LGBTQIA movement that you so falcely respects are guilty of this; for example, cis gay men, in attempting to gain acceptance from a patriarchal system that considers them unnatural, have been all too eager to say "we are not like those other weirdos" while pointing at transgender people. And a great quote from Contrapoints comes to mind, in this case about binary transgender people distancing themselves from non-binary ones: "Do you think that you can purchase acceptance through conformity?"
If you wish to teach your children how to respect people regardless of their differences, start by teaching yourself. Examine why it is you do not want LGBTQIA people to have a voice. Why is their love any less valid? Why should they have any less right to be seen expressing it, acting on it, and indeed raising your children with it? Think of how many "traditional" father-child experiences your children will not get to have, and why those do not matter, but the hateful, fearful spect of tradition should remain. So many traditions have been abandoned upon examination; what makes this one worth keeping?
But if you do not wish to learn, at least do us all a favour and be honest about what kind of person you are. I think you know the word: a bigot. A homophobe, to be exact.
vvitallie3 points1y ago
Guess the Russian federation sounds like the right place to go! Or maybe the Dombas region? Please, reclculate your values, or you are better of luck in Putin land.
MostlyBlindGamer2 points1y ago
What if OP is just militantly not against beards and we all have the wrong idea?
Emmenias3 points1y ago
Haha. Look at you, stealing my joke (from a Discord chat) and passing it off as your own! All for dirty upvotes! Fortunately for you, I am not annoyed, as I am too busy being amused that you added a "not" in there by accident, so that it now seems like you are claiming OP is *not* against bearded men, when he clearly is. Poor bearded men!
Just kidding, obviously. It was a good joke, and I should've just gone with it rather than that mess of a rant. Here, have another upvote.
MostlyBlindGamer2 points1y ago
I am weak. I live for the upvotes. Thank you for understanding.
jek3399 points1y ago
Your version of "respect" doesn't seem to match up with the definition: "due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of other".
If you want to live in an EU country that doesn't support LGBTQ people, Poland is probably your best bet. I have multiple friends that left due to the conditions for their community there. Canada and the UK are largely tolerant societies, so if you want to live somewhere with "traditional values", I certainly wouldn't pick either of those places.
Also: you're now a refugee. You know what it feels like to be targeted due to something about yourself you cannot change. You should try opening your mind and having a bit more empathy for the LGBTQ community, who also just want to live their lives freely and openly.
napoleon888 points1y ago
Honestly, you say that Britain is in your heart, and that you love the UK. It is true that the UK government will be opening a program by which Ukrainian refugees can come to this country and stay with a British family. One of my friends has agreed to open his home to a Ukrainian refugee, he is also blind. In such a circumstance, I would typically have no hesitation in recommending him to you. Maybe you could have helped each other. But I simply cannot do so in good conscience given the views that you have espoused in your original post. These are not to use I agree with, and are certainly not views that I would want people in this country to have. So, but for a few sentences in your post, I might have been some help to you. But you really fucked that up.
Jonikster-5 points1y ago
What is this if not discrimination?
napoleon8810 points1y ago
You chose to discriminate against LGBT people in your post. I choose to discriminate against bigots. Pick your poison
mantolwen8 points1y ago
I dont think you want to come to the UK, we are very open and accepting of LGBT people and you will see them everywhere.
tasareinspace8 points1y ago
If you want to live in a society that is tolerant and accommodating for people with disabilities, you are probably going to need to live somewhere that is tolerant and accommodating of queer folks. You really need to decide what is important to you. Rural Poland has LGBT ideology free zones. But I can tell you from my (blind and queer) son’s experience that they’re not great about the blindness.
It makes my heart hurt that someone who knows so much hurt and hardship would wish hardship on others, would wish others can’t see themselves represented in media and in public. I hope you can soften your heart and raise your children with love kindness and acceptance.
Laser_Lens_48 points1y ago
“I’m not homophobic, but…”
MostlyBlindGamer3 points1y ago
When you're blind, you can't look around the room, before you say stuff like this. Hehe.
xmachinaxxx6 points1y ago
You say you’re being discriminated against in Poland because of your nationality yet complain about the Germans and what LGBT are doing? It’s an awful situation you’re in but what gay people may be doing to offend you seems trivial in the grand scheme of things.
Jonikster-7 points1y ago
You didn't read my post.
xmachinaxxx5 points1y ago
I did.
Jonikster-5 points1y ago
No. I don't have discrimination here because of my nationality, as it is written in your post.
xmachinaxxx3 points1y ago
So the discrimination you’re experiencing is due to your blindness not your nationality? Apologies, it seems I did misunderstand that.
suitcaseismyhome5 points1y ago
I will pile on with the rest and say that your post is offensive in many ways.
Germany is actually great for people with visual impairments and I find it easier than much of the rest of Europe.
Sure many people are not religious but if you go to the South there are very strong beliefs and everywhere in the country you will still find people with religious beliefs.
However you will generally also find high level of tolerance. Seems that is not what you want.
I don't think it is the German language which you don't like and the fact that some people are not religious. I think it is the fact that the country is generally tolerant and accepting of people but you don't like.
Sad_Wheel34354 points1y ago
I hope you can find some nice country that you can call your home. In western countries you are going to see men kissing men and women kissing women anywhere you go. Even in some churches.
[deleted] [OP]4 points1y ago
I just moved to Finland from Denmark and personally I found it difficult in Denmark even though there are super good hospitals there. Unfortunately in Denmark they have a tendency to be warmer towards the Danish (I'm not Danish) even if they say something different. I'm Scandinavian but still felt so badly treated there after living there for 20 years and being Scandinavian, but when I started going blind 3 years ago I fell through the cracks. Moving to Finland, experiencing the level of professionalism at the eye clinic at Helsinki hospital and the human warmth by social workers here its the best decision I've made for my disabilities. I don't know if Finland is too close to the situation for you but I can highly recommend coming here and I know the Finnish government is very helpful towards Ukrainian citizens. I hope you find a good place that can help you no matter where you end up. Lots of good wishes
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