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Full History - 2022 - 05 - 15 - ID#uq3o76
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Has anyone travelled overseas by themselves with vision lower than a 20/400 ( 6/120 metric system) acuity? (self.Blind)
submitted by Cautious_Ad_1054
Hi. I’m a 19 year old from Australia with a 6/120 visual acuity (20/400 in the U.S) and was thinking of travelling to Europe, by myself. I have Stargardts, which means I have little to know central vision but I’m lucky to have near perfect peripheral vision.

I wanted to know if anyone with my level of vision or lower has traveled overseas by themselves and if it’s a smart idea. If so, how did you do it? Preferably to a country with a foreign language, but any advice is helpful. Thanks :)

**edit** I should also mention the countries I planned to visit: Italy (have family there), England, France and Spain.
team_nanatsujiya 3 points 1y ago
I don't remember my uncorrected vision but I think it's around there. I also have almost no color vision and am so sensitive to bright light that I avoid running errands outside during the day if I can do them at night when I can actually see. The point being, I have to adapt quite a lot in everyday life. Anyway, I like traveling and grew up in a family that also likes traveling. I've been to a handful of foreign countries by myself and ended up moving to one of them, which happened to have a completely different language.

However, I was pretty used to traveling with my family and had figured out a lot of tricks to get around when I needed to, so I never felt like I was really throwing myself into the deep end when I planned a trip. It was a bit stressful at times, but never overwhelming. I'd recommend taking your own comfort levels into consideration. If you haven't yet, maybe try a shorter trip closer to home, or take a flight and meet someone there so you can get used to the flying and the airport and stuff but you don't have to worry about hotels or transportation until the next time. Small steps is the way to go. And don't be afraid to overprepare--my first few trips I was printing out maps of airport terminals so I could figure out how to get through customs and baggage claim after I landed. I only did it maybe once because I ended up not having much trouble, but I would have been a nervous wreck if I hadn't done it.
Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Ok noted, thanks for your advice. I’ve done a few domestic flights by myself which i was fine with. It’s obviously a huge step up to fly international, but would you consider that enough experience?
suitcaseismyhome 1 points 1y ago
Honestly, it's not that much different. Do consider though if a night flight may impact you, and plan in that case to be able to have a hotel ready for an early check in (may require paying for the night before, for example) Or plan to book/confirm a more comfortable seat, recognising that you won't be able to book an exit row seat.

The reality is that anyone with special needs ends up paying more money, and more time, than someone who is more capable. That's a sad fact. But you can still plan ahead and minimise that. You don't need to pay for a personal guide, but for example you can seek out recommendations. Like if you are going to Bali, then find a recommended driver from a friend/etc and negotiate a day or week price. That's not going to cost you more than someone else doing that who is sighted.

Actually, that raises another difference I've seen with Uber. In Germany, I write a note that I'm VI, and the drivers all seem to be super helpful. In places like Canada, they don't seem to like that much, or at least the drivers I get. It's really unpleasant to have a driver screaming at you from across a busy road, expecting you to cross.
team_nanatsujiya 1 points 1y ago
I'd say if you feel comfortable with the idea and with the flights you've done before then yeah, you'll probably be fine. There's not much I can think of that's a huge challenge about flying internationally over flying domestically. I was mostly worried about not being able to see signs that would show me where to go through customs and such (and that turned out to not be a big issue) but you might have other difficulties to work around.

edit: it didn't occur to me until I saw the other commenter say it but if you feel like you want it, requesting airport assistance is also a super stress-free option. I haven't used it for that specific purpose but I needed it for something else and it was great.

Getting around the city and going sightseeing after arriving is something I personally have more trouble with, so if you have a hard time with new places then you might want to think about that too.
Tech_Piano 3 points 1y ago
Yes I have. I speak German as my second language, since my parents and my older brothers are from Germany. I am the youngest in my family. I am completely blind, and have flown to Germany by myself a few times, to see my relatives over there. In the US, the way it works, is when you order the flight, you let them know that you need special assistance, and that you’re blind. Then once you get to the airport, have someone assist you too where the ticket place is, or where you drop off your luggage suitcase. Once you tell them that you need special assistance and that’s what you have requested, they will tell you to wait, and then the airlines will let all the airports know, The ones where you’re flying to, that you need special assistance and they will help you get to your next destination. Not sure how that would work in other countries for their airports, but I would suspect it is pretty much the same, which in Germany it is. Hope that helps a bit.
Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 3 points 1y ago
Thanks for your response. I have looked it up and from what I’ve seen the airport aisstance here is exactly as you described in the U.S, so thanks for advising me of that, thats going to be perfect for me.
suitcaseismyhome 2 points 1y ago
On Lufthansa you can request on the website in advance, and say exactly what you need. They are trained by local agencies although some are better than others to be honest. And I may be biased, but MUC is always warmer/friendlier than FRA, but that's generally a cultural thing.
suitcaseismyhome 3 points 1y ago
Also Be My Eyes app is a lifesaver in airports. I can't rely on staff. And sometimes I get Charles from Nigeria, or other random people, so nice to talk and they see a foreign airport.
Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Thanks for that, ill keep that in mind
suitcaseismyhome 3 points 1y ago
I used to fly 3x a week and an back to flying weekly. Germany and most of Europe is great. I've done several trips around Africa and the US since I lost my vision.

The worst by far has been Canadá. Good luck and don't let your vision stop you.
Laser_Lens_4 3 points 1y ago
I’ve not been to Canada without vision before. What makes it so terrible?
suitcaseismyhome 3 points 1y ago
SO many things, besides the fact that they were arguable more closed than even Australia and NZ.... and still have many restritions in place.

- in major airports like Toronto only passengers allowed inside the terminal, and only if fully vaccinated. That means in theory a helper is not allowed inside

- 2-3 hour waits in a 'holding pen' for special services

- 2-3 hour waits for security

- 2-3 hour waits for immigration

- flights land, no ground staff available, so sit for 1-3 hours waiting for a gate

- flights cancelled due to lack of staff

- still do 'random' testing on landing, which can be half a flight or more of people


Basically, they closed down for 2 years and tried to make travel as difficult as possible (only western country that requires fully vaccinated for domestics travel ie plane, bus, or ferry) Now they don't have staff, and since they didn't hire early enough, and pay low wages, and the immigration programs were stopped, not enough staff. Those that were left for Air Canada for example were the ones with seniority, who are still bitter about a merger 25 years ago, and who are generally quite nasty and unpleasant.

But the biggest thing? The mandatory prearrival app is not set up for the visually impaired, and in July 2021 when the various agencies for visually impaired raised this, the government officials responded with 'well, those kinds of people shouldn't be travelling'.

AND thousands have become permanently VI/Blind due to the government policies banning in person eye specialists for the first several months of the pandemic, coupled with a decades old overloaded healthcare system.

Any government interaction like passport renewal, permanent resident status renewal, immigration etc is taking months and months, if even being processed. That means that PRs cannot even leave to go elsewhere, as they cannot return to the country.

It's a massive disaster.

And then add in the generally poor state of sidewalks in 'wealthy' places like Vancouver, abysmal public transport in cities and virtually none in towns, lack of any visual support for these systems, etc and I would suggest to avoid.
Laser_Lens_4 3 points 1y ago
I mostly agree with vaccine stuff, but wow. I knew Canada didn’t really give a fuck about disabled people, but I didn’t know it was that bad. Yikes
suitcaseismyhome 2 points 1y ago
In Canada, the health care and long term care have been in a dire state for decades. Unfortunately, the government used COVID to divert attention and claim that's the reason why things are the way they are. It's a lie, and the shocking way that the people in care homes were treated was uncovered by the military, emergency services, etc and then just covered up again.

Sadly, the general public seems to have bought into this misinformation.

I'm waiting for when those who were denied care, and who had permanent damage, file lawsuits and pull out all those videos of government officials saying people with disabilities shouldn't be travelling, and certainly not alone. (And remember, those people also were almost all unable to leave the country to PAY for that treatment outside the country)

But even outside of COVID, the general set up is quite poor. Bus for example: I want to be able to try and 'see' the destination and the number, like I can easily in Germany or elsewhere. Instead, a bus comes along, with apparently messages like 'mask required', 'go XYZ team go!', 'be kind', etc. Even right up close, the text is so small, and the number so poorly signed, that I cannot figure out what it says using an app.

They also removed a lot of stops in some cities in the interest of 'improved service'. I once stood at a pole for about 20 minutes and finally stopped someone to ask if it was a bus stop. he too couldn't figure it out (he was from Mexico and said it's better there, which is true at least in Mexico City!)

And try and navigate the airport between terminals in their largest city - it's almost impossible, or adds about 1,5km to the walk, because there are no elevators except in the parking garage, etc.

Really always a shock to the system to see how far behind they are.
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Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 3 points 1y ago
Also what a life you’ve lived haha
suitcaseismyhome 5 points 1y ago
I've been to almost every corner of the globe, including your multiple times.

I learned early in life not to wait till retirement to travel, as we may not be able to buy then depending on health.

I'm blessed to have seen the best, and the worst, that the world has to offer.

Enjoy! We spent a lot of time in Italy during corona, used to work And live there. I used to live in France, Paris metro is better than London tube, but German transport I still find easiest.
Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 3 points 1y ago
So cool! And I really resonate with that. Think I’m gonna start looking at flights now!
Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 3 points 1y ago
Thanks for that, gives me a lot of confidence to know others like you have done it!
bradley22 2 points 1y ago
Yeah, I’ve traveled from London in the UK to the Southern US, I’m completely blind.
Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Sounds amazing. Thanks for letting me know, makes me a lot more confident
bradley22 1 points 1y ago
No problem.
TechnicalPragmatist 2 points 1y ago
Totally blind here with no vision at all. And I’ve been to Hong Kong and back to Los angeles a few times. I am originally canto so I go back and forth a few times before, even traversing hong kong alone before. Hk has excellent transport, even went to a. More quiet part to visit a friend at his work.
Cautious_Ad_1054 [OP] 2 points 1y ago
That’s awesome. There’s no excuse for me then!
TechnicalPragmatist 1 points 1y ago
Nope not at all.
vbtodenver 2 points 1y ago
My ex husband travels solo internationally. He asks for help and uses assistive technology.
You should absolutely not let your vision stop you from exploring the world!!!!
BooksDogsMaps 1 points 1y ago
I‘ve taken flights on my oen a couple of times now. After that, I always met up with other people, so I‘ve never travelled fully alone. I know of fully blind people who have done it, though. What you need is one or more good navigation apps and certainly some frustration tolerance, because getting lost easily happens.
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