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What web browsers and mail programs do you use -- full dark mode a plus (self.Blind)
submitted by potato_rock_bandit
Today I reached my limit with putting up with Safari and the default Mac OS mail client on my Mac mini. The dark mode settings get overridden by the display / style settings of the originating web site. I don't know how to say it technically, but my example is Old Navy. All the email I get from them is their bright white background from their template. When I go to their web p\[age, again there's loads of white glaring at me. I hate it.
Some of the browsers being bandied about are Vivaldi, Brave,, and Firefox. No idea what mail programs to consider, but I'd love one that forces dark mode onto messages. The sighted are so worried about the aesthetics of their pages, they don't care about user experience. :P
Some of the browsers being bandied about are Vivaldi, Brave,, and Firefox. No idea what mail programs to consider, but I'd love one that forces dark mode onto messages. The sighted are so worried about the aesthetics of their pages, they don't care about user experience. :P
LaCreaturaCruel 4 points 1y ago
You could try using an extension called Dark Reader for Firefox and Chrome, it gives pretty much every site a dark mode, some with better results than others, and its customizable.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 2 points 1y ago
This is ringing some bells, I seem to recall it was a game-changer on my Windows machine. I reckon I've plumbed the depths of Safari's capabilities in terms of displaying content comfortably, I don't find it that bgreat. ty, hope you're having a great day
MostlyBlindGamer 2 points 1y ago
Dark Reader for Safari is available on the Mac App Store, but it's a paid app. I think it's worth the price, because Safari is the most VoiceOver optimized browser and Dark Reader makes any browser great for low vision use.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Fantastic, tysm. That was my take on Safari too, it makes sense to me to work with it as much az possible.
Fridux 3 points 1y ago
Dark mode is just a theme that makes all UI elements dark, it is not designed with the visually impaired in mind. What you want is the color inversion accessibility setting that you can enable in System Preferences -> Accessibility -> Display which, in order to make everything dark, requires disabling dark mode completely because, as the name implies, it inverts all the colors except in images and videos, unless you enable classic color invert, which inverts everything. There's also a shortcut that you can enable in System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> Accessibility -> Invert Colors to toggle the feature on or off.
WebKit, the engine that runs in Safari and Mail, does actually support a CSS extension that websites can take advantage of to implement a dark mode theme, so it's not a problem with the browser or E-mail client.
WebKit, the engine that runs in Safari and Mail, does actually support a CSS extension that websites can take advantage of to implement a dark mode theme, so it's not a problem with the browser or E-mail client.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 1 points 1y ago
ty, I've been fiddling with the different accessibility settings for vision over the past six months and it was very hit and miss for me. I agree wholeheartedly that when websites give dark mode as an option, Safari is groovy :)
r_1235 2 points 1y ago
Google has a high contrast addon for chrome, and the previously mentioned dark mode addon is also very nice.
I avoid using high contrast because I don't want it inverting my wallpaper and some other graphical content. Also, keeping the system in dark mode is just preferable since it works where it can, and leavs things as they are when it doesn't work. I don't want high contrast messing things, specially with graphical content. It's supposed to not mess with videos and images, but, it does mess up things sometimes.
In a pinch where dark mode fails, I can quickly use the color filtors shortcut on windows, windows ctrl c to switch to a high contrast theme, and get back to normal color the same way. This keyboard shortcut has no lag, almost instant switching, but it will also invert images and videos.
Edit: Also just realized, OP is talking about MacOS, I was talking about Windows. Sorry!
I avoid using high contrast because I don't want it inverting my wallpaper and some other graphical content. Also, keeping the system in dark mode is just preferable since it works where it can, and leavs things as they are when it doesn't work. I don't want high contrast messing things, specially with graphical content. It's supposed to not mess with videos and images, but, it does mess up things sometimes.
In a pinch where dark mode fails, I can quickly use the color filtors shortcut on windows, windows ctrl c to switch to a high contrast theme, and get back to normal color the same way. This keyboard shortcut has no lag, almost instant switching, but it will also invert images and videos.
Edit: Also just realized, OP is talking about MacOS, I was talking about Windows. Sorry!
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 2 points 1y ago
thanks though! I remember high contrast settings in Windows cutting out the bottom part of all videos, or at least it started to after one of the updates and I couldn't figure out how to get it to stop.. I wound up contacting Microsoft's live help on the Be My Eyes app, it was fantastic and I wish Apple would do the same. The tect was able to remote log into my system ancd spent half an hour fixing it for me while I watche Pewds. \^\_\^
r_1235 2 points 1y ago
Yup, Microsoft's disability answer desk is amazing! It has saved my laptop from countless visits to the service centers.
Also, 1 question: what is/are Pewds? Some TV show?
Also, 1 question: what is/are Pewds? Some TV show?
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 1 points 1y ago
He's a content creator on You Tube, PewDiePie.
EffectiveYak0 2 points 1y ago
In chrome I use the builtin dark mode forced setting. It can bet set by going to chrome://flags in the browser and searching for dark mode. It's a bit buggy at times, and so I also use dark reader with firefox. I also use toggle screen inversion which is bound to a quick keyboard shortcut. Finally, I bind voiceover to a key to turn on and off for when I need it. You can bind a key to move voiceover to where your mouse is pointing too.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 1 points 1y ago
ty it sounds like I will really benefit from learning the keyboard shortcuts for accessibility features, my VoiceOver game is weak right now, that's for certain.
DHamlinMusic 1 points 1y ago
Outlook and Edge on Pc and Mobile lol.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I've been trying to get Brave going, but for some reason it's not letting me import my settings from Safari. This is so frustrating.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Also, do you have physical keyboard customisation to keep track of all the keyboard shortcuts? Like where do you place your bump dots if your keyboard is nondescript and only has raised markings for the f, j, and number pad 5 keys?
[deleted] 2 points 1y ago
You can put dots on it. The ideal is to memorize your keyboard well. I have dots on tab and 4 7 and 0 on the number row for when I get lazy. This one use to be an old mac keyboard so f5 because that use to be the old way to turn on voice over and f12. Also enter. But I honestly don’t need them.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 1 points 1y ago
thanks :). I do all right with a keyboard, excep I never had to use the function keys on a regular basis. When I bought this keyboard, I didn't realise how much of a drawback having all the function keys be evenly spaced apart is if you can't read the text on them. On the old school keyboards I'm used to, Frex normally F5 is at the start of the second set of four F keys, but this one has them all in a single, evenly spaced row directly above the number keys. ahh, the joys of adapting to visual impairment during covid.
[deleted] 2 points 1y ago
Sounds fun. Have you considred getting training for assistive tech?
You’d be surprised how much you do use function keys though.
You’d be surprised how much you do use function keys though.
potato_rock_bandit [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Booking another session with the tech consultant at CNIB is on my list of top five priorities. \^\_\^
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