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Low-vision moving out of USA advice? :) (self.Blind)
submitted by VI_Shepherd
Apologies, admins, if this is totally not the place for this! I understand if you remove it! :)

I'm low-vision, I've got a decent paying job, and I want to move from the US to the UK.
I've tried looking up what I need to do, but maybe someone knows something really important I'm not understanding, or just don't know.
Here's what I know so far:
• I will be double taxed until I renounce my US citizenship
• Renouncing my US citizenship will cost me over $300,000...(I think...)
• The US government will find any reason to tax anyone and everyone, and you're screwed when it comes to completely leaving the US if you don't make over $200k a year...
vwlsmssng 5 points 1y ago
Try asking about the tax situation at r/ukpersonalfinance

I quick search suggests that you need make a US tax return while you are a US citizen but that doesn't mean you will pay any US taxes on top of the UK taxes.

As u/parkleswife points out there are rules like FATCA

> Many Americans living abroad qualify for special tax benefits, such as the foreign earned income exclusion and foreign tax credit, but they can only get them by filing a U.S. return. For further details, see Publication 54, Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad

The search "us citizen working in uk taxes" brought up several other links of relevance.

You may find this Joint FATCA FAQ useful: https://uk.usembassy.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/Joint-FATCA-FAQ.pdf

> **Question 9:** What is the fee for Loss of Nationality? Can the fee be waived?

> **Answer:** The current U.S. consular services fee for “Administrative Processing of Request for Certificate of Loss of Nationality” is **$2,350**. This fee cannot be waived.
VI_Shepherd [OP] 2 points 1y ago
You're a friggin' angel!!!
I couldn't find any of this in my search because Google hates me, lol!!!

Some information I did find said that... There's an exit tax on ALL Americans that are considered long-term residents, and that it's something like 30% of what you would've made within the last 5 yaxible years, or something... Though, the more I tried digging, the less clear crap got.
I might've found out that it only applies to people who make $2M annually??? Lol
Not 100% on that one...
DrillInstructorJan 4 points 1y ago
I have dual citizenship with the UK and USA and as far as I know since 2003 you have not had to pay double income tax, that is tax on your normal job income. If you have other sources of taxation like investments then things get tricky. Either way you will definitely want to make sure you talk to someone qualified about it as you do not want to be in a situation where the IRS gets its hooks into you for non filing or something like that. If you do not have dual citizenship already your big problem will be getting a working visa depending on what your qualifications are and what sort of work you are looking to do.

Overall I think the UK is a bit of a friendlier place for dealing with sight stuff than the USA. I have lots of buddies in California and I love spending time there, but the old saying is that Uncle Sam doesn't give a damn and people are much more likely to step over someone who's lying twitching on the sidewalk there than here.

Don't give up your US citizenship! It's not really possible ever to get it back, or at least without crazy amounts of work.

If you get to London look me up!
VI_Shepherd [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Also... There's nothing left for me here, other than my remote job (I friggin' love it!!).
I've got 0 reason to ever come back here.
VI_Shepherd [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Oh, also, I'll be likely moving to Northern Wales :)
VI_Shepherd [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Well, I will be working remotely, so, I already have a job :)
I do believe I'll need a work visa though!
I was reading up, and it said that after 2008, US citizens would be taxed for foreign income, regardless of any protections...
I wonder if what I read is total BS or something...
SpicyBeefwater 3 points 1y ago
Definitely be careful about working remotely- it all depends on where your employer is based. If it's a UK employer or a multinational employer that employs you under a UK branch, and they're willing to pay the employer's end of your visa sponsorship fees, then great!

Unfortunately, if you are working under a US employer, that is not something they allow. You can't get a work visa for a non-uk employer, and doing so on a tourist visa (especially if you overstay) could cause legal problems.
DrillInstructorJan 1 points 1y ago
I will repeat what another user said here - you need to be really careful about this. Yes, you will absolutely need some sort of paperwork to be allowed to work in the UK. If you haven't got that absolutely clear yet, that's the first thing to do, long before you start thinking about what part of the country you want to be in. This is not something you can do by just arriving and winging it.
VI_Shepherd [OP] 1 points 1y ago
I don't understand what made some of you assume I thought it would be easy in the first place.
I have never thought it was as simple as just moving over there, hence why I asked this question... If I had thought it was that simple, I would've asked a really dumb question.
I've been trying to gather as much information as possible in order to correctly move over there.
r_1235 3 points 1y ago
That would be very strange. Usually, countries always try to avoid double taxation. Taxing it's citizens twice is not good economics. Ideally, the person should be taxed in the country where he earnt the income. Some countries might also work out a tax sharing agreement of sorts, where the collected tax gets split in to 2 countries. But, double taxation is very bad thing, highly doubt countries like US or UK would be doing this to their citizens.

If you try to send the money though, like remitance, that will be taxed most probably.
VI_Shepherd [OP] 3 points 1y ago
I've read up that the US is only one of two countries that will tax their citizens when they live abroad... And considering how power and money hungry most American right-wing politicians are, I'm inclined to believe it =/
Rethunker 1 points 1y ago
Get an accountant who knows the law and regulations thoroughly.

Reading as much as one wants on the law, on accounting practices, etc., is a fine start, but eventually becomes limiting.

(As an aside, a conversation with a lawyer specializing in Constitutional law can be very surprising, and illuminating, and sometimes downright funny. When someone spends decades doing highly technical work, and doing that work well, they tend to know things the layperson may never hear about.)

If you’re worried about paying thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in taxes, then the rate of a good accountant is a very easy expense to justify. You may have already spent the equivalent of a few hundred dollars of your time on this matter.

Smiley face emoticon would go here, if I used those.

Best of luck! You found something you want, and a professional can take care of the details so you can focus on what’s fun for you.
Aggressive-Yoghurt31 1 points 1y ago
I'm just an 18-year-old living on the other side of the world and have no idea about taxes, what taxes do you have to pay as a US citizen when you don't even live in the country?
VI_Shepherd [OP] 2 points 1y ago
Taxes based on your income, I guess? Even if it is income made abroad.
Aggressive-Yoghurt31 0 points 1y ago
That is understandable but if you no longer live in the US which means US doesn't pay anything for you it seems like really bullshit, since your new country provides everything why would the US need a portion of the money you make in another country
VI_Shepherd [OP] 2 points 1y ago
I have 0 idea... Lol!!
Though, we can thank Regan for all of this :P
As far as I understand, it's the concept of, "Well, we're losing out on the taxes you would've been paying, so, we're going to make a policy that makes all US citizens living abroad, pay US taxes!"
Though, I could be getting all the wrong information... Hence why I'm looking to get the right information, lol
GTbuddha 2 points 1y ago
Lots of the international banking stuff was done by Obama. There are ways to live outside of the US, keep your citizenship, and not pay US taxes. It is complicated but less so for us because we don't have drivers licenses. You have to move you bank account to an international account, you can't use a US address for anything including a US address for a credit card, and you have to be able to prove that you don't live in the US.
There may have been a few other rules that I have forgotten because I did all of this year's ago.
RunsOnBoltCoffee 0 points 1y ago
Why would you ever even consider renouncing your US citizenship? Don’t do that. Best of luck with the move.
VI_Shepherd [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Because you get double taxed if you don't...
parkleswife 5 points 1y ago
Look into the FATCA agreement with UK. My American born husband pays income tax to Canada where he is a permanent resident. He files with the IRS, too, but only pays taxes to the US above what he's paid to Canada.
VI_Shepherd [OP] 2 points 1y ago
I'll see what I can find :D
Thanks for the info! :)
parkleswife 2 points 1y ago
We had a lawyer friend point that out to us and it was a great relief!
RunsOnBoltCoffee 3 points 1y ago
Yeah, I get that, but giving up your citizenship is a huge deal. Don’t do it lightly.
VI_Shepherd [OP] 0 points 1y ago
Could you elaborate?
Because as far as I've read in to it all, I don't really care... Lol
I'm not looking to ever come back to the US, for any reason.
I'm obviously not going to be completely stateless or anything, before I do, if that's what you're getting at :)
DrillInstructorJan 1 points 1y ago
Not true, look at my other post.
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