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My wife has become blind, how do we do this? (self.Blind)
submitted by Slipknot882222
Hello,

My wife has due to medical reasons just become blind. We do not know if it's permanent, but it is rather likely.

She's currently in the hospital, but we would like to start right away with adapting to this change.

I would be grateful for any tips that could help us along the way.

A little bit about us for reference:

* I'm swedish, she's english, we could easily live in either country.
* We communicate in english, but she also speaks spanish and german.
* She has a law degree, meaning that she can probably work from home.She's currently unemployed.
* We have, before this happened, been considering to move to another country, so that's an option.
* We have some money saved up in case there's any expensive equipment we need to purchase.Things for the home, wearable or other gadgets, whatever that could help her.

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Some questions:

* Where do we start?
* What should be our priority in terms of what to do or learn first?
* Is braille useful to learn? If yes, in what situation would it come in handy?
* Any recommendations in terms of countries that might be better to live in for a blind person?
* We are thinking about getting a new house (either in Sweden, England or somewhere else), any recommendations in terms of the layout or size?
* What are some things that I (as someone that can see) wouldn't consider, but my wife would need help with?

Thank you very much
SoapyRiley 30 points 1y ago
My priorities in learning went phone, orientation & mobility, computer, braille, adaptive cooking.

Smart phones can be chock full of apps that make blind life easier and not feeling trapped was a big deal (considering we were already in lockdown when my vision went crazy).

While I can’t speak to countries that are blind friendly, I can say that cities tend to be better than the suburbs or rural locales because they are more walkable and/or have public transit options. While some people may not mind relying on a spouse to get places, that isn’t an option for me, so I had to position myself in an area where transit was close by.

Braille has been indispensable for me. I can’t do meetings and have my computer talk to me at the same time so having a way to review information without sound was a must. Also, labeling stuff around the house like spices and my medicines so I don’t have to have my phone with me 24/7.

As far as house layout, stairs can be a hazard, but aren’t a dealbreaker. I personally chose a home with a large first floor bedroom & bathroom with a walk-in shower big enough for a seat so I can age in place. I did not like moving while fully sighted. I did not want to do it again once my vision was mostly gone in the event I broke a hip or something and could no longer use the stairs.

If your wife is the super independent type like me, it might be super beneficial to learn the clock directions. It’s much easier for me to “turn to my 2 o’clock” than it is to “turn a little to the right, a little more, too far, go back left” if you get my drift. I hate using sighted guide so clear instructions of where to go when in a new place or how to avoid animal excrement and face level obstacles are delightful to me.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 7 points 1y ago
Thank you for the feedback, we'll look into helpful apps to begin with and later some O&M.
vwlsmssng 8 points 1y ago
> helpful apps

##VoiceOver
Text to speech / screen reader for the iPhone

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph3e2e415f/ios

##Seeing AI
A collection of smart image to speech utilities,
- quickly reads any text you point the camera at
- reads pages of text you scan
- recognises currency notes
- describes a scene
- describes and recognises faces

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai/seeing-ai

##SoundScape
Identifies landmarks in your surroundings using binaural sound through your headphones so the description comes from the direction of the landmark.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/soundscape/

##BlindSquare
An accessible navigation app. I have no direct experience of this but RNIB like it.

https://www.rnib.org.uk/connect-community/connect-technology/five-apps-getting-out-and-about-spring

https://www.blindsquare.com/

##Advice

I strongly recommend you get all these apps and learn to use them yourself. You then become your wife's coach and trainer and your learn the benefits and challenges of these apps yourself.

VoiceOver completely changes the interaction part of the iOS user interface and adds many more interactions. You go from basically "touch" and "swipe" as the principal gestures to having to remember the difference between many different gestures such as two finger swipe down and three finger treble tap. A lot of learning but immensely useful and empowering.

VoiceOver is particularly important for you to learn so that you can assist with your wife's phone (with her permission of course :-) and help her with learning how to do things like turning off notifications during meetings.
DHamlinMusic 4 points 1y ago
Just pointing out all of these are iOS apps, and not one of them is available on Android.
vwlsmssng 6 points 1y ago
I could understand the MicroSoft apps only being on iOS when they first came out because you have to start somewhere, but by now they should be supporting Android too.

Do you know of Android equivalents or alternatives? Here is what I have found so far.

- $1 app for identifying objects is available on both platforms.

- $1 app for summoning human volunteers to describe stuff the camera can see is available on both platforms

- $1 formerly know as KNFBreader is available for both platforms (warning as of 15/3/2021 they have not updated their expired web security certificate so your web browser may refuse to take you there.)

- $1 is another iOS only image description app.

Source: https://www.rnib.org.uk/sight-loss-advice/technology-and-useful-products/technology-resource-hub-latest-facts-tips-and-guides/helpful-apps
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you a lot, very appreciated.

She's an iPhone user and I'm planning to get an iPhone to be more helpful to her.
But she may also try my android and decide what helps her the best.
vwlsmssng 3 points 1y ago
On Android the screen-reader / UI for VI is called TalkBack.

$1

I have only tried it briefly on an older phone a few years ago and it felt less capable than VoiceOver. I've seen similar sentiments on this forum and the page on TalkBack linked above suggests that multifinger gestures for TalkBack are only available on some recent phones whereas they have been part of VoiceOver since my first encounter with it in early 2017.
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
The accessibility is definitely better on the apple side of things. Though android is not the most terrible. Also get her jaws and set up on windows or nvda which is totally free of charge.
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DHamlinMusic 7 points 1y ago
I wanted to chime in here that even if you're not reading it, braille screen input for typing on the phone is so worth learning to use. It is much faster than trying to use the on screen qwerty keyboard, and is better than VTT in so many ways.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Ok, thank you.

She has an iPhone, we will try the braille screen input.
TechnicalPragmatist 2 points 1y ago
Well she has to learn braille before she can do that and well to be fast on it so I would wait on that one. I would suggest a bluetooth keyboard. Which if you can touch type fast you can write faster than even braille screen input. It’s person to person and you’ would need to know braille for that to work anyway. But anyone can use a bluetooth keyboard. I would also recommend strongly touch typing and if she’s a hunt and peck person learn to touch type and practice a lot and she will get faster.
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
Yeah, matter of opinion though I use a bluetooth keyboard and I fly on that thing and I type quite fast. It’s definitely an option and true for certain people. I haven’t figured out braille input and would probably be slower on it then just fast touch typing.
DHamlinMusic 1 points 1y ago
Oh for sure, and any physical keyboard is going to be better than a lot of on screen ones in general.
napoleon88 17 points 1y ago
UK based Blind lawyer here.

What I can tell you is that it is entirely possible to have a successful or career if you are completely blind.

Obviously that will not be her first priority by any stretch, but it is something that she may find reassuring to know. It is possible, and it can be done
Slipknot882222 [OP] 8 points 1y ago
Thank you,


I'm reading the comments to her and this was quite comforting.

Would you be comfortable sharing what kind of work you do?
retrolental_morose 8 points 1y ago
I'm a high school teacher with no sight, which may also be encouraging. :) Persistence in the face of technological frustration is probably going to be a big thing too, things are almost certain to take their time.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you :)
TechnicalPragmatist 2 points 1y ago
It is definitely not the end of the world. I have traveled to 6 different states by myself and to a city in another country. I didn’t just stay in my hotel room but had a packed and busy schedule especially with the 6 states for 2 weeks. I went alone as a single blind woman.

I’ve also traveled around my city quite a bit. Use to do a lot of yelping. Enjoy going to the beach. I am studying for a computer science degree and more or less have been working odd jobs but mostly helping out in information technology for 10 years or so. Life doesn’t end, and it’s possible to work and live a fulfilled life.
B-dub31 16 points 1y ago
I lost a great deal of my vision at age 37 after complications from an acute medical disorder. One of the best things I did was visit a low vision specialist. They introduced me to a wide variety of technology, products, and services for visually impaired individuals. My next recommendation is for her to get mental health counseling. It took me two years or more to process my grief over my vision loss and what it meant for my life going forward. In hindsight, I wish I would have sought help. Best of luck to you both. I know things seem hard, and for a while they will be, but there is a better future ahead.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 5 points 1y ago
Seeing a specialist is definitely on our list.

Thank you for the feedback
[deleted] 8 points 1y ago
You both have my empathy, that's for sure. I feel like it's one thing to be born blind or visually impaired, but I feel like the entire experience would be different if you lost sight later in life.

You're lucky that you live in Europe. Here in the States, it seems like the biggest issues/complaints that blind people face relate to independence. Most of the U.S. is very car-dependent, which is unideal in general but especially unideal for blind/VI folks.

I feel like most countries in Europe would be pretty blind-friendly, especially if you're in a medium or larger city where transit is good. Otherwise, I'm not sure about the differences that would exist between places.

In the U.S., we have local Commissions for the Blind. For example, if you live in Oregon then you'd go through Oregon Commission for the Blind. I believe these are set up in accordance with state governments. Your country probably has something like this too, but you may have to Google around to find it. I'd start there. They should be able to help you determine next steps, work on orientation and mobility training, and so forth.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 4 points 1y ago
Thank you for the feedback, much appreciated.


We'll definitely look in to orientation and mobility training.
mantolwen 4 points 1y ago
If you are in the UK it's the RNIB.
TechnicalPragmatist 2 points 1y ago
I live in the us also and the us isn’t nearly as bad as they say. Depends where you are. If you live in the bigger cities it’s alright the bay area and new york city for instance and philly or chicago is better. They can be quite good.
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
Depends on the city though chicago and the bay area transport is really good and nyc too.
B_Bussen 6 points 1y ago
It isn' an easy thing to go through. I've been blind all of my life, now 73. Today there are lots of things around that I didn't have, talking clocks, talking computer stuff and so forth. It is an adjustment, but I havbe many friends who have gone through it and live a fun productive life. If you have specific questions, write, butchb@fairpoint.net I live in Kansas in u.s.a.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thanks,
It will definitely take some time, but I'm trying to support her as much as I can.

I'll save your comment for the future.
PungentMushrooms 5 points 1y ago
I'd actually recommend one of the first things to learn would be how to use a screen reader for her devices. NVDA or JAWS on PC, Voice over on IOS/Mac or talkback on Android. The only one that costs money is JAWS but I think most people can use NVDA just fine for the most part. I honest to god can use a computer more affectively using NVDA totally blind than when I was low-vision with a screen magnifier. Being able to affectively use a computer is one of the things that really helped me cope with losing my remaining vision
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
She uses both iPhone and Mac.

Do you think Voice over on mac is comparable to JAWS?
Or would she need both?
TechnicalPragmatist 2 points 1y ago
Quite I am a primary mac user and its very very very usable and extremely good. She will have to learn the mac voice over way but its quite good. I actually prefer voice over over any of the windows screen readers. It also works nicely with the iphone.
gnl221 5 points 1y ago
Help her to get to know the accessibility features on her phone. Android has talk back and apple has choice over. They are both already installed and just need to be enabled. I’ve had better luck with apple devices since the QA on the apps seems to be a little more strict. There is also an app for iPhone called seeing AI that is free. It is good at scanning barcodes for food and things. It can identify money. It even does a good job describing what it sees in front of it. With apples magnifier app with voice over it will tell you what it sees. There is also audio description for movies and tv shows. Netflix does a good job but many of the other services are also good.
DHamlinMusic 6 points 1y ago
Android has "Lookout by Google" which is not perfect but will do most of what SeeingAI does but still is missing color identification.
gnl221 4 points 1y ago
Good to know. I only have experience with apple eco system since that is what my partner uses. She is the blind one and I’m the tech support. MacOS seems to be really good to with voice over. It is included as well. Windows has Jaws or NVDA. Jaws is expensive but seems to have more features and compatibility. Linux has Orca which seems to be about the same as NVDA for windows. Both of those options are free.
DHamlinMusic 4 points 1y ago
Windows also has Narrator which is MS’s built in screen reader.
gnl221 3 points 1y ago
Does that help with navigating around programs and things too or is it just a screen reader?
vwlsmssng 3 points 1y ago
> Windows has Jaws or NVDA

Windows also has the SuperNova (paid), EasyReader (free) and GuideConnect (paid) products from https://yourdolphin.com/
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank for the info.


I've heard about Jaws, NVDA and Mac Voice Over.

Would you say that Macs Voice Over is comparable to JAWS?
gnl221 2 points 1y ago
Comparable in features I think it is. Comparable in price it’s not even close. You can get a used MacBook with voiceover for the cost of just the license. My partner had an older laptop and it just froze all the time with jaws. She just did everything on her phone because it was too hard to use. You’ll want to get a good laptop or desktop if you are planning to run jaws. I have seen many people recommending gaming laptops.
vwlsmssng 4 points 1y ago
> We are thinking about getting a new house

One factor in a recent house purchase for us was the local area as much as the house itself. You can adapt a house but not the place.

- Good public transport links, can a VI person easily get a taxi or bus to the train station / GP shops
- Safe streets and routes for independent walks and local travel with facilities in easy and accessible walking. E.g., church, pharmacy, local shop, social centre, gym, GP
- Friendly community, could you knock on any door and get help
- Availability and access to workplace. Working from home only gets you so far and at some point you need to be in the meeting room or share a space (and coffee and cake) with a colleague.

Having considered that there is much that can be done with the property itself.
- Start with a house built to the $1. While many of these features seem more relevant to a wheelchair user they also make mobility easier for VI residents and visitors
- Also look at Part M of the UK building regulations, this includes things like high contrast light switches and electrical outlets.
- Pick appliances that are accessible to a VI user so they can operate independently.
- In our house we have a talking microwave oven, talking radios, talking food weighing scales, talking person weighing scales, and we may add a talking room thermostat and some other talking gadgets (I think you can get TVs with a voice UI.)
- Other appliances have tactile controls and visible indicators supplemented with $1
- You will need a garage or a very large secure shed to store the tandem bicycle between rides.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you for the links, I've saved those.


Also thank you for the advice in general.


The tandem is on our list :)
TechnicalPragmatist 3 points 1y ago
I think while it is tempting to say technology, phones and computers are the first thing you should learn I think that is not pragmatic. I would say that actually learning to live, adapt and learn to be blind and deal with day to day life is far more important, and so much more of a priority. And this comes from someone who is a techy and has been working out and helping out in information technology for 10 years. Tech is cool, computers are great. Knowing how to use them is really useful, but is it the most useful thing in the world? Highly debatable. You can sit in front of a computer all day but that’s not very useful. Learning how to get around, clean the house, cook food, manage and live whilst blind is much more important.

I would get some cane training and some independent living skills training and how to adapt daily tasks, and do everything she was able to do completely blind. It’s very possible. Blind people can live on their own and be independent too.

Also labeling appliances with dots will help labeling the oven and microwave will let her know how to work them. You don’t need a talking anything just label them with dots. If any appliances is touch screen and intreactive you may have to get another one that has buttons and which you can use simply.sometimes the fancier isn’t the better here. Labeling the stove will help.

What about looking on maxiaids.com and other online places to see what supplies she’d need around the house. There’s a lot of cooking tools and more.

We’ve covered the topic of technology to death so I will leave that out, I’ve said my fill in the comments, but if you want more info or help. Let me know I like helping people in general but especially with assistive tech.

She can indeed practice law. I know many blind law professionals.


Braille is useful to learn I am surprised no one has adressed this. Braille is like being literate as a blind person, so it is very important to learn. Some older adults definitely have a harder time learning it for sure but I do suggest it. If it’s too hard to learn then we can say she tried but trying is a good idea. Sometimes with thicker law materials it’s better to read it in braille sometimes. Braille is like the equivalent of you actually reading a book. I mean sure you can call audio book reading too but it’s still listening in a way. Braille can be useful in all sorts of areas, reading signs, reading labels, labeling things, reading doctuments and processing better.

I think as long as you live in a first world developed nation in europe. Or north america you are great. But find a place with more transport and more accessible and easier to access. If in the us a city, in europe probably a city too. But maybe it’s easier outside of cities in europe I don’t know. I do suggest a city though. Maybe it would be more expensive though.


So don’t move to africa or vietnam or something hahaha! :D hahahaha! But yeah, pick a country that is developed and western. Those are usually great for disabled people, and the culture cares more about the blind.

The house size and layout doesn’t matter that much.

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DrillInstructorJan 3 points 1y ago
I can only add to what other people have said but most of what makes it bearable is not about technology, it's just about the practical skills of getting around and doing stuff. You need cane technique. That is priority one by a huge margin. If you can't make your way down a familiar street you can't do anything. The other thing is get used to using your phone. It's 2022 and you can solve almost any problem with your phone.

Once you have that down, the rest of it is just practice. I have personally travelled from our home just outside London to a hotel in Tokyo in Japan without anyone travelling with me, just by making arrangements, phoning ahead, and making sure everything is organised. Have backup plans, have a spare cell phone, and plan everything in detail. It's just planning.

If you can get that stuff down, suddenly you realise the world is still there and you can still be in it and it is the most wonderful thing.

It's not about the toys.
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
Precisely. Everyone talks about the tech.as a techy I agree. But I am pragmatic. Enough to realize there are a bit more important things like independence and mobility tech is cool for sure but we still can’t stop being pragmatic here.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you for the feedback
bradley22 3 points 1y ago
If you live in the Uk/London I’d recommend the RNIB. They have a shop and I believe they have people that have people help you with sight loss things.

Personally as a person who lives in the UK, I do think America does do it better in this case but America’s downside in my opinion is huge medical costs.

There’s also AppleVis.com a great place for iPhones.
vwlsmssng 2 points 1y ago
> If you live in the UK

There are also many local charities supporting people with sight loss. The RNIB is a great at providing information and lobbying government but the local charities will provide in person or locally available help.

RNIB maintain a directory of local societies here: https://www.sightlinedirectory.org.uk/
Slipknot882222 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you, I've saved the website.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you, I've saved the website.
bradley22 1 points 1y ago
No problem.
More_Mongoose384 3 points 1y ago
Hi!
My husband is 66 years old and lost his vision about three years back due to a drug toxicity. He was sick in hospital and various rehab centers for more than a year. I live in Arizona and I think all sates have a rehabilitation program for visual disability. I have applied for the program which has been delayed due to Covid. The state pays for him to go to blind school. They have many residential schools in various states if it suits some people. They will be teaching him orientation and mobility. How to use the white cane and how to travel independently. He will be taught independent living. How to cook and your basic household chores. He will be learning computer skills and other skills to go back into the workforce . The state may pay for any low vision devices he may need.
I have encouraged him to do things independently at home till he starts blind school. It important to build confidence to do things. My husband did resist doing things as he was scared of falling and hurting himself. Many blind people have stability issues. My husband was in a hospital bed for more than a year. He could barely walk just 20 feet when he came home but I encouraged him to do things himself. Now he walks close to five miles just across the bedroom floor. He walks every few hours just to stay in shape besides PT. He was on a ventilator for nine months and so has come a long way. I helped him initial to do things like take a shower and after a few days stood nearby just so he was not scared. Now he does things by himself. A occupational therapist suggested he put toothpaste directly in his mouth when he could not put the toothpaste on his brush. I thought that was a nice trick. I have organized all his clothes in drawers so he can find things and get ready by himself. My husband makes his morning coffee using a Keurig machine and Scrambled eggs in the microwave. He does help me chop vegetables and unload the dishwasher. I have encouraged him to do a little bit of gardening too. I have found out information about getting a guide dog. The process is long but one of the main criteria is that he can independently travel to three different destinations. We are waiting to get his mobility and orientation training so he can be confident and hopefully get a guide dog later. My husband does find an Apple Watch very useful. He can ask Siri the time or anything he needs to know and can send messages and answer with the watch when he does not have his phone near him. We have set the phone and watch to answer automatically after a certain number of rings. Alexa helps him play his music or podcasts.. We had an iPad on a good stand in hospital and again put it to answer automatically. This way we could call him anytime and check on him. I would watch him eat breakfast and talk to him without being physically in hospital. He loved listening to music when he was in hospital. Siri was very helpful. He had Spotify and a list of his favorite songs. He is also part of the national talking library. They can send a machine to listen to books on tape which they mail it to you or you can get it online.
If you need any additional information please feel free to message me.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you for all the advice!
DannyMTZ956 2 points 1y ago
Move to the U.S. and she could attend rehabilitation center for the blind. Once she is independent, she could start the process to become a lawyer. Connect with the division of blind lawyers of the National Federation of the Blind.
Google Colorado Center for the Blind.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thank you for the idea
retrolental_morose 2 points 1y ago
how blind is "blind"? Legal blindness is a very broad term. Things are very different if you can magnify.
Slipknot882222 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Almost completely blind, at the very most she might recognize light.
retrolental_morose 4 points 1y ago
I’m sorry to hear that. It’s doubtless going to be a huge change for both of you. There’s already been a tremendous amount of advice given, but I’ll throw in mine for what it’s worth. I was born blind, have a sighted child at school and, as I said in an earlier comment, teach as a day job.

I’d consider technology to be high on the list of things to adapt. Without it, the blind as a community are far more isolated than we need to be. Many countries are “going digital”, after all, so this can only be a positive step. I won’t get into the Mac versus Windows situation – it’s contentious and inflammatory. If you do go the Windows route though, some of the cheapest yet most impressive training materials are books from NVAccess. Even if you don’t use the NVDA screen reader, their basic training material guides you through accessing Windows and some basic apps from the keyboard. Personally I think NVDA is brilliant, but I’m biased by many years of screen reading experience. It may well be that a more expensive package, like JAWS and a bundle of training, or a Mac is the easier path in your circumstances. Mobile is similarly split, iOS tends to be covered more comprehensively but blind people successfully manage both that and Android. There are other options too, such as a Blind Shell phone which still uses a tactile number pad. I suppose it’ll come down to what you’re comfortable with if you help teach, what she’s already used to using and the level of support you get as things go along.

Braille is very useful, but also can take a while to learn. I’ve had experience teaching it from primary school students right up to pensioners. My favourite method of assessing how well it will go is to take playing cards or scrabble tiles,assuming the student has a reasonable level of tactile response. This gives us both a feel – for their part, of how actual “real” braille feels, and on mine, for how well they can adapt to the braille cell structure, their ability to learn and retain etc. Obviously all the braille reading programmes are designed to start off at the basics and build up, but many are designed for children and adults lose interest rather quickly. Setting up a bespoke package of study isn’t too difficult with modern tech; I’ve had great success in teaching with poetry, magazine and newspaper articles converted into Braille at an appropriate level, something impossible only a few decades ago.

It's really hard to know specifics of things to look out for without a wider understanding of your household balance. Did she do the cooking? Laundry? Grocery shopping? Family finances? What was the division of labour and how do you see that changing is something I guess would be important to know before offering wider specifics.

In terms of housing, I wouldn’t worry too much about the details. It’ll be far more important that you feel comfortable, that you can access the resources you want (either by walking, public transport, with taxis within your budget for the foreseeable future etc). Whether you want a home close to all the amenities or something further out with more of your own space is as much a matter of taste and lifestyle as blindness. I’ve moved home 5 or 6 times in the last 15 years or so, the one thing I did find handy was an external identifier as I walk up to my house (windchimes, temporarily; a bright porch light, a strip of tape on a drain pipe or similar) until I was able to identify my own house with certitude.

I look forward to many more questions here. I am in England and happy to message here or via some more real time platform with either or both of you as circumstances warrant
Slipknot882222 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you very much for the long response.

Right now it's all quite a lot, but we'll get around to most of what people have mentioned in the comments.
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[deleted] 1 points 1y ago
how she became blind?
rumster 1 points 1y ago
on behalf of everyone at /r/blind welcome!
Slipknot882222 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thank you
Blindgamerpl 1 points 1y ago
buy her an Iphone, it's the best phone for the blind, atleast for me.
have a good day
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