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Full History - 2022 - 04 - 27 - ID#udh2xm
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The minority of the minority (self.Blind)
submitted by NoClops
I’m blind, like eyes removed blind. The first question I get from people regarding being blind is along the lines of, “So, how much can you see?”. I try to explain my vision as, “I am 100%, completely blind,”, but people almost always still ask follow up questions out of surprise. It’s annoying, but I’m used to it.

What’s infinitely more annoying is that it seems like even in the blind community, I’m some rare unicorn that people can’t account for or fathom. I visited a satellite location (suburbs) of lighthouse for the blind to look at what sort of gadgets and fun games they had. There was almost NOTHING there specifically for those 100%, completely blind people. The only game that wasn’t just large print or contrasted colors was a tactile dominos set. I was so disappointed.

It’s like this online, too. My husband researched blind accessible games, and pretty much everything that boasted it was accessible was either large print or contrasted colors. “Afterthought” isn’t quite the right word, but I feel something negative about the lack of …stuff.

Thanks for listening.
BlindWizard 20 points 1y ago
I've been playing a game called blind drive that can be found on iOS or Android. And it's a lot of fun. It's completely accessible. There is an accessibility feature on it where everything is said and it's easily navigatable you'll need some headphones or earbuds.

There are a few games such as the blind or rosemary's fate or the blind legend. All these are games that are completely accessible in app form. Is it the only ones I've found so far? If anybody has any more suggestions feel free to add. I'm always looking for more so to speak
thatawkwardcosplayer 18 points 1y ago
Try itch.io for more 100% blind accessible video games! They have a whole tag for it and I’ve seen a lot of fully blind friendly games, including adventure and first person shooters!
bondolo 16 points 1y ago
If you read braille then the games at $1 are fully accessible to totally blind players. The offer both games designed for blind players as well as adaptations of mainstream games. We have bought about half a dozen games from them and had a lot of fun playing board games. Our favourites are Coup, Pandemic, and Exploding Kittens.
NoClops [OP] 13 points 1y ago
That’s the name of it! I knew there was a company my husband found. We’ve looked into this, but we haven’t tried them yet.‘ I haven’t looked at it myself, and I can’t remember if he said it’s kind of expensive?
Rethunker 7 points 1y ago
Here’s an AFB page about the site and its founders:

https://www.afb.org/aw/16/11/15504

I just sent them an email about possible future collaboration. They promote Braille literacy, which is important to me, too.
Shmoop_Doop 2 points 1y ago
That username! Lol
thechristmasbear 7 points 1y ago
Omg that website is amazing! Thank you so much for sharing this. Genuinely life changing!
Rethunker 3 points 1y ago
So glad you mentioned that site. I need to pick up some goodies.
Rethunker 15 points 1y ago
Do you know Braille?

On my bookshelf I have several Braille gadgets and gizmos, including the following:

Braille Rubik’s cube

Braille calipers, if you think measuring is fun (which I do)

Tactile graphics slate, which when used with Braille paper makes it possible to craft all sorts of stuff. I got that from APH.

Keyboard-free haptic Braille typing. Prototype quality only. I found out after making the initial version that Josh Miele had created a working version years before, but to my knowledge only as a single pair. And I think he still uses it. I’m putting my hardware to a new use soon. I have the equivalent of three two-handed sets.

Whether you know Braille or not, there are other games and diversions you may find interesting.

Metal interlocking puzzles that require twisting and turning to free the pieces. A friend of mine introduced those at a meeting of VIBUG, the Visually Impaired and Blind Users Group, which currently meets online every month. A great group.

Haptic + audio prototype apps that could be turned into games. A company called Unar Labs has some free iPhone apps that double as games and assistive tech user experience tests. The co-founder of Unar Labs is a legally blind professor who is prominent in the field of navigation.

Some custom items I’ve made:

A tactile jigsaw puzzle, which I would do quite differently next time. One friend of mine finished, another didn’t. The one who did finish it was one of those folks who can also finish a blank puzzle with no tactile differentiation. She’s totally blind.

Custom tactile maps of a building interior. Not to everyone’s taste or interest.

Various other Braille and tactile and haptic things.

If there were an interest in any combination of things I mentioned as some form of game, then I could probably arrange something with you.

You’ve got a right to have fun. I’m sure the group and I could figure some things out you’d like.
NoClops [OP] 7 points 1y ago
I’m gonna answer this more thoroughly tomorrow, because I am going to bed right now. I wanted to at least acknowledge this, though. I’m gonna brainstorm and get back to you if I come up with any ideas of things I’m interested in. This was helpful!
Rethunker 6 points 1y ago
Most welcome! And if you want to chat sometime about this and brainstorm together, I can make some time. Other people I know may be interested.

Or we can keep the discussion right here in r/Blind, if you’d like. Perhaps even in a new thread to ensure everyone can jump in.

Come to think of it, I’ll just start that thread and tag you, if you don’t mind too much.
NoClops [OP] 2 points 1y ago
I appreciate the other thread and contributions here. I’d be interested in a direct conversation, too. I want to be creative, but I have a hard time being innovative.

Edit: typo
Rethunker 1 points 1y ago
Perhaps we could have a Zoom call on a weekday later this month. The next two weeks are packed for me, but after that my schedule should slow down a little bit.
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I‘m kind of interested in the Rubik’s cube! Can you explain the slate in more detail?I I absolutely love the interlocking metal puzzles. My husband has gotten me a bunch of those.

I don’t really like video games. I’m more interested in word puzzles; I am obsessed with the Jumble, and wordle is growing on me. I think I’m more excited about physical/hands-on games and activities that require me to move. Video games just really don’t appeal to me.

I’ma try that magnatab you mentioned, for sure!
Rethunker 1 points 1y ago
The Magnatab is cool. It may just be a nifty toy at first, but I think it'll be useful as a means of determining what kind of physical interactions would be useful.


The Rubik's cube is a traditional 3 x 3 x 3 cube with shapes to supplement the colors. The following web page has a list of 10 different Rubik's cubes, though I haven't checked the availability of each.

https://project-ray.com/10-rubiks-cubes-specially-designed-for-the-blind/
LID919 4 points 1y ago
Check out the game, "The Vale: Shadow of the Crown". It's on Steam for PC and also has console versions.

It is a fantasy RPG where you play as a blind protagonist, 100% blind. The game has no visuals. Everything, even the menus, is navigated via audio.

The game is really creative and very fun. I highly recommend it.
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
On PC do I need a screenreader or?
LID919 2 points 1y ago
No. The menus are all audio-based.
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
If my husband let’s me go near his computer, I’ll give it a try. Hehehehe
Rethunker 4 points 1y ago
This great post by u/NoClops will continue to get lots of comments, but I created another post to draw in anyone who may have missed this one. I for one will be bookmarking both.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/udjzjs/accessible_games_you_like_or_that_you_want/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Hug_Dealer 4 points 1y ago
They have Braille versions of scrabble that are fun!
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
I have a set I was going to mention that I have one but haven’t played it in a long time.
B_Bussen 3 points 1y ago
I know the feeling. I've been blind since birth. Now 73. When I was a kid, american foundation for the blind, still worth a look, had a fantastic catalog that had lots and lots of cool stuff in it. Much of that is gone these days. There is a talking polker game written by a blind person I have on my computer. My ham call is wa0vjr, and I'm good at arrl.net. Emails throubh redit don't read very well for me. Happy searching.
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I’m guessing you know morse code?
Vicorin 3 points 1y ago
If you know Braille, Check out 64oz games. They make accessibility kits for board games. All completely tactile, and the game is still playable by cited as well.
Laser_Lens_4 3 points 1y ago
Are you much into video games? The big go to is the vale which is a lot of fun and can be played entirely through audio. Recently I picked up Stardew valley which is playable without any sight with mods. Hades can also be made accessible with a few mods, and that one can be played entirely through a gamepad, save for optical character recognition for the menus. The pool of games is quite small for us, but it’s been growing slowly over the last few years. Check out Shaysters and SightlessKombat on Twitch. They both stream games regularly and are totally blind
TechnicalPragmatist 2 points 1y ago
There are a lot of option on maxiaids. I am also totally blind but have found a lot. Probably too much for me because I am not a fun or a game person.

There’s brailled card games, braille monopoly, scrabble, dominos, and other things I found a version of topple that was pretty much accessible except the color of the pieces but otherwise the board is accessible. I’ve found accessible chess and checkers and so forth. Actually quite a bit.


I love the questions. But I have been doing a lot of representing and community work for many years and have been in and out representing for the different disabled and blind places before. What is apparently called path finders now I found out used to be called foundation for the junior blind or junior blind of america, I use to be on their flyers a long time ago. I’ve represented the school disabilities office a few times and sat on an advocacy board. Most questions are usually out of curiosity.


In fact one of the guys I sat down and brailled a braille alphabet for found it’s way back to me, I so happen to run in to him and he said. Oh I was so upset when I lost it. I gave it back to him. I said it found it’s way back to me, I thought he didn’t want it but apparently someone found it gave it to someone else who knows me. Super rewarding to do it sometimes. You meet a lot of people and you create super awareness.

So yeah, I know the questions.
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I’ve gotten stuff from them in the past. I was just pretty bummed to find a Lighthouse around the corner with nearly nothing of use to me.
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
I didn’t find that much there either, in person but I think their online selection was small. Their store was also pretty small they’ve since I think moved in to a new location, and the shop may have gotten bigger. But I’ve found most of my stuff on maxiaids. There’s another organization near here and their store is bigger but yeah, I find not everything but there is a bit more stuff, but usually shop online for that stuff.
AllHarlowsEve 1 points 1y ago
What devices do you have access to? I always recommend checking out applevis for iPhone, iPad, Mac and apple watch stuff. For computer games, RSGames is a given, plus there's several audio games for the blind websites for windows games. I also recommend the Jackbox games if you have people to play with. I don't think the menus are accessible, but they're party games so you probably won't be playing them without an obligate sighted person™.
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I have an iPhone. I tried searching “applevis” in the app store but got no results. What’s it?
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 1y ago
Oh, sorry, applevis is a website with ratings for apps accessibility, including games. There's also a ton of guides, podcasts, and other things that I never check.
retrolental_morose 1 points 1y ago
* My blind Wife and I regularly race each other on Top Speed 3, battle on SoundRTS or play at Quentin's Playroom (my sighted daughter can join in with a few of the board games there too). The first two are old but still run on modern tech.
* MUDs, often with lots of cool sound effects and music added by the community, are a worryingly-disturbing time-killer: they range from medieval to sci-fi and everything in between and work well if you are a comfortable typist. They are the online version of interactive fiction/text adventure games, which I still play on my phone if I haven't the time or inclination to be social.
* I enjoy battling my daughter on Wii sports (Tennis, baseball and bowling are all pretty doable for me: my golfing is bad).
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Thanks for the suggestions. I just signed up for the playroom (cee.be.gee, if you wanna try to play/connect). I will definitely have to explore a bit more, because the site seems a bit confusing at first.
retrolental_morose 1 points 1y ago
the Windows client is the best accessibility experience if you have a windows machine.
CTRL+f1 in an open table will open the current game's help file for you to read the rules, and you can add bot players so you can effectively practice.
We enjoy Monopoly and Uno when there's more than 2 of us, Or La Scopa, 1000 miles or duck racing if we're just playing as a pair
MusicLover035 1 points 1y ago
How do you play those on the Wii? I've never had a Wii before because people tell me it's inaccessible lol
retrolental_morose 1 points 1y ago
we can't set up ourselves, but the gameplay can be done with sound cues
stas-prze 1 points 1y ago
The Last Of Us Part II is a game that is completely playable. I've been messing around with it and it's really fun. Unfortunately we can't play the first part, but hay at least we've got something.
There is also audio games made specifically for the blind but the quality varies, most of them I'd say are equivalents of video-games from the 90s / early to mid 2000s.
NoClops [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I’m just not that interested in video games. My husband told me about this, and I’ve tried it before, but I get bored after ten minutes.
bradley22 1 points 1y ago
Try audio games.net and apple is.com.
NoClops [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Do you mean applevis? Someone else mentioned that, but I only looked in the app store and didn’t find it. Maybe you’re talking about the same thing, and I just didn’t realize it’s a website?
bradley22 1 points 1y ago
Yeah, apple is.com is a website.
Blindgamerpl 0 points 1y ago
try swordy quest for IOS
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