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How do you deal with comments (self.Blind)
submitted by cuntasauruswithacane
17 nearly 18 Y/O female. Usually get comments about the cane but whatever. Today I was walking in a local park and two guys were making random noises. I was physically flinching walking by as it sounded like they were almost fake lunging at me. I wasn't wearing anything particularly revealing but I had a low cut top (trying to build up confidence) and I feel like that might be why. I'm not sure - but it's really fucked my confidence. Any words of sage advice
Sewn27 25 points 1y ago
There’s always a few wankers out there. Make yourself as big as possible as confident as possible and don’t forget you’re carrying a stick! I’m sure you’re a fabulous person, never let the bastards get you down
Laser_Lens_4 15 points 1y ago
What I do is carry some pepper spray when I'm going somewhere on my own and just walk on past them. People who do that are, frankly, complete losers. Don't feed them, but be prepared to take action if necessary.
TrailMomKat 14 points 1y ago
If they sounded close enough, I would've swung wide "accidentally" with my cane and whacked them. Probably not the best answer realistically, but the idea is funny to me.

Alternatively, "I'm blind, but I can still hear that you're a fucking idiot." Blunt, yeah, but I'm too old to have time for stupid assholes.

Just started with my cane this week, still partially sighted, but it was so bright out it blinded me. My sister commented on how many people now take a wide berth around me, so I'm grateful that most people aren't douchebags.
[deleted] 11 points 1y ago
Ignore them keep walking. People judge others all the time, but if you don’t know them probably not worth your time or energy. Sometimes starting an argument isn’t the best way either. I have sometimes asked more snidely. Like is there a problem? What is your issue with me? Sometimes in a more light way but sometimes can get in to arguments.
jaduwe 6 points 1y ago
Wear whatever the hell you want. That should not have anything to do with it. They sound like assholes regardless.
ABlindManPlays 5 points 1y ago
Do not let the idiocy of others detract from what you are trying to do or who you are trying to become. He was probably lunging trying to 'catch' you as not being blind. I get that every now and then in the states. When I flinch (legally blind, keratoconus so I have some sight), they go off like they are the greatest detective the world has ever seen. I usually tell them that their ignorance of blindness is not my responsibility to correct.


Keep doing what you do.
dunktheball 5 points 1y ago
There are a lot of guys and girls both who walk around acting immature to random people walking by, so they may have acted that way even if you didn't have one, but would probably have done it in a different way. But anyway I'd pretty much just ignore them if I were in the same situation, I think.
Blind-bigfoot 5 points 1y ago
As a fellow blind person I know your pain to an extent. Confidence will come it just takes time. Until then fuck stupid people
potato_rock_bandit 5 points 1y ago
Sorry to hear this! Those guys suck, and anyone around who observed but did not intervene also sucks. You could walk around wearing only four Post-It notes for clothing and these guys would still suck and be behaving inappropriately. Sounds like they saw you as a vulnerable, weak object in the world for them to entertain themselves with

Bear in mind that while most folks are generally safe, there are people and situations to be aware of for your own safety. There are folks who commit opportunistic harassment and crimes, in my experience they tend to make that lcoud and clear with their behaviour. I'd put these losers in that.category. There's something wrong with them that makes them think this behaviour is appropriate., and given the chance they will take it as far as they think they can get away with.

The other concept for strangers I've developed since I started using a white cane are ones who present a facade of being helpful and harmless while they build up trust to get you under their control. They kind of insert themselves into your life for their own purposes which may or may not aling with yours. Of this group, not all of them are automatically Ted Bundy in scale, but you are better off being aware some folks are not how they present themselves to be. Instoncts and good habits will help you there. Be aware of being guided by ground cover, towards a car, etc if you can. Keep your phone handy and learn / pracice how to call 911 or 999 quickly and discreetly. You will never liekly have to do this, I never have myself, but this is really a good pratice.
NovemberGoat 3 points 1y ago
I usually robot my way through situations that have me on edge like that. Focusing on the logistics of how to get myself away from a threat goes some way to filling up my brain with stuff to work on, rather than the immediate panic. As a male, things like this have definitely knocked my confidence when they've been bad enough. I can't even begin to fathom how much worse it is for a woman.

Reading some of the comments has got me thinking about taking a self-defence class. I'm incredibly lucky not to have gotten in a fight or been attacked thus far, but the thought is more about arresting some of my autonomy back from perceived risk.
Snoo_85465 2 points 1y ago
Thanks for empathizing. Honestly it means a lot to me as a vision impaired woman who uses a cane that you tried to imagine how much it sucks. It does suck sometimes. Men try to “test” if I am really blind, sometimes putting me in physical danger in the process. Very depressing
NovemberGoat 1 points 1y ago
You're more than welcome. As with many things, the blind community seems to have a more concentrated issue when it comes to considering and listening to women's safety concerns/needs. Hearing and reading different stories over the years very quickly highlighted some of the wildly different realities a lot of blind women live compared to my own when it comes to interacting with the general public.

A few years back, I was playing at a venue I'd done once or twice before. A group of guys saw me setting up my gear, and came to speak to me after soundcheck. To some people, I look androgynous enough that I semi-regularly get mistaken for a woman. Usually, it's harmless, if not a little embarrassing. This time, they wouldn't let go of the idea that I was a woman. They thought it perfectly fine to joke about taking me back to an afterparty where they would experiment and see what would happen if they fed a blind girl drugs, among many other creepy behaviours. That one experience made me feel sick and scared enough that I never went there again. The thought of potentially living some version of that every day makes me feel like I would never leave the house.
vwlsmssng 3 points 1y ago
You flaired your post as "Advice UK". contact the UK Police by dialling 101 or online. https://www.gov.uk/contact-police. Report harassment and antisocial behaviour. If you felt threatened tell them that. Hopefully the police will take a walk around your park and talk to anyone matching your description (how they sound) and find out if anyone saw anything.

For more help try the RNIB helpline https://www.rnib.org.uk/rnib-helpline

Also try your local vision loss society by searching here https://www.sightlinedirectory.org.uk/ and they may be able to offer help with gaining back your confidence and independence.
Dry_Director_5320 3 points 1y ago
I come from a pretty sketchy area and I’ve found just walking like you’re on your way to murder someone typically keeps people from saying anything. Failing that, having a knife on you is always good. Usually just flashing a blade is more than enough to make even the more annoying people switch off. Don’t talk to them, don’t engage. Just keep walking and make it clear you aren’t a helpless lamb
Havatra 11 points 1y ago
A knife is a very bad idea, especially if you have reduced sight or are blind. That is just a sign of willingness to escalate to physical violence, and can be extremely dangerous. A knife is not something you bring for self defense. If anything, it's pepper spray.
potato_rock_bandit 5 points 1y ago
If you are a lamb amongst other lambs, with the occasional wolf lurking about, I'd agree. But this scenario sounds more like a shark tank, where escalating to physical violence is somewhat assumed. In some situations, showing that you have some shark's teeth too is a good strategy for camouflage.
cuntasauruswithacane [OP] 3 points 1y ago
It's hard to say. I'm legally blind and the most I'll spot is their figure/shadow on a *good day*. I don't know if they're holding a knife or a gun. I can't tell if it's more than one person. It's terrifying and quite frankly this incident has made me very hesitant to leave my house. It makes me sick to my stomach. I can swing a punch - but I'm visually impaired. I'm alone. It could be 1 or it could be 5 I wouldn't know. I'm not sure violence would be in my favour.
Havatra 1 points 1y ago
Hence why I believe pepper spray will help you out more than a knife. Even if you were to stab someone, they don't necessarily get incapacitated, and they are also likely to fight harder (adrenaline). Pepper spray is less escalating and more incapacitating, enough so for you to shout for help, which is your best chance anyways if they are out for blood.
Ancient_Ad_5809 3 points 1y ago
I disagree on the knife part, I'm from southern US and while alot of people here carry handguns, I've always just carried a pocket knife. Not even just for self defense, you never know when you'll need it. It's just part of my edc. Obviously you're not going to just pull it out willy nilly, but there's nothing wrong with having a pocket knife on you.
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Ancient_Ad_5809 2 points 1y ago
You're absolutely right, obviously with every tool you need to know how to use it, especially something dangerous. Sometimes I forget not everyone grew up on a farm haha.
TrailMomKat 10 points 1y ago
I worked EMS 20 years ago. The loser of a knife fight dies in the street. The winner dies in the ambulance.

I can only imagine trying it blind would be more catastrophic.
Dry_Director_5320 1 points 1y ago
I’m not saying to USE it. I’m saying that having it as a threat is usually enough to deter people. I’ve carried a knife for over 10 years and never had someone push the issue once I’ve pulled it out. People generally don’t want to be stabbed over being annoying. This doesn’t apply in an attack situation, but in a situation like this where it’s mostly heckling? It usually works
TrailMomKat 2 points 1y ago
I've been on 2 different scenes in Durham where some kid pulled a knife and got shot dead in the street. Been on the scene of several knife fights where both kids wound up dead. I get what your saying but it doesn't negate the shit I saw working EMS.
Dry_Director_5320 1 points 1y ago
Oh of course it doesn’t negate that. Don’t mean for it to sound that way. I’m just sharing what I’ve done as someone who lived most of my young adult life in very dangerous areas (gang-controlled streets, heroin capital of the US, 2nd hugest human trafficking state in the country, lots of violent crime, etc). Is it a great solution? Nooo. But it’s what I do, and it’s worked for me.
lushlife_ 4 points 1y ago
You can find out more about knife for protection over at r/martialarts but in brief the EMS guy below is right: the loser does in the street while the winner …dies in the ambulance.
DrillInstructorJan 2 points 1y ago
The first thing I would say is don't assume it was all about you. Unless something specific is said in that situation I would assume it was probably some people doing their own weird thing and not take it too seriously. You may never know but really there's no future in worrying over a million things we can't control which might not even have been anything to do with us. Obviously if there was really no doubt then that's another thing but I guess what I'm saying is don't convince yourself of that. It's happened to me loads of times and then someone I know has said oh it wasn't anything to do with me they were playing with a dog or whatever.

Enjoy your low cut top. I'm a musician so fashionable dress for me is black black and more black but I have been known to wear some stuff that is so daring I don't want to take off my black velvet jacket!
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