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Full History - 2022 - 03 - 14 - ID#tecmyb
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Electronic devices and software (self.Blind)
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Fridux 2 points 1y ago
The only reason why I don't chat online anymore is because I find current chat clients for MacOS to be unnecessarily uncomfortable to use with VoiceOver, which is likely a user problem since other blind people seem to use at least Discord just fine. I've considered implementing a chat client myself, but I heard that Discord disallows third-party clients except for bots, and even if that wasn't a problem I've been really busy with other projects for quite some time.

My problem with chat clients, even the accessible ones, is that they do not provide features that I think are necessary to offer a good chatting experience to blind people. An ideal accessible chat client should, in addition to the regular chat stuff, be able to do the following:

1. Allow us to mark and recall specific locations in the chat history so that we can ask the client to announce every message posted since each mark;
2. Use the ability mentioned in the first point to automatically mark the first unread message so that reading everything since that point is just a matter of pressing a key combination;
3. Produce a sound whenever a new message arrives instead of announcing the message so that it doesn't interfere with our typing feedback;
4. Provide a shortcut to quickly jump to the input field;
5. Ensure that text navigation commands such as Option+Up/Down to move to the beginning and end of the current message being typed work;
6. Provide a quick way to read the message that I'm currently typing without having to move the caret.

These are all things that sighted users take for granted thanks to being able to quickly shift their attention between the input field and the chat history at any point.
DHamlinMusic 2 points 1y ago
Oddly enough most of those things are in Discord to some extent, though from what people have said it works better on Android/Windows. I am on Android myself.
Fridux 1 points 1y ago
Discord fails for me on the most fundamental level: there's no input feedback with VoiceOver when I'm typing, both on the web version and in the Mac client.
DHamlinMusic 1 points 1y ago
Huh, not entirely sure what you mean.
Fridux 1 points 1y ago
Screen-readers allow choosing whether to announce input feedback on every character, word, or sentence typed in an input field, but for some reason that functionality did not work on MacOS last time I tried Discord. It may or may not be a Discord bug since VoiceOver has many bugs of its own, but since I can type here on reddit just fine I'm inclined to believe that Discord is doing something weird with the text I type that prevents VoiceOver from reading it.
akrazyho 2 points 1y ago
I am very happy with the accessibility features of my phone my tablet and my computer.. In fact on my phone and tablet I can do almost anything you can do just as fast as you can do it at least almost just as fast which I think is pretty spectacular.

Sure there are little bugs here and there but nothing major or groundbreaking.

If I could change or add anything I would make it so there are more gestures for voiceover. For example why is there a shortcut to copy text but there isn’t one to paste text. How about changing tracks are going back a track why isn’t there a gesture for that in voiceover. While we’re talking about VoiceOver shortcuts why isn’t there a special shortcut to skip an ad on YouTube. I can find a skip ad button just fine but sometimes they move it around one day resize a video window and it makes it a little bit more harder to find. How about a backwards Z pattern to skip an ad since the Ford Z pattern is used to undo.
CloudyBeep 3 points 1y ago
You can add gestures for paste and redo: Settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Commands > Editing.
DHamlinMusic 2 points 1y ago
Once you're familiar with it you can type faster than most people with braille screen input. Though the thing about the gestures is interesting since I am on Android and a lot of that is part of talkback currently.
likeadollseyes 2 points 1y ago
What is the short cut to copy text with VoiceOver?
akrazyho 2 points 1y ago
Three finger quadruple tap
likeadollseyes 2 points 1y ago
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