Is "even a blind man could see-" an acceptable phrase?(self.Blind)
submitted by Competitive-Egg-1312
I'm writing a song that currently includes the line "even a blind man could see she was hurting", but as a sighted person I'm not sure this phrase is acceptable for me to use. Could a metaphor like this be hurtful or offensive in any way? Thank you in advance for any insight!
Emmenias13 points1y ago
NGL, I'd rather you didn't, because that's an awful metaphor. And generally, if you have to ask yourself whether something really is acceptable, there's a high chance it's not.
Sure, I get the "we don't give a shit about your words!" attitude common in the blind community. For the most part, I still agree with it myself. But various articles on the subject, as well as language studies, have made me wonder if perhaps there really is an unquestioned bias behind many of these set phrases. Language does have a lot of power. So while I by no means advocate scolding people for, say, using "I see" as "I understand", perhaps there are lines, you know?
Let's take this line. "Even an autistic man could see that she's hurting." I don't know about you, but that sounds awful to me. Sure, autistic people can have trouble "reading" others, but they absolutely do have empathy, even stronger than neurotypical people in fact, and make amazing, supportive friends. This line basically mocks their difficulty in seeing what others are feeling by emphasising how unusual it is for an autistic man to have empathy. Not cool and not true.
So why'd that be OK for blind people? Sure, we can see faces and posture, but voices often indicate plenty just as well. And most of us do have enough empathy to know, for example, that someone'd be hurting after a breakup. We can't see [process with our eyes] that someone is hurting, but we sure as fuck can see [understand] that they are, and that's by no means some rare thing that some musician should think it witty to mock.
So yeah, that's my take. Go ahead and downvote to hell, tougher-skinned blind folks.
Competitive-Egg-1312 [OP]3 points1y ago
Something about it was not sitting well with me, and this is exactly what I couldn't put my finger on - the fact that it wasn't actually a visible thing, and therefore kind of a shot out of left field. I have no interest in the whole "fuck your feelings" vibe that some people seem to embrace when creating, I have had lines in songs I would have otherwise enjoyed make me feel uncomfortable by targeting things about myself that I can't change, and I never want to make anybody else feel that way bc it fuckin sucks. Thank you for your input, I'm rewriting! (I think I'm also gonna work to take this metaphor out of my vocab, bc the more I look at it the more it just seems like culturally embedded ableism.)
BlindManOnFire11 points1y ago
I'm okay with the line.
I'm *not* okay with people censoring themselves around me because of my blindness. I don't want people walking on eggshells around me, afraid to be who they are. It would be absurd of me to expect the world to erase all references of blindness from figures of speech so I don't hear one on the radio and get my wittle feelings hurt.
Go ahead. Use the line in your song. And thank you for having the courtesy to consider our feelings.
thewalruscandyman10 points1y ago
I don't see why not.
thewalruscandyman8 points1y ago
Get it?
Dark_Lord_Mark8 points1y ago
To me what bothers me is when people use blind to mean stupid. Or ignorant or insensitive. Yeah I hate it. I’m sick and tired of songs that continue to say things like that. There’s so many better ways to say it. It’s lazy.
Tarnagona7 points1y ago
I’m not a fan. This metaphor implies blind people have trouble reading emotions because they can’t see faces or posture, which isn’t true. We read emotions just as well from tone of voice, listening to how someone moves, &c. I’m not going to be offended hearing it, but I don’t care for it.
TechnicalPragmatist7 points1y ago
Don’t see anything wrong with it. I mean it’s your song and if people take offense at a creative line that’s their fucking problem. And if they do they can get over it.
AllHarlowsEve6 points1y ago
I don't care when it's metaphorical, like "Even a blind person could see the writing on the wall that X was going to happen" but this is about something in real life that blind people can perceive just fine, so it sounds kind of douchey. I'd swerve from that idea personally.
SoapyRiley3 points1y ago
I’m not a fan of alluding to blind folks not being able to pick up on social cues, but I’m also not going to get all butt hurt over a random song either. Creative expression shouldn’t be stifled unless the intent is create or encourage animosity towards a group. That’s not what you’re doing here.
VulpineAdversary3 points1y ago
As every single blind person thinks, votes and acts the same, has the same taste in the media they consume, and all find the same things distressing, it's a good thing you asked permission.
Literally no blind person can, should or will be okay with this phrase. If you use it we will assemble in our masses, hunt you down, lock you in a cage formed of white canes and protected by vicious seeing-eye dogs and force you A Clockwork Orange-style to listen to the entire discographies of Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder until you learned not to be so problematic.
Competitive-Egg-1312 [OP]1 points1y ago
Less asking permission, more seeking input from perspectives I personally have not experienced 😉👉👉
VulpineAdversary2 points1y ago
I understand. Jokes and snark aside, I really don't mind when people use phrases like this. I actually take greater offense if someone makes a point to correct themselves when I'm around. I still say things like "I saw that new Punisher flick" and "Hang on, I'll take a look".
The greater issue is the assumption that all blind people have the same perspective. Just within the comments on your post you have reactions ranging from people taking no issue to people calling your writing lazy and problematic. If it were me, I'd put the line in just to spite them. :p
Lyrik9163 points1y ago
I've heard far stranger blind related lyrics, my fave being a song titled "like a blind girl's dog." Hate the title, happen to like the track. From one songwriter to another I say do your thing and if people don't like it that's a them problem. Oh, and post a link to your music so we can check it out!!!
bradley223 points1y ago
I’m British so we’re kind of blunt here, the way I see it, it’s your song and if people get offended, they get offended. it’s a bit of an odd phrase, but I’ve heard it multiple times and it really doesn’t bother me.
Winnmark2 points1y ago
The internal review committee has finished and is prepared to present its findings.
The international council of blind Confederacy has voted to support your usage of this phrase in your song.
We had to do some political chess games, but we got the approval for you on a slim margin. It seems that the snowflakes have more political sway than we anticipated.
We'll have to be crafty with the midterm elections on the way.
phasemorgsmom1 points1y ago
Yes...nothing offensive about it its just comparing tqo things.
snowcrunchy1 points1y ago
It's fine to me, like say whatever you want, but that line is a little cheesy hehe
BenandGracie1 points1y ago
No. You're good.
Infinite-Cat0071 points1y ago
I don't find it offensive, personally, though I can see how some people would have a problem with it, and even if it's not that problematic, I think not using that line would just be better. When I read that phrase at first I was more bothered by the defaulting to 'man' (though I get sometimes it just sounds better).
Competitive-Egg-1312 [OP]1 points1y ago
In context the "man" made sense, I promise hahahah. I'm nb myself and aim to keep all of my lyrics gender-neutral unless I am telling a story about specific people.
Infinite-Cat0071 points1y ago
Ohh gotcha haha no worries, that's great. It's really considerate of you btw to come out here and ask for relevant perspectives.
I'd also love to hear your music if you're willing to share :) (I actually have been looking for more nb artists :D)
WEugeneSmith1 points1y ago
Well, I've heard far more offsensive lyrics on the radio before.
As long as your intent is not to disparage (as in music that demeans women or encourages violence), then go ahead and leave the line in.
I do agree with the poster who said he hates when blind is used to imply stupid or clueless. I'm not getting that vibe from your line, though.
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