What do you for self-protection? (visually impaired)(self.Blind)
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I was diagnosed about a year ago with Stargardt's, causing progressive vision loss to central, detailed vision (but not peripheral). Before my symptoms presented, my partner and I had talked extensively about the best way to keep our family protected, given the incidents of at-home gun accidents (I have 3 children under 6). Now, it seems even less likely that we will be purchasing a firearm, since I'm not even sure I would be able to train safely or be properly certified to fire one. However, we are moving to an area that is more rural, and I'm particularly worried about larger animals like coyotes. We are planning on building a fence for our yard, but this got me thinking about general self-protection. Would a taser be an alternate option? I'm not really interested in debating whether or not to own firearms, since that's not my priority anymore. We don't have anything specific now, I teach my kids that the best way to stay safe is to know our neighbors, know how to call and who specifically to ask for help, and other general safety information. I'm trying to think ahead for the future, and looking for information on alternatives to firearms. Thanks!
razzretina8 points1y ago
Truthfully I’ve yet to encounter anything needing self defense as a blind adult and I’ve lived in some really rough places. I don’t know much about keeping coyotes away but with people at least being aware of your surroundings, not going anywhere alone after dark, and walking tall with speed and purpose keeps most attackers away. Martial arts like jiu jitsu or judo are helpful too. There’s an older book called Safe Without Sight that might still have good advice too.
inviteonly [OP]3 points1y ago
I have always leaned in this camp - probably going to be ok just being aware. It's good to know that awareness is still possible even with limited sight. Thank you!
lacitar7 points1y ago
I am super curious about this as well. My dad wants to buy a gun. But he's started carrying a machete in my mom's car. But he can not see well enough to shoot or stab anything. Not even a Thanksgiving turkey!
inviteonly [OP]1 points1y ago
Yikes! Hope you can help him find something that works for both your comfort levels.
BeforeSides3 points1y ago
I can put all the nuance here I want so DM me if you’d like more context or info on any one point.
Your threat profiles here are very different. Humans won’t fight the same as opportunistic coyotes. There’s no one size fits all solution for protection against a completely unknown situation. Plan ahead for the things you’re concerned about and work from there. Honestly, for wild animals a bright flashlight and megaphone might be enough sights and sounds to scare them off. A shotgun with the first shot being birdshot, second being buckshot would be my next line for wild critters; less travel and penetration for birdshot rounds but would still give most animals pause. And if they don’t get the point, buckshot next. But that first round is a warning shot that, while still dangerous, minimizes your potential harm to nearby living beings. Just understand the munitions and practice shooting with them.
For humans, some grappling and a high lumen flashlight combined with a taser or pepper gel would work best. But, even more important is just conflict resolution skills and being able to navigate stressful situations with a cool head. And I think this is why training something like Brazilian jiu-jitsu or wrestling is good. You quickly learn how quickly physical confrontations can go south, and your willingness to just jump into a scrap like Rambo—despite having skills to assist you in said situations—goes way, way down because you learn the true nature of actually fighting someone and how quickly you can go from standing to unconscious. Learning how to actually handle yourself in a violent encounter makes most people way less cocky and eager to get into a confrontation. Have the skills and tools that’ll help, but if you need to use them then your first line of defense (your conflict resolution and de-escalation skills) have already failed and you’re in bad bad territory if you need to ever put hands on or deploy a self defense tool against another person. The flashlight in this case is a great middle ground. Having a flashlight with multiple modes of brightness is a great debuff against a sighted attacker in darkness or dimly lit spaces. Over 1,600 lumens causes enough pupil contractions and visual artifacts that it renders the other persons night vision useless and illicit, in a lot of cases, involuntary reactions to the bright light. This can buy you precious seconds to get the hell out of dodge or help level the playing field if it really did come down to it.
Also put some thought into some basic physical perimeter security as well such as working flood lights, an outdoor camera or two to cover the exterior, making sure to keep doors and windows locked, maintain shrubs around the house to not give anyone places to hide near the house, and a dog or two. You could go a few steps higher with things like reinforcing the nails in your door hinges, window jams, an actual home security system… but really it’s all about what situations you’re concerned about and what’s actually going to realistically help. What situations are you actually able to do something about, which are just boogeymen in your mind that are beyond your ability to prepare for, and what’s the biggest cost-to-benefit preparations you can do that don’t make your wife and kids feel like they’re living in a prepper bunker.
Source: live with my blind wife and daughter in a rough part of town and we had two attempted break ins while we were home. Also practice what I preach and train jiujitsu and carry a good flashlight wherever I go. All things I’ve done that have helped keep myself and my family safer. There’s no such thing as complete security, and chasing that myth will be tiresome, expensive, and in a way traumatizing to your loved ones to constantly live in that heightened state of alertness.
inviteonly [OP]1 points11m ago
Thank you so much for all this! I had never heard of the flashlights before this thread, definitely going to get a few. Also pepper gel, which neither me or my husband had heard of.
Yes, definitely suffering from "boogeyman" fears I think. We do a lot of the perimeter security things already, I just don't know what I don't know. Thanks so much for all the suggestions!
Sewn273 points1y ago
The statistics about being harmed with your own weapon are certainly not in your favor. I have lived very rurally. We had livestock and predators were a threat. The only time I needed a gun was when a rabid Fox came around my horses. I called the local post office and borrowed a shotgun from them to put it down. If you’re worried about intruders to your home, A safe room is probably your best bet. If you’re worried about coyotes etc. then I think research will prove that they’re much more afraid of you than you are of them. Livestock not with standing. When my children leave very young we did fire drills and I spoke to them extensively about stranger danger and where to go for help. If it will make you feel better I think a good course in self-defense is a good idea. It’s amazing but just grabbing a finger and bending it backwards will take care of most attackers.
inviteonly [OP]2 points1y ago
Yeah, that's why we don't have anything in our house currently. I never felt it was worth the risk of accident. Have never been too worried about intruders before, but something about having the kids around in a new area is making me much more aware of the fact I don't have any kind of home defense. I may be overreacting, but not being able to see isn't helping that feeling any. I appreciate all the suggestions!
Sewn272 points11m ago
As a parent, a grandparent and a teacher, I feel the best way to keep your children safe is to have an ongoing dialogue with them on how they can help keep themselves safe. It’s not easy with or without sight. However with an ongoing dialogue about safety your child is much more apt to ask you questions when they perceive a danger. Your job is to pay attention and answer those questions honestly and sometimes reluctantly. My granddaughter starts kindergarten this year and I know are happy pillow talk at bedtime will turn to peers, pressure, and the inevitable fears That come with it. The biggest gift we can give our children is our presents and our attention. I wish you great success.
SiriuslyGranger2 points11m ago
Blind people can own guns. I know of a number of them. Even one who makes guns, and works in the police department in the armory department. Use to be a blind cop. It’s totally doable. Uses guns on a regular may even conceal carry, and does many many gun shows and builds nice weapons.
I also know a few other blind people who hunt.
QuentinJamesP892 points11m ago
A home security system is one thing you can get to make you feel a little safer. We have one and it definitely helps with my peace of mind. I do own a firearm (I bought one when all the riots were going on in summer 2020, because we live on the outskirts of a city and were concerned), but I keep that put away and hope I would never need to use it. I carry pepper spray in my backpack when I'm out, and I have a knife in my nightstand drawer. I guess it sounds paranoid, but of course I hope never to use any of them and rarely think about it. I just think it's good to take precautions and I want my wife to feel safe as well.
PrincessDie1232 points1y ago
Not sure about coyotes maybe there’s some repellent and barriers of some sort for that? But ask for general protection white canes hurt like a mofo to be hit with grip the handle and start smacking knees and ankles, it doesn’t take much force to bruise the crap out of someone’s legs if they come up and grab you from behind, there’s a type of martial arts that uses a staff as a defense weapon and those sorts of techniques can be used with a white cane.
intellectualnerd852 points1y ago
Pistol, knife and fox labs pepper spray. Jujutsu is handy. You could train with a firearm however you’d need a good safe. I know a couple of no vision shooters. They train to shoot center mass of the sound
inviteonly [OP]1 points1y ago
Would that be at a regular gun range? I'm just curious, since I don't know of any adapted places near me. (And probably won't end up going this route, just interested)
intellectualnerd851 points1y ago
I’ve yet to hear of one. We aren’t that numerous. Forgot to mention retention holsters. They keep your firearm secure. Fitted hipsters that are meant for that type of firearm is important too. I just wanted you to be informed. I was at indoor range. I believe the other guys I know use outdoor ranges. Oh and there is skeet shooting. Shooting at clay pigeons that whistle through the air.
inviteonly [OP]1 points1y ago
Yeah, I was just reading your other posts! Thanks for all the info! There are so many aspects of life that you don't consider when losing your vision, and it's things like this that pop up when you least expect them to. I never thought I would consider owning a firearm (as I said I was very concerned about in home accident rates with young children around), and yet I am suddenly very concerned with self-protection and home defense now that we're moving to an area I'm not familiar with. It's very emotionally exhausting. Thank you so much for all the information, it's helping me feel like there are lots of options.
intellectualnerd852 points1y ago
Oh I can relate. My entire life people tried to prey on me because of size and disability. Most people are good even people who are down and out but if your desperate enough? Well people will do things they normally wouldn’t. So I make sure at the least I’ve got quality mace, But I am around mentally unstable people and drug users fairly regularly due to where I have to go.
VicBulbon1 points1y ago
Hey, I am interested about pistols as well. Do you know of any more info or resources, or where to train? I know it is entirely possible to be a responsible gun owner, but the public understandably freaks out at the idea. I got torn to shreds asking this question in the conceal carry sub, and not really to my surprise, have more understanding people in the liberal gun owner sub.
intellectualnerd853 points1y ago
Look up guide dogs and guns. The author is blind, a marksman, hunter and has multiple carry permits. He’s got a couple books out. Yeah I’ve found some in the gun community are the dumbest people in the world when it comes to low vision. What I’ve heard other blind shooters say is the gun in public is a someone is assaulting me jame the gun into them and squeeze the trigger option. Look up patriot in the dark. He is a blind shooter on YouTube with a ccw. He’s discusssed the shooting at key fobs method. Reviewed firearms and does the best disassemble videos.You will face discrimination. Screw them. You may have to shop around to find a friendly store and range. Don’t let others discourage you. We just have to be more responsible than your average gun owner. Blind gunner and I think blind gun guy also have video channels on YouTube .
VicBulbon1 points1y ago
Thanks for your thorough reply. I agree on pretty much everything. I wouldn't be getting a gun very soon, so would you suggest that I call up local ranges and ask them whether any instructors would be willing to accommodate a blind person for a day of shooting and getting familiar with fire arms? I live in Seattle, hopefully I'll find some gun people here to be as open minded as how left field this city is.
intellectualnerd853 points1y ago
I don’t know the extent of your vision so I’m just going to repeat what I was told. Call instructors and be candid about your vision. When people hear blind they think ray Charles and Stevie Wonder. For me I get asked can you at least see the target? Yes it’s my peripheral vision that’s gone. That’s gone over well for me. I’ll tell you what my first trip to a range was like. There i was freaked out over analyzing things because I’m around guns, listened to a 45 minute home invasion the day before. Shaky hands I struggled with the magazine so I inhaled, relaxed looking away I loaded it by touch. I was informed you need to look at the magazine it’s store policy that if we suspect a person has a vision issue to deny access to the range. Turned my head back explained I had a another disability affecting fine motor skills. Loaded magazine and shot. Some people will discriminate because the five rules of fire arm safety is basically religious dogma to a lot of people. You could say well in a physical altercation with the weapon pressed into the persons body does it really matter if I know what’s behind my mugger? They will say yes even though risk of accidentally killing or injuring a person from over penetration. Most pistol caliber ammo loses a lot of energy after hitting a person. Be prepared to articulate your vision,Have a regular vision person who would be willing to take a class with you or go to a range. Be ready to answer questions and handle no with grace. They can be to the left and have bias against low vision and blind people. Patriot in the dark had to go to five stores before he found a friendly store. If you opt to buy a gun your wife is going to need to know how to use it and access the safe. I use vaultek. It’s biometric so you can key to your fingerprints and hers. Kids will have to know guns aren’t toys. That safe will take a couple seconds to open and can misread your prints meaning it will reject your print. For me I keep my gun with in reach at all times. In all likelihood you and your family may never ever need it. You may though need it. I am telling you all this so you can be prepared if you go down this road. You may want to buy ammo online if your state allows that. Some states require curio and relic‘s license. Those run I think 300 for the first initial purchase. Doing that will square you way for three years. Look at the maintenance of the arms your looking at. Find out what your capable of doing. I hope if you do buy a gun at some point it becomes purely a pleasurable hobby.
Laser_Lens_42 points1y ago
I carry a canister of pepper gel with me, and I try to not go to new places alone, especially after dark. I prefer it to pepper spray because it has a longer range and isn't as liable to blow back in the wind. I also carry a safety whistle with me. Probably overkill, but as a blind woman, I'd rather be safe than sorry. I'd like to learn Judo, but I don't know of any instructors local to my area.
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For animals, there's bear spray. Don't use it on humans, otherwise you'll end up on the wrong end of the law.
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Tasers can help, but keep in mind that they only stun temporarily while firing. Once the electricity's off, they don't do much, and some people can work through the pain. You also have to get quite close to your attacker.
DrillInstructorJan3 points1y ago
I do judo. It is great fun, really lets me get my adrenaline out and is good weight bearing exercise which I would otherwise not do much of. There's also sometimes a social scene and if you lead kata you can get some almost tai chi style head space out of it, but that depends on the dojo you go to and what the sensei wants to do. I'd totally give it a go as it is totally doable and you can compete with everyone else with only small modifications to the rules.
However I have absolutely no illusions about my ability to defend myself from a really serious attack if we're not on a nice soft surface and using rules. Don't get me wrong, I would fight and it would be useful to have that training but I am still tiny and if some big guy decides he wants to carry me off, he probably can. This is not the movies and tiny people do not get to win just because they're so well trained.
So I'd say do judo for body confidence but if you're allowed to carry pepper spray, taser, pointy sticks or whatever else, do it.
inviteonly [OP]2 points1y ago
Thanks! I think this is unfortunately a reality for sighted women as well, and I appreciate your honesty.
Badassmotherfuckerer1 points1y ago
Honestly, forget about a taser. Based off of my research, the stun gun models that are the ones you need to "stab" on your attacker don't seem to do much in terms of incapacitating your attacker. They also don't seem great on animal attacks as they can cause an animal to "lock on" etc. Maybe that's not true, but I heard it once and it gives me pause, but ultimately, they don't seem to be powerful enough. And with the police style tasers that shoot at your attacker, I shy away from those because I'm not certain my accuracy would be ideal for a one shot is all you get type situation. My suggestion is to look into pepperspray and carry that everywhere you go. My research leads me to believe in the effectiveness of several brands. Fox Labs seems to be very reliable and effective, I've read that the one point four and five point three squared versions are exceptionally painful. Sabre Red is an old reliable line of sprays that seems to be very reliable and consistent. Other brands like Defense Technology Red Label, and a few others seem to be also highly recommended. Also POM is a company that makes very compact models you can easily carry in your pockey. Get the flip top models, not the twist open tops, they're too easy to open in your pocket and discharge. I would research brands and products to see if what you find matches up with my suggestions. Personally, I would get several sprays. Larger ones when you have larger pockets, such as jackets or big pocket shorts. 2 oz or larger size containers work for this. Smaller containers work well for slimmer pocket carry, such as the POM models. I would personally avoid the stream patterns of sprays, as you need to be more accuate. I would opt for cone shaped delivery sprays or fog modules, but look into which spray pattern you feel comfortable with.
inviteonly [OP]1 points1y ago
This was so informative, I totally forgot about pepper spray. Thank you!
potato_rock_bandit1 points1y ago
I would not be worried about wildlife predators beyond big cats, bears, and wolves. Good yard hygiene like keeping trash shut away, outdoor grilling areas clean and away from your home, and fallen fruit from trees and bushes are a must in bear country imo.
Deer, moose, elk, etc can do a lot of damage, but they are pretty easy to spot and make a lot of racket when they move. You'll find your remaining vision will still pick up on moving objects maybe more than you expect.
Don't know if you have snakes or fire ants in your area, it's good to be aware of those also. I don't know that I'd get a machete or a bullwhip or whatever other crazy weapons folks want to get for protection, but a nine iron is fairly discreet and packs a punch and was recommended in a self defense book I had back in the day.
I . . . have trust issues, and make the best case scenario assumption that anyone I run into is going to try to get me to join their multi-level marketing scheme or church, and worst case scenario assumption that they're going to try to add me to their wardrobe. So I do what most other folks in this subreddit do and keep my outings to daylight, business hours in very public areas.
inviteonly [OP]2 points1y ago
LOTS of snakes and fire ants, mostly black snakes and copperheads. It's actually the copperheads I mostly freak out about bc, you know, they camouflage so freakin well. And this house we are moving to had to clear some land and is next to a creek. Very pretty but I am kind of freaking out about all the little critters.
I am generally in the same idea about strangers. Not overly rude, but as I've gotten older and losing vision, I just don't engage with others like I used to.
JMMSpartan911 points1y ago
Buy a high lumen flashlight.
Will protect you from coyotes at night, they won't want to be near it.
Honestly if you are a full grown human odds are a coyote isn't going to even come near you. They are more scavengers and opportunity hunters. They will go after small dogs and children unattended but unless starving or rabid they won't even get near larger dogs.
I've been very close range with them several times (I have a zoology degree) and they always back away first or stay sitting at safe distance not approaching.
For general self defense: Martial arts tend to be the best. They make less than lethal air propelled hand guns if you want to train on them. They will incapacitate pretty damn well with kigurumikek being lethal.
inviteonly [OP]1 points1y ago
Yeeaaaahhhhh it's the "children" part I"m most worried about (I have 3 under the age of 6) I think I may be overreacting a bit about the coyotes, but I know they are active in our area. I hear and see them at my parents (about 20 minutes from my house), and we were at a friend's house, in a very busy and long-developed area, and she warned us coyotes had just had pups so she didn't want us going outside in case we frightened them. Scared the shit out of me, but good way of keeping ourselves safe. Definitely planning on building a fence, and we don't have any pets. Our backyard is about half wooded with a creek in the back, so I was initially super excited about letting the kids roam around. We will see as they get older. But thanks for the general info on them!
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