Things in the US are getting pretty scary, and I’m afraid we’ve reached a point where simply voting hard enough won’t save us.
So many places have what I call “useful immigrant” laws, and I am just afraid that as a disabled women, there is no hope of being able to escape this country.
I know things aren’t always better somewhere else, but I really just want to know if it’s possible to make it out. I know schooling can you out temporarily, but my biggest fear is that even with more schooling in something more useful than my current degree, I wouldn’t be able find a job that would let me stay.
thatawkwardcosplayer16 points1y ago
I’d suggest talking to an embassy tbh? Or an immigration specialist in the country of your choice. Blind people are able to immigrate to most countries, assuming they have a degree of some kind that can do “useful” work (so certain types of degrees are excluded but I think that varies per country). I’m just a seasonal farm worker so I can travel fairly easily at least for Mexico on a seasonal work visa if that helps any?
brb_28 [OP]7 points1y ago
That does, actually!! I hadn’t considered reaching out to an embassy or immigration specialist. My degree is unfortunately uselessly broad as it is mainly liberal studies (history, anthro, English, and basic sciences and maths) so I’m not too confident in its ability to open any doors for me.
thatawkwardcosplayer5 points1y ago
Maybe anthro or English! Those could be used for teaching, as not all countries require a teaching degree for tutoring. Though you’d have to check if your degree is qualifying for keeping the credits. (Like how Indian doctors have to re earn their doctorate in the US!)
brb_28 [OP]5 points1y ago
My sister taught English and tutored a bit in Prague. She has an actual teaching degree (and related masters), but still had to take a TEFL course. Hearing her horror stories has made me petrified of that route. She is also fully able-bodied, but has transitioned more into the tech field now because she got so burnt out from teaching.
I wish I could say I speak another language because I think it’d be cool to work for like a company that manages tours and such. But sadly despite my 915 Duolingo streak in German, I can probably only speak to a two year old.
rumster1 points1y ago
degree or useful work background.
lacitar9 points1y ago
I'm finally getting my dual citizenship to Spain.
brb_28 [OP]5 points1y ago
That’s great!! I hope you have many siestas (not sure if they really actually do that or if businesses just close for a few hours), and I hope the summers aren’t too hot!
darkness_is_great6 points1y ago
Businesses actually do close for a couple of hours for siesta. Whether you take naps is entirely up to you. It's a way to have a long lunch, see relatives, etc.
brb_28 [OP]3 points1y ago
That sounds so lovely! It definitely seems like their work-life balance is way way better!
darkness_is_great2 points1y ago
In France, it's legally mandated that companies have a cafeteria or kitchen. So workers can eat lunch.
nadmaximus5 points1y ago
Get there for school. It can lead to something long term or permanent. If nothing else, if your life situation is open to finding a spouse in the future then, if you reach that point there... You can live and work etc. I am not suggesting anything cynical here like marriage hunting... It is just a fact that this is one of the paths available. School can lead to professional contacts as well. And you can learn if life is truly better. Good luck!
Rethunker5 points1y ago
It’d be nice to have you stay in the U.S. There’s work to be done here. But then there’s work to be done everywhere.
Even if people present you with statistics, the best that’ll do is give you a sense of what other countries may be like. Visiting a country as a tourist can be very different from living there for the rest of your life, naturally. If you have the means and the time to visit another country, that’s one way to test the waters a bit.
If you’d like to stick with a country where some flavor of English is the primary language, or one of the primary languages, then the obvious choices are the Commonwealth countries.
If you speak a second or third language, then that may open more doors for you.
If you work for a company that has overseas offices, you might get an overseas placement. Without knowing your education or profession I wouldn’t guess more.
A simpler expedient could be to move somewhere in the U.S. where you feel safer than you do now. Let assume that would mean a change of job, and possibly a change in career.
brb_28 [OP]8 points1y ago
Sadly I just don’t have faith that the country can recover from how far we have fallen. I know there is work to be done, but how can we solve anything with such a fractured country. Our representatives don’t represent us anymore and haven’t for some time.
Unfortunately no matter how much I wish to leave, I am a poor essential worker. I have a college degree, but it’s not useful. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to leave, and I think that’s what hurts the most
Rethunker7 points1y ago
I don't mean to sound unnecessarily chipper, but if you're truly stuck here, best to make what you can of it.
Though any one person will have a limited impact, I'm hoping I'll help things get better in my particular way by building a company that behaves ethically, hiring people whose work and personal goals align, and working always toward improving accessibility and equity. It's what I can do, so it's what I'm doing.
Do you have someone to talk to in person about your worries? Or is this not even a subject you can talk about with people local to you?
brb_28 [OP]3 points1y ago
I don’t really have any roots here. My parents are here, my twin sister is abroad, my friends live in different states. So maybe that’s part of why I want to leave.
My quality of life is pretty poor because I don’t have access to many things that I enjoy. I just go to work at an awful low wage job, and I go home. The transit in my area is pretty poor, so I can’t even do any of the hobbies I enjoy.
None of these things would get better with moving obviously, but at least I might have more freedom of movement since public transit is generally better (but I know that’s also area dependent too). So I have a very little to lose and more to gain if I left. But I genuinely don’t think it’s possible to leave because I’m not skilled or wealthy, and I think that hurts the most. Like there’s a lyric in Tracy Chapman’s song “Fast Car”: “we leave tonight or live and die this way.” and I just feel like if I can’t get out of here, I’ll die here before ever getting a chance to live. I’m not in a dangerous situation or anything like that, but I would definitely say that I am just surviving not thriving.
Rethunker3 points1y ago
Maybe we can work on this a little bit at a time. A big change will be hard, but it's best to assume a change is doable.
Cities with good public transportation tend to be expensive, BUT we may identify some reasonable alternative based on your interests. For example, Boston is hyper-expensive, as is New England as a whole, but legally blind folks ride Boston's mass transit system for free.
A few things to consider:
* what do you like to do best? * what do you believe you're best at? * what places seem most appealing to you?
If you'd like to continue via private message, please let me know. We can keep it all anonymous--no worries.
6-20PM3 points1y ago
You know if you are in one of the religious nutcase states, you can start by moving to another state within the USA?
Achro_Matt3 points1y ago
It might need some persistence and patience, but I am sure, your plan is doable. Just be aware that the grass is not all that much greener on the other side, unfortunately.
You could look at universities in Europe. some have master's programs taught in English, so you could "ease in" your language skills. I am not sure, how it is with scholarships for living costs, but if you find a good program in e.g. Germany, you could reach out to them and see, what they have.
All the best and good luck to you!
derangespoo3 points1y ago
University in Germany is free, and I think you can work part time while studying. Since you already have a bachelor's , maybe you could go for a master's degree in Germany? You could work part time and learn the language while studying, and then eventually transition to a full time job.
Another option is working at international schools. They are always looking for teachers. Look up whatever country , look for international schools in said country/countries and browse through them to see if any of them are hiring. Usually they only require you to have a bachelor's degree . I'd say look in Central/ Eastern Europe, Asia, South America, the Carribean or Africa. In western countries they tend to want teachers with experience but maybe you can still find something. East Asia would probably have the best pay.
brb_28 [OP]1 points1y ago
Going back to Germany would be lovely honestly! I did know about how affordable universities are over there, and I almost went over ten years ago, but overbearing family talked me out of it. So I just went to school in my state.
My biggest fear would be learning the language well enough to be able to study. I have a 916 day Duolingo streak in German, but I honestly don’t think I could pass the A2-B1 tests, and I don’t have a speaking partner so my reading is way way stronger than my speaking. I do remember hearing about ten years ago, that German chancellor/minister/chair (not sure what term they use for that position) of education wanted a lot of masters level programs at university to be taught in English by 2020, but I am not sure how that progressed. I am also not sure how strict universities are about what you’ll had to have taken in undergrad to apply for certain programs, and because my degree is so uselessly broad and non-specific, I fear it wouldn’t be taken seriously.
derangespoo2 points1y ago
If you think your bachelor's degree is useless , then do a second one in Germany. They have a lot of English degree programs for free, you just need to look them up. Each school and course have different requirements so you would need to look into that too. I'm sure you can find something for post grad, they care more about your degree than the particular courses you took in your university. Even if you think your degree is shit , there's no harm in asking the universities or applying for something.
If you are worried about language , you can start from 0 and go to language school there. Everyone would be on the same boat as you in language school. It's also the easiest way to make friends and get to know the country.
The US passport is quite powerful , so you wouldn't have any trouble getting a long term visa once you decide what you plan to do in the new country.
brb_28 [OP]1 points1y ago
Thanks!
GTbuddha2 points1y ago
Feel free to message me. I escaped.
kramwam2 points1y ago
Greetings from Europe. It is definitely easier to come from the US here than the other way around. There is a high chance you will need a job or a wife/husband or a lot of money, but I would reach out to your country of choice. But if you can stay 5-10 years around and learn the local language there is a high chance you will get a citizenship.
Also don't believe the grass is greener in other countries. Some things are better and others are worse, it really depends what you are looking for. Public transport is in general better than in the US and people are more accepting and less career oriented. But on the other hand most non-Eurozone countries have an inflation almost out of control at the moment, the energy crisis is just around the corner and there is also a war going on.
Do you have any particular country in your mind?
brb_28 [OP]2 points1y ago
Oh, I definitely know the world is going through it right now, and I definitely don’t view things through rose colored glasses. I know there will be challenges in any place.
I would say, I would definitely lean toward a Eurozone country/UK/Australia/NZ.
If I had to pick purely based on like aesthetics, I would love to live in the Netherlands because it is my dream to be ride around on a bicycle in a city and not feel like cars are actively trying to run you off the road.
Germany/Austria/some parts of Switzerland (even though I know their German is a bit different) could be an option as I do have some experience with the German language, but I don’t know my level, and I highly doubt it’s in the B1-B2 range needed for most visas/jobs/schools.
Outside of those, I’ve been to the UK and loved all of the transit, but I know it’s really hard to get a job there as a non-Brit because of the protections they have in place, and I think they require a masters degree level certification for most jobs.
kramwam1 points1y ago
When it comes to cycling I think Copenhagen is even better than the cities of the Netherlands. And Danish people can also speak English super well and are fairly accepting towards immigrants.
Luxembourg is also welcoming to foreigners, but being a tiny country the opportunities are limited and French is highly recommended.
brb_28 [OP]1 points1y ago
I did hear Copenhagen has some great cycling infrastructure too! I do know the people in the Netherlands speak remarkably great English, but I would definitely go in eager to learn Dutch, although I love hearing stories from expats where they say things like “yeah, now when I say something in Dutch, they’ve stopped speaking English back to me, so I think that means I’m progressing”
Luxembourg fascinates me! I love tiny countries that speak many many languages! I think I remember watching something that mentioned French is the most common language for communication, but Luxembourgish, German, English, and Portuguese are also heavily used and spoken by people!
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chitarralove2 points1y ago
This is something I’ve also wondered. Things really are getting to that point of down right horrifying. I considered something like a spousal visa route.
brb_28 [OP]2 points1y ago
That seems to be how most people get out, but sadly that is of no help to those of us who are #foreveralone lol
Leaving would feel like quitting on the US, but I really can’t see how we come back from this. We can’t trust our highest court to not be swayed by politics, and the country is extremely fractured. The minority are ruling the majority. It just feels hopeless
chitarralove3 points1y ago
See I don’t see it as giving up. After all that has happened I feel as though they gave up on us. The fact that we’re seriously considering this and exploring options says so much. It’s scary you know?
brb_28 [OP]2 points1y ago
It truly does feel like they have given up on us and most certainly they have failed us.
retrolental_morose2 points1y ago
>"The minority are ruling the majority"
isn't this, y'know, kinda what rule means?
NinjaTrainingWheels1 points1y ago
I know this thread is kinda old, but I'm just reading it. I would absolutely love to move to Canada. I've been to every major US city that is considered pretty good to live in for blind and visually impaired people but none of them seem as good as Toronto. Maybe I'm overly optimistic. I would just like to live in a place that was easy to get around and full of friendly people. My current city leaves me feeling unsafe every time I go outside.
Regular_Principle_660 points1y ago
guys, the US is TOTALLY so much worse than african and asian third world countries, not to mention eastern european countries shitting themselves in war and poverty.
for real, you americans need a fucking reality check. people have way bigger problems than not being able to abort children.
brb_28 [OP]6 points1y ago
Just because “things could be worse” doesn’t mean you get to minimize others’ emotions and pain, nor does it make their emotions or pain invalid.
We have very serious and real problems in this country and telling people that they need a “fucking reality check” is grossly insensitive. This goes well beyond the right to safe and legal abortions. I don’t recall ever saying that America is the worst place on this earth, nor did I say that other countries were a problem-free utopia.
In the US, we continue to have the most well-armed mass murderers in the world. How can you tell parents that they need a “fucking reality check” when they fear their children will be shot dead for having the bravery to go to school that day?
Our infrastructure is crumbling at an alarming rate. Many parts of this country can’t access safe drinking water from their taps.
An astonishing number of Americans live in “food deserts,” that is to say, they do not have access to affordable, fresh food, or even a grocery store. This country has dreadful transit in the majority of the country, so many poor people who can’t drive or don’t have a car, are forced to travel for hours either walking, or taking multiple buses (buses that maybe run once an hour if you’re lucky, so if you miss your connection, you’ll be waiting a long time) to try to get to a grocery store.
Those same transit struggles also hinder access to doctors and medical care. Assuming you can even afford the copay and treatment you need, it can take hours to not only make it to the doctor’s office or clinic, but also it can take even longer to find a place that accepts your insurance if you’re lucky enough to have it. A quick google search will get you to the many horror stories of patients in severe distress traveling for hours trying to find a hospital that takes their insurance only to have the doctor that performs their surgery or treatment to be out of network, and then they are saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical debt.
Most of the country doesn’t have any laws regarding rent control or rent stabilization, and an alarming number of our already obscenely low housing supply is owned by mega corporations who charge extortionate rates for rent because they know people have nowhere else to go and will be forced to pay it. Affordable housing vouchers exist, but it can take over twenty years to get approved for one as the waitlists are extremely long. And if you’re fortunate enough to get approved for one, good luck trying to get a landlord or leasing office to accept it. Our Euclidean zoning laws prevent even medium-density housing and apartments from being built, so what you end up with are only high-rise luxury units being built because the developers need to get the most money they can from the little sliver of land they were actually allowed to build on. And in some states they’re making it illegal to have roommates you are not related to. Not to mention many places have made homelessness a literal crime, and many landlords won’t rent to someone with a record.
Our voting rights and polling places are constantly under threat.
We have the largest incarceration rates of the developed world, many of our poorest communities are called “school-to-prison pipelines” and a large percentage of incarcerated inmates haven’t even been charged with a crime. And police brutality is a major issue.
We don’t have any legally protected vacation time, not that many of us could afford to take time off. We don’t have legally protected parental leave. Childcare costs and daycare costs are sickeningly expensive to the point where even two working parents with decent jobs can barely afford it.
There is a quote, “America is third world country with a Gucci belt” I don’t know if I’d say we’ve fallen that far, but It does have a majority of the world fooled into thinking it’s this magical land of opportunity, but that hasn’t been the case for a long time.
So, in conclusion, is America the absolute worst country to be in? No, of course not, and I, nor is anyone here, saying that. But saying that we don’t have real problems here is an egregious error in judgement.
Drunvalo2 points1y ago
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Regular_Principle_660 points1y ago
keep voting for blatant racist assholes and non-sentient senile NPCs then
brb_28 [OP]4 points1y ago
I have never missed an election, midterm, or state election since I’ve been eligible to vote. Simply voting hard enough won’t save us. Not when our counties are gerrymandered and some counties only have one polling place.
Are we irreparably broken? Of course not, but assuming simply voting will solve everything is naive
Regular_Principle_660 points1y ago
it's not like it'd hurt to vote better
bradley221 points1y ago
Where do you live? As for having way bigger problems, tell that to the person who gets raped and then has to take care of a kid they can’t take care of, tell that to the person who now, because of all this religious idiocy, will be raped at 12 years old and have to raise a kid when they’re kid them selves, tell that to the person who lives on welfare checks because the American system is shit and then find themselves pregnant, and before you say it, no, I don’t live in the US, I live in the UK.
Regular_Principle_661 points1y ago
how is living on welfare checks a bad thing to the person? they're literally getting money for free
as for having way bigger problems, I wouldn't speak with a bri ' ish person on that. The entire country has been causing problems ever since it's inception.
bradley220 points1y ago
Could you look for programs in the country you want to go to so you can go to college? You could learn there for a year and then see what you think.
SiriuslyGranger-7 points1y ago
For now and probably forever, the US is still the best place for disabled people.
I don’t think getting out is the problem.
Terry_Pie6 points1y ago
Yeah, nah.
Firstly you've got the general socio-economic things that apply to anyone. Go to any western European country, Australia, or New Zealand and you'll have better working conditions and wages. You'll also have access to universal healthcare and better healthcare generally. The UK, western Europe, and parts of Asia are also much more liveable when you can't drive because their cities are designed around walking and public transport, while the US is designed around cars.
Then you've got the blind specific benefits. Consider what we get here in Australia: a non-means tested tax-free pension, free public transport, and the National Disability Insurance Scheme which covers disability-related costs such as support workers, cleaners, gardeners, canes and adaptive technology). As a concession card holder you also get access to even cheaper healthcare (if the medication you need is on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme it'll be about $4).
The UK, western Europe, Australia, and New Zealand all have their own anti-discrimination legislation that covers disability and requirement to make 'reasonable adjustments' and the like. Even if the efficacy of that legislation was not as great as the US version, noting the other benefits above I suspect one would still be better off.
The only thing you really lose is familial supports.
CloudyBeep2 points1y ago
In some ways, disability discrimination legislation in other countries is actually a bit stronger than the ADA.
ChChChangeling5 points1y ago
What about Willowbrook State School in New York, which JFK called a "snake pit"? An institution for the disabled where they say in their own filth?
What about the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center in Massachusetts where intellectually disabled people are forced to where shock bracelets so they can be electricuted to keep them in line, and years of legal battles from disabled activists have been unable to stop it?
What about the Ugly Laws from 1867 and 1974 that made it illegal for physically disabled people to be seen in public places like restaurants?
What about the disproportionate use of solitary confinement against disabled detainees in US immigrant internment camps that has been going on for years?
What exactly.makes this "the best place" for disabled people aside from nationalistic propaganda about how we're the "best country on Earth"?
Give me examples and data. Show me what we do better than other countries.
the_purple_goat2 points1y ago
Don't forget that eugenics-era laws still exist too. For example, my ex who worked in assisted living told me that downs syndrome or other disabled people were forcibly separated if they tried starting a relationship with one another. One could make the argument that, well, they're not mentally capable of having a relationship. To which I call bs. Also, even today, there are those advocating for sterilizing the disabled, starting as teenagers.
ChChChangeling2 points1y ago
My mom was in an "assisted living" facility. I stayed with them for the last weeks/months before we could get her out. It was horrible. I can talk about the neglect, abuse, and corruption in more detail but it was traumatic and remembering it isn't fun for me.
I support the hashtag #OurHomesNotNursingHomes
Some cases of married couples with I/DDs or other disabilities living in institutional housing not being allowed to cohabit have made it to local or national news.
And we still don't have marriage equal as disabled people, or poor disabled people, since marriage often means losing your benefits.
the_purple_goat2 points1y ago
Correct. I really want to find a wife, but i'm not going to do so because I would lose my medical (I think) and in addition to being blind I also wear cochlear implants. Those are EXPENSIVE. I would need to find a job making a hell of a lot of money to afford repairs and maintenance on those suckers.
I'm glad your mom escaped. Those places really are awful.
brb_28 [OP]1 points1y ago
I’d say Canada with its universal healthcare and generally a bit more compassion and empathy might be a little better (obviously I can’t speak from experience on that). I know they are having their own struggles up there though with it being easier for disabled people to access MAiD than it is for them to access affordable housing. But the affordable housing crisis is not a unique experience to Canada.
suitcaseismyhome4 points1y ago
I would never recommend canada, especially after the last two years.
The country is also very divided.
Health care was in crisis for decades and only got worse.
It's often difficult to navigate the larger cities.
Canada is facing dire consequences of recent decisions, and the disabled, sick, and elderly will suffer even more.
Look to western Europe for good quality of life, health care supports, and often excellent services for the visually impaired.
brb_28 [OP]1 points1y ago
I remember being in Lucerne in Switzerland like ten years ago and the tour guide said it was one of the most accessible cities for the blind and visually impaired! They had a little strip bricks in the sidewalks for cane users to stay a safe distance from the roads and they wouldn’t just be straight down the sidewalks either. Sometimes they would lead to a tram stop or sets of stairs. It was just so cool to see
suitcaseismyhome2 points1y ago
It is quite similar in Germany in the new stations in Berlin Braille on the hand rail, and on the ground you have tactile strips everywhere which is very useful.
I did along post once about how well laid out most of the museums are in Germany for the visually impaired for the visually impaired so that we can enjoy them as well
SiriuslyGranger-3 points1y ago
However the u.s. is years ahead on civil rights and ada guarantees.
brb_28 [OP]4 points1y ago
You might be right with the ADA protections, but considering our highest court seems to be on a mission to revoke rights from anyone who isn’t a cis white male, I don’t know how much longer we’ll be able to claim that we are a leader when it comes to civil rights
SiriuslyGranger-8 points1y ago
I think whatever country you move to it’s more disadvantageous. This is good living here.
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