Hello folks, I am starting to teach and want to ask about using alt-text with decorative images. I want to include a picture of a squirrel holding an umbrella as a kind of visual joke or something cute to look at. It's not relevant to the student's work, but I thought it was enjoyable to view. I've been advised to remove the description of the the squirrel because it's a decorative image, what do you think?
Here's the image and the text:
"A diagram representing the CAASPP test as an umbrella, next to a squirrel holding a small umbrella"
I don't like the vibe of just not describing something because a student won't be able to see it. Maybe slightly more text to explain it's a joke image?
"A set of two images, the first a diagram representing the CAASPP test as an umbrella, next to a silly photo(graph) of a squirrel holding a small umbrella"
Is the diagram as an umbrella explained in the non-alt text, or no? If not, it should probably be explained because being told there's a diagram but not what it actually means is annoying.
MostlyBlindGamer5 points1y ago
Yes, this diagram needs to be described - that's really a much more important point then the joke. That being said, the joke is not strictly speaking entirely decorative. If the whole document were presented as a book, the visual joke wouldn't work, but there would be some other joke to lighten things up.
Ultimately, alt text and descriptions should make the content functionally equivalent. Losing the description of the joke creates a light experience for a sighted reader anda dry one for a blind reader. Not equivalent.
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retrolental_morose5 points1y ago
that said, the web is ridiculously verbose already. A default NVDA configuration can overwhelm a newly visually-impaired person with nested graphics in lists in tables in sections on the web. Speaking as someone who appreciates information density, decorative images to me are useless. The BBC is a great example, one of their "long-read"news articles last month had 5 "decorative line" images used as visual splitters within the news article. I was already navigating by paragraph; I just didn't need that.
The problem is, if you try to please everyone by making them optional and turn them on by default, it's effort to turn them off and vice versa, not to mention the cascading effort required by web developers, content creators and CMS engineers to implement the feature in the first place. I imagine half the blind people will say "yes, we need a literal, detailed description of ev-ery-thing we can't see so we're treated the same as the sighted", and the rest will say "it's cool, give us the important shit and leave it at that". So the scales of opinion will hover somewhere in balance. Nothing will change. About half the world will go one way and half the other, as things are pretty much now, and things will just hold in a silly sort of arms race of homeostasis until something big happens to shake things up.
MostlyBlindGamer5 points1y ago
The lines are decorative in the web design sense. The squirrel secondary, but it's still content.
retrolental_morose3 points1y ago
but is it meaningful content? How detailed do you go? If I tell you my face is on a page, does the colour of my skin, hair, eyes etc matter? The direction I am looking? Or is it enough to know i'm on my own book cover? Sighted people can choose their level of detail just by looking. The web is a noisy enough place for us as is.
MostlyBlindGamer1 points1y ago
Agreed. In this case, it depends on the intent of the author - they know what information or feeling they're trying to get to the reader.
TechnicalPragmatist3 points1y ago
Good points here.
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athennna5 points1y ago
You need to put all the text that’s in the illustration in the alt text, that’s the most important part.
Then you can mention the humorous photograph of a squirrel.
SightlessKombat3 points1y ago
I always disagree on the "remove alt text on decorative images" mindset, partially because if sighted users can see those images, including if they are just small visual gags/cues, then someone working with alt text shouldn't be barred from that.
Shadowwynd3 points1y ago
ALT=“” is a Null tag. It says “we didn’t skip the tag, but this doesn’t need to be read”. Use this for decorative elements.
Does the squirrel add meaningful content? Does it add or explain more information? I suspect not, the other graphic conveys information, this does not. Strictly speaking, it is decorative. Cute, yes, but I imagine you are reading this text to someone. Would it derail the train of thought to be talking about testing and then suddenly start talking about squirrels?
SightlessKombat3 points1y ago
I would argue that there could be two separate pieces of alt text here - the diagram and information on that and the Squirrel so the joke is not left just for sighted people to enjoy.
radioshackhead3 points1y ago
You need to be including the text in the image. Not jokes.
TechnicalPragmatist3 points1y ago
I don’t think you can be too descriptive. But if the picture is just for fun and stuff it may not be worth your effort.
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